SunshineGirl · 36-40, F
Vaccines require a minimum threshold of adoption among the general population to be fully effective. Smallpox, measles, polio, etc, were not "eradicated" in populations until this threshold was passed. Falling acceptance rates in certain localities in the western world mean that easily preventable but deadly diseases such as measles are killing children again.
It's as simple as that.
It's as simple as that.
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SunshineGirl · 36-40, F
@gol979 95%. In the UK it has never been mandatory to accept vaccines.
gol979 · 41-45, M
@SunshineGirl so 95% percent of people have to be injected to be immune? Can you point out where theres an injection with 95% take up showing this figure is correct?
You dont think injections should be forced into 95% of people if this 95% figure isnt hit?
You dont think injections should be forced into 95% of people if this 95% figure isnt hit?
SunshineGirl · 36-40, F
@gol979 I refer you to my previous two comments.
No, I don't think vaccine acceptance should be mandatory.
No, I don't think vaccine acceptance should be mandatory.
Adeptlinguist · M
Adeptlinguist · M
@mksworld That is simply not true.
mksworld · 46-50, C
@Adeptlinguist WHich bit(s)?
Adeptlinguist · M
@mksworld Your claim that vaccines are not properly tested and only available under EUA.
The main mRNA vaccines are fully approved for adults, but a couple are still under EUA for use on young children.
The main mRNA vaccines are fully approved for adults, but a couple are still under EUA for use on young children.
SomeMichGuy · M
Easy.
1) For diseases eradicated/well-controlled by vaccinating enough people, the rise of this stupidity can constitute a breakdown in the herd immunity.
That impacts people differently, but it certainly affects:
• the very young (look at a "standard mortality table"--the first two years are dangerous years for babies/very young children; the chance of surviving to the next year goes up after this(
• the older
• anyone with a compromised immune system, such as, e.g., people who have had an organ transplant, those on chemotherapy drugs, those with conditions affecting the parts of the body most involved in this protection
• people with a genetic tendency to catch this
• people who can't be vaccinated
2) For measles...well measles is a bad gift which keeps hurting:
3) Getting infected means you have given an organism a chance to evolve.
CoViD can evolve quickly, and has; being a flu-like virus, this is apparently unremarkable, but it is dangerous.
Enough unvaccinated ppl is what made CoViD become endemic...
4) For CoViD, the worst thing is you can be an asymptomatic carrier...
1) For diseases eradicated/well-controlled by vaccinating enough people, the rise of this stupidity can constitute a breakdown in the herd immunity.
That impacts people differently, but it certainly affects:
• the very young (look at a "standard mortality table"--the first two years are dangerous years for babies/very young children; the chance of surviving to the next year goes up after this(
• the older
• anyone with a compromised immune system, such as, e.g., people who have had an organ transplant, those on chemotherapy drugs, those with conditions affecting the parts of the body most involved in this protection
• people with a genetic tendency to catch this
• people who can't be vaccinated
2) For measles...well measles is a bad gift which keeps hurting:
The measles virus can deplete previously acquired immune memory by killing cells that make antibodies, and thus weakens the immune system, which can cause deaths from other diseases.[28][29][30] Suppression of the immune system by measles lasts about two years and has been epidemiologically implicated in up to 90% of childhood deaths in third world countries, and historically may have caused rather more deaths in the United States, the UK and Denmark than were directly caused by measles.[83][84
(Emphasis added; from https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Measles)3) Getting infected means you have given an organism a chance to evolve.
CoViD can evolve quickly, and has; being a flu-like virus, this is apparently unremarkable, but it is dangerous.
Enough unvaccinated ppl is what made CoViD become endemic...
4) For CoViD, the worst thing is you can be an asymptomatic carrier...
mksworld · 46-50, C
@SomeMichGuy We like vaccines that are effective, *proven* to be so, plus safe with well-understood risks and contra-indications. Covid vaxes are none of that. Flu vaxes are at least positively accepted without fear.
SomeMichGuy · M
@mksworld LMAO
Then you don't understand those terms.
The initial vaccines were surprisingly effective, at ~95%.
And proven through testing.
One vaccine had a few problems, but the lack of planning here and crazy, inconsistent messaging led to many people like yourself listening to rumors, etc.
If you recall, DJT admitted to a Watergate reporter that CoViD was "serious, because it [is] in the air" and you have to breathe (comparing it to contact transmission, which was the original theory posited). And he was vaccinated off-camera, in the shadows, as be left office.
So he thought it was greaf.
Then you don't understand those terms.
The initial vaccines were surprisingly effective, at ~95%.
And proven through testing.
One vaccine had a few problems, but the lack of planning here and crazy, inconsistent messaging led to many people like yourself listening to rumors, etc.
If you recall, DJT admitted to a Watergate reporter that CoViD was "serious, because it [is] in the air" and you have to breathe (comparing it to contact transmission, which was the original theory posited). And he was vaccinated off-camera, in the shadows, as be left office.
So he thought it was greaf.
Convivial · 26-30, F
There's a huge amount of ignorance displayed here....