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Fauxmyope2 · 26-30, F
BetweenKittensandRiots · 36-40, MVIP
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Seriously when I meet girls who don't identify as feminist I'm like but why? And every time they answer about the supposed ills feminism has unleashed on the world and list things like OH I WANT to be traditionally feminine and a housewife I don't WANT a 9-5 job and those nasty feminist are altering the world so that I can't do that and I have to present as more masculine and There's no part of feminism that is anti femininity. That shit has NO place in feminism.
Real feminist would be more pissed off that Society treasures the masculine traits over the feminine ones and express the damn cultural imbalance and point out if Society weren't so fucking masculine women would have more freedom to express their feminine selves.
I don't know why some girls don't identify as feminist. I think they've got ideas about feminism like they think it's some kind of monolith where Everyone agrees on a specific ideology but it's really not. There are all kinds of internal disputes and a rich history of diverse views.
Yes I am a feminist. Damn it.
Seriously when I meet girls who don't identify as feminist I'm like but why? And every time they answer about the supposed ills feminism has unleashed on the world and list things like OH I WANT to be traditionally feminine and a housewife I don't WANT a 9-5 job and those nasty feminist are altering the world so that I can't do that and I have to present as more masculine and There's no part of feminism that is anti femininity. That shit has NO place in feminism.
Real feminist would be more pissed off that Society treasures the masculine traits over the feminine ones and express the damn cultural imbalance and point out if Society weren't so fucking masculine women would have more freedom to express their feminine selves.
I don't know why some girls don't identify as feminist. I think they've got ideas about feminism like they think it's some kind of monolith where Everyone agrees on a specific ideology but it's really not. There are all kinds of internal disputes and a rich history of diverse views.
Yes I am a feminist. Damn it.
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PlumBerries · 31-35, F
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PlumBerries · 31-35, F
[c=#7700B2]look it up, it isn't hard to find. im not going to argue over it, because well im really tired of going over this topic but if you want to know about it look it up [/c]
Fauxmyope2 · 26-30, F
@PlumBerries Why would I look anywhere else other than the Treasury Department’s stats?
PlumBerries · 31-35, F
NoFuxGiven · 22-25, F
Yes, I'm a feminist because I believe that men, women, and everyone in between all have an inherent right to equitable participation in society, and because I know that we are, still, a long way off from achieving that goal. And no, I don't hate men. What a silly assumption.
bijouxbroussard · F
BetweenKittensandRiots · 36-40, MVIP
In particular one of the reasons I possess a penis and still identify with Feminism is because the god damn patriarchy hurts men too. I mean Some TERFS and the like are problematic within Feminism but In particular my own theory against the gender binary is that Society oppresses ALL Fem Identified individuals male or female. Feminine men get a lot of shit just as women do. It's not like I see these systems of oppression as something only effecting women. I mean the whole fact is men are expected to bottle emotion and told shit like boys don't cry and have their feelings invalidated and mocked commonly and That shit really needs to come to an end but It's part of the patriarchy and if you possess a penis guess what? It hurts you too. It's in your interest to dismantle it as well.
CountScrofula · 41-45, M
OfflineFriend · 22-25
CountScrofula · 41-45, M
@OfflineFriend >just that many feminist group see that data and take there conclusions with out processing
You're absolutely right. But also, everyone does this. I don't think it's fair to single out feminists, but it is fair to hold people to a high standard for their data. You don't want to put up with bs misinterpreted statistics and I respect that.
> plus paying people different has been illegal for a long time.
That's a big misunderstanding - people think the wage gap is because evil bosses hate women. It's not. It is almost entirely unintentional. It comes from a mixture of life choices (which are gender-based), attitudes we're all raised with, and a lot of unconscious bias.
This goes down to how we teach children and what values we think are ladylike or manly. It's a lot more complicated and nuanced than just "Evil bosses pay women less" which is stupidly simple.
I mean, bosses are evil. Just not for that reason ;)
You're absolutely right. But also, everyone does this. I don't think it's fair to single out feminists, but it is fair to hold people to a high standard for their data. You don't want to put up with bs misinterpreted statistics and I respect that.
> plus paying people different has been illegal for a long time.
That's a big misunderstanding - people think the wage gap is because evil bosses hate women. It's not. It is almost entirely unintentional. It comes from a mixture of life choices (which are gender-based), attitudes we're all raised with, and a lot of unconscious bias.
This goes down to how we teach children and what values we think are ladylike or manly. It's a lot more complicated and nuanced than just "Evil bosses pay women less" which is stupidly simple.
I mean, bosses are evil. Just not for that reason ;)
OfflineFriend · 22-25
@CountScrofula I think we aren't speaking about the same thing .
Still men don't earn more than woman just for been men
Still men don't earn more than woman just for been men
CountScrofula · 41-45, M
@OfflineFriend It's possible we aren't - again, the reason why is the wage gap is not what people think it is. People say "Women earn 75% of what men make" and that's a misleading statistic.
But it's still relevant. All the women in society have less money than all the men. That's not because of bad individual choices, but because our society makes it easier for men to make money.
Anyways, my point is that there are problems women face that men do not. For example, I have received one pervy pm in seven years on EP/SW. [b]One.[/b] How many have you received?
But it's still relevant. All the women in society have less money than all the men. That's not because of bad individual choices, but because our society makes it easier for men to make money.
Anyways, my point is that there are problems women face that men do not. For example, I have received one pervy pm in seven years on EP/SW. [b]One.[/b] How many have you received?
bijouxbroussard · F
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@bijouxbroussard The baggage, I suppose. If everyone could agree on a single definition of the label, then maybe I'd be more likely to use it. But all the negative associations prevent me from using it freely.
bijouxbroussard · F
@SW-User Ah, yes. It was easier back when people with all kinds of agendas weren’t co-opting the term.
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@TheLittleBunny I was a member of the Women's liberation movement which began in earnest in 1968. Is essence, first wave feminism but we did not see ourselves as feminists. We had clear cut values and ideas that we wanted -and legislation that we wanted passed. We succeeded. We had clear goals and we could present them so they made sense to women and men alike. Th e:bra burners: were the fringe element of our group and they may have seen themselves as feminists. we just wanted equality and respect. Namely at the workplace but also in society.
Now we have third wave feminism and the ideas and values we held true are totally lost. It is no longer about all those things as we made those things happen- to a large part. And I am speaking of the NA -namely the US. Now it is about control, and manipulation. To the point of hating- And the haters are NOT the fringe element of third wave feminism--they exist in the main section. A gain that is gotten as another is put down, in essence gotten on the back of another is NOT a gain.
When modern feminism embraces equality an equity for ALL--no matter the sex or gender- then I will get on board again. Modern feminism drives a wedge between the sees.
We never wanted that.
Now we have third wave feminism and the ideas and values we held true are totally lost. It is no longer about all those things as we made those things happen- to a large part. And I am speaking of the NA -namely the US. Now it is about control, and manipulation. To the point of hating- And the haters are NOT the fringe element of third wave feminism--they exist in the main section. A gain that is gotten as another is put down, in essence gotten on the back of another is NOT a gain.
When modern feminism embraces equality an equity for ALL--no matter the sex or gender- then I will get on board again. Modern feminism drives a wedge between the sees.
We never wanted that.