ScreamingFox · 41-45, F
I never got vaccinated for COVID and the only time I got it was from someone who was vaccinated.
In saying that, I used my critical thinking and gave it time to make sure it wasn't some weird shiz being put in my body.
Earlier this year I caught flu b and it demolished me. I've also had the flu vaccine and still gotten the flu...
This fall I'm getting the COVID and flu vaccine. I think it's had enough time to determine the safety and note side affects. I'll see how it goes.
In saying that, I used my critical thinking and gave it time to make sure it wasn't some weird shiz being put in my body.
Earlier this year I caught flu b and it demolished me. I've also had the flu vaccine and still gotten the flu...
This fall I'm getting the COVID and flu vaccine. I think it's had enough time to determine the safety and note side affects. I'll see how it goes.
Elessar · 31-35, M
They're "dangerous" because they have a sensibly greater chance of utilising medical resources that are already barely sufficient without COVID, for something absolutely preventable. Nothing more, nothing less. It's a like with smokers, with the difference that cigarettes, cigars, vapes, and also alcohol are heavily taxed in order to offset the costs (and smokers having a shorter lifespan on average also mean they'll spend less time in retirement, so on average they'll leave more money to the state too)
It's the same reason for why, in the past, vaccines for smallpox, polio and other diseases have been made mandatory (covid vaccine was never made compulsory, btw; they could've re-utilized the legal framework and simply added it to the pre-existing list of mandatory vaccines without coming up with digital passes, etc., but you know, that would've upset the fragile hearts of novaxxers even more)
Culturally speaking, the ability of a bunch of denialists to stimulate "critical thinking" by bringing to the table soe wild conspiracies with zero scientific basis and zero imperative evidence either (pretty much 90% of my city received the vax at the time, we're all doing fine last I checked) in a world in which the median person unacritically accept for real whatever social media and traditional media push to them is absolutely laughable.
The one and only reason why novaxxers positions had the resonance they had is purely because the social media moguls as well as the far right-wing moguls in control of legacy media (TVs, newspapers etc) decided to push their narratives. Trump, Musk, Zuck et. al. wanted to skip the line and have that vaccine before everyone else, and the best way was convincing the sheep they didn't need it, and maybe even that they could go to work and accept the risk of dying on the clock. Plain and simple. In addition to that they've greatly benefitted from some good ol' divide et impera, and steal as much as they could (see how much wealth disparity grew during and immediately after the pandemic) while everyone was fighting over essentially a pile of dumb bullcr#p.
If social media and legacy media had decided otherwise, you'd have probably gotten it without a second thought and we'd have heard of nobody questioning the matter.
It's the same reason for why, in the past, vaccines for smallpox, polio and other diseases have been made mandatory (covid vaccine was never made compulsory, btw; they could've re-utilized the legal framework and simply added it to the pre-existing list of mandatory vaccines without coming up with digital passes, etc., but you know, that would've upset the fragile hearts of novaxxers even more)
Culturally speaking, the ability of a bunch of denialists to stimulate "critical thinking" by bringing to the table soe wild conspiracies with zero scientific basis and zero imperative evidence either (pretty much 90% of my city received the vax at the time, we're all doing fine last I checked) in a world in which the median person unacritically accept for real whatever social media and traditional media push to them is absolutely laughable.
The one and only reason why novaxxers positions had the resonance they had is purely because the social media moguls as well as the far right-wing moguls in control of legacy media (TVs, newspapers etc) decided to push their narratives. Trump, Musk, Zuck et. al. wanted to skip the line and have that vaccine before everyone else, and the best way was convincing the sheep they didn't need it, and maybe even that they could go to work and accept the risk of dying on the clock. Plain and simple. In addition to that they've greatly benefitted from some good ol' divide et impera, and steal as much as they could (see how much wealth disparity grew during and immediately after the pandemic) while everyone was fighting over essentially a pile of dumb bullcr#p.
If social media and legacy media had decided otherwise, you'd have probably gotten it without a second thought and we'd have heard of nobody questioning the matter.
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Jayciedubb · 56-60, M
@Elessar you know why I have faith in the food, water and drugs I consume? It's because I choose them when I need them. The government doesn't supply them for me.
Idk what $22 dollar injection you're talking about that would have kept me from getting covid. Mine were free and guess what? ..I still got covid but don't worry. Those fictitious $10k you think you spend on people who have Healthcare still weren't spent on me. That's for two reasons. 1. I have Healthcare. 2. I didn't go to the hospital
If you had to pay $22 for your vaccinations, you must not have any Healthcare. You don't get to complain about taxes going to uninsured patients if you're one of them. ..and I never would complain about anything like that.
What's the real issue with you? Is it because the rich got richer? They don't need covid to get richer, although it sure did make a lot of money for pharmaceutical industry ..and the paper mask providers, didn't it? But they don't seem to be part of your outrage.
I think in the long run, you'll be glad the government can't force us to ingest questionable chemicals. ..especially our government
Sidenote:
Did you know that most Americans are within the top 10% of the worlds wealthiest. ..I mean, like, 99% of Americans are among the top 10% of the worlds wealthiest people. That's not to say that people from other countries aren't also in that same top 10%. It just means there's a lot of poverty
Idk what $22 dollar injection you're talking about that would have kept me from getting covid. Mine were free and guess what? ..I still got covid but don't worry. Those fictitious $10k you think you spend on people who have Healthcare still weren't spent on me. That's for two reasons. 1. I have Healthcare. 2. I didn't go to the hospital
If you had to pay $22 for your vaccinations, you must not have any Healthcare. You don't get to complain about taxes going to uninsured patients if you're one of them. ..and I never would complain about anything like that.
What's the real issue with you? Is it because the rich got richer? They don't need covid to get richer, although it sure did make a lot of money for pharmaceutical industry ..and the paper mask providers, didn't it? But they don't seem to be part of your outrage.
I think in the long run, you'll be glad the government can't force us to ingest questionable chemicals. ..especially our government
Sidenote:
Did you know that most Americans are within the top 10% of the worlds wealthiest. ..I mean, like, 99% of Americans are among the top 10% of the worlds wealthiest people. That's not to say that people from other countries aren't also in that same top 10%. It just means there's a lot of poverty
Elessar · 31-35, M
@Jayciedubb lmao, no, that's the illusion of choice. Any government can control what's in the water and what's in the food, just by regulating or deregulating certain chemicals, or merely not holding accountable companies that pollute and contaminate the soil and water. Ultimately at least part of your food employs products from the same corporations that manufacture vaccines - be it the antibiotics and other drugs in the cattle, be it herbicides, etc. You absolutely give them blind trust, whether you do it voluntarily or not. Not even if you grew your own stuff you'd be exempt, because you couldn't know which and how many chemicals are in the water and soil you use, short of doing periodic analyses. Consider that harmful chemicals (PFAS) were found even in rainwater, the very concept of non-contaminated food/water is virtually inexistent in 2025.
No dude, the vaccine costs $22 per vial per year, and no ICU stay costs less than 2k per patient per day. If it's not taxes, it's insurance premiums that need to rise in order to offset the added cost of people who voluntarily expose themselves to a higher risk of hospitalization.
You're looking at the leaf failing to see the tree behind it. Go check how much money Bezos, Musk, Thiel and friends accrued after the pandemic compared to before. While you were here arguing about conspiratorial bullsh*t your state's coffers were being robbed dry, through "loans" that were never paid back (well, that you will pay back, of course - see the BBB). Your outrage was at vaccines instead of inflation. They sure love good pawns.
As I said the government absolutely can. Do a chemical analysis of the average American steak and compare it with an European one, there's so much sh*t in it (hormones, drugs beyond legal limit, pathogens) that it's literally illegal to import here for sanitary reasons.
No dude, the vaccine costs $22 per vial per year, and no ICU stay costs less than 2k per patient per day. If it's not taxes, it's insurance premiums that need to rise in order to offset the added cost of people who voluntarily expose themselves to a higher risk of hospitalization.
You're looking at the leaf failing to see the tree behind it. Go check how much money Bezos, Musk, Thiel and friends accrued after the pandemic compared to before. While you were here arguing about conspiratorial bullsh*t your state's coffers were being robbed dry, through "loans" that were never paid back (well, that you will pay back, of course - see the BBB). Your outrage was at vaccines instead of inflation. They sure love good pawns.
As I said the government absolutely can. Do a chemical analysis of the average American steak and compare it with an European one, there's so much sh*t in it (hormones, drugs beyond legal limit, pathogens) that it's literally illegal to import here for sanitary reasons.
Jayciedubb · 56-60, M
@Elessar how much money did the super rich make since Trump's latest term began?
The super rich got that way because that's what they do. How many of the super rich weren't richer after the financial meltdown of '08ish?
As far as the FDA goes, you're doing mental jiu jitsu in order to maintain your limited view of this situation. I can still grow my own food with heirloom seeds and hunt elk from the wild without my job being at risk. The government won't tell me I have to eat GMO groceries in order to stay employed, or sick soceity on me to dissuade me from my chosen way of life.
The thing about freedom is that it is available to everyone and everyone will have their own way to be free. Do you think that any money that could have been saved by denying someone their healthcare for not living the same way as you believe they should, how much of that money would be refunded to you? Your argument might make more sense as a shareholder than a taxpayer, but even then, it would have limited value. My healthcare comes from my union. We are self funded. Of all the available options of providers, I chose the one I was born under, which is a not for profit organization. They're not a publicly traded organization.
The reason hospital beds cost so much to use isn't because of the people using them, it's because of cost of doing business. ..the techs, the nurses, the doctors, the administrators, the bureaucracy at every level, etc.
I bet that fundamentally, you and I agree on a lot of the same topics. As I see this one, and speaking from experience, this may be an issue of perspective and experience. Sometimes we play too close to the subject and miss a lot of the action. Sometimes it's a good idea to back up and look at the whole game.
You can't identify the trends if you're focused too closely on any one aspect.
Food for thought-
Politicians don't really hate anyone. They see everyone as a possible vote. What they do is get us to do all their perceived hating for them.
Also, you're always going to have to pay your taxes. You have no control over what's done with them. If you want to pay less taxes, get a good accountant. A good accountant isn't someone you have to keep employeed. For me, a good accountant is the lady who does my taxes and gets me big returns without me even noticing she gets a cut.
Of course I wish we built more schools than prisons, and so on. But life is too short for me to be so focused and angry about the things I can't change. Enjoy what you can while you can and live a happier life. Trust me. You'll be glad you did
The super rich got that way because that's what they do. How many of the super rich weren't richer after the financial meltdown of '08ish?
As far as the FDA goes, you're doing mental jiu jitsu in order to maintain your limited view of this situation. I can still grow my own food with heirloom seeds and hunt elk from the wild without my job being at risk. The government won't tell me I have to eat GMO groceries in order to stay employed, or sick soceity on me to dissuade me from my chosen way of life.
The thing about freedom is that it is available to everyone and everyone will have their own way to be free. Do you think that any money that could have been saved by denying someone their healthcare for not living the same way as you believe they should, how much of that money would be refunded to you? Your argument might make more sense as a shareholder than a taxpayer, but even then, it would have limited value. My healthcare comes from my union. We are self funded. Of all the available options of providers, I chose the one I was born under, which is a not for profit organization. They're not a publicly traded organization.
The reason hospital beds cost so much to use isn't because of the people using them, it's because of cost of doing business. ..the techs, the nurses, the doctors, the administrators, the bureaucracy at every level, etc.
I bet that fundamentally, you and I agree on a lot of the same topics. As I see this one, and speaking from experience, this may be an issue of perspective and experience. Sometimes we play too close to the subject and miss a lot of the action. Sometimes it's a good idea to back up and look at the whole game.
You can't identify the trends if you're focused too closely on any one aspect.
Food for thought-
Politicians don't really hate anyone. They see everyone as a possible vote. What they do is get us to do all their perceived hating for them.
Also, you're always going to have to pay your taxes. You have no control over what's done with them. If you want to pay less taxes, get a good accountant. A good accountant isn't someone you have to keep employeed. For me, a good accountant is the lady who does my taxes and gets me big returns without me even noticing she gets a cut.
Of course I wish we built more schools than prisons, and so on. But life is too short for me to be so focused and angry about the things I can't change. Enjoy what you can while you can and live a happier life. Trust me. You'll be glad you did
ElwoodBlues · M
@gol979 asks
Like any vaccine, the Covid primes the immune system so it can mount a stronger and more rapid response when it next encounters the proteins formed by the mRNA; AKA proteins on the Covid virus. The mRNA and the spike proteins are flushed from the system in a few days. Only the immune system cells persist.
However, for the Covid vaccines, the positives VASTLY outweigh the negatives. I can give you facts and figures on this, and probably have done so in the past, but you'll likely ignore them.
does it stay in the injection site as stated it would? Does it just appear when the covid virus (whatever version) makes an appearance and then goes dormant? Has the spike protein passed the blood brain barrier? Are there any negatives to this mrna experiment? And how is inducing a reaction with a spike protein not changing your genomic structure?
does it stay in the injection site as stated it would?
Who told you an injection into the blood stream would "stay in the injection site"??? That's a really silly straw man fallacy.Does it just appear when the covid virus (whatever version) makes an appearance and then goes dormant?
NONE OF THE ABOVE!!Like any vaccine, the Covid primes the immune system so it can mount a stronger and more rapid response when it next encounters the proteins formed by the mRNA; AKA proteins on the Covid virus. The mRNA and the spike proteins are flushed from the system in a few days. Only the immune system cells persist.
Has the spike protein passed the blood brain barrier?
NOPE.Are there any negatives to this mrna experiment?
EVERY medical intervention has negatives.However, for the Covid vaccines, the positives VASTLY outweigh the negatives. I can give you facts and figures on this, and probably have done so in the past, but you'll likely ignore them.
And how is inducing a reaction with a spike protein not changing your genomic structure?
Because it's changing the immune system. Just like a mosquito bite or inhaling pollen or any other allergen changes your immune system such that your immune system can mount a more rapid response. Here's a simple cartoon on how the immune system works. To really understand it you'd need a college level course along with its prerequisites.
zonavar68 · 56-60, M
Be VERY careful - I am *specifically* talking about Covid 'vaccine' drugs only here. Nothing else.
Not regular flu vaxes, or other vaxes.
People said 'trust the science', except all the science has been 'paid for' by vested interests due to the highly politicised nature of the Covid situation.
Not regular flu vaxes, or other vaxes.
People said 'trust the science', except all the science has been 'paid for' by vested interests due to the highly politicised nature of the Covid situation.
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