Zero covid strategy
Why are some countries still holding to it with so many vaccinated people? It is time to accept that covid-19 is here to stay.
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@gol979 I don't think we are arguing exactly, I actually feel the one thing government/public health has failed to see is the indirect consequences. I have a friend now, and things are getting better here, whose had two friends close to suicide. I know it's anecdotal, and can't be attributed entirely, but some humanity sees if you remove people from the social connections they need, they become desperate and what issues they have will become more.
That's the problem with science though, it needs to be proven when so much of life is actually felt.
That's the problem with science though, it needs to be proven when so much of life is actually felt.
gol979 · 41-45, M
@SW-User yep. One of me work mates committed suicide. Mental health issues have increased 3 fold, kids are being traumatised, elderly are being isolated as euthanised.
Don't be worried about anecdotal...those are lived experiences and have more "truth" than what the psychos are spewing out of the teevee
Don't be worried about anecdotal...those are lived experiences and have more "truth" than what the psychos are spewing out of the teevee
SW-User
@gol979 I'm not, I'm only worried that anecdotal can never account for what would have happened
DeluxedEdition · 26-30, F
SW-User
@DeluxedEdition It's higher, but that doesn't mean life should "stop". If I was a scientest, or a politican *always numb nuts to emotions* I don't know how I would choose.
wildbill83 · 41-45, M
@DeluxedEdition I'm just waiting for the part where all the mindless drones get marched off to the internment camps/incinerators, and the rest of us can go back to normal... 🤔
DeluxedEdition · 26-30, F
@wildbill83 it would fix a lot of “problems” now wouldn’t it 😌
ninalanyon · 61-69, T
The prevalence still has to be reduced so that it can be treated like the flu. Look at the UK, it has a twice the proportion of its people vaccinated than Norway but simultaneously three times the death rate and eight times the infection rate.
We can't eliminate COVID entirely but we must get it down to manageable levels before we relax.
In addition we need to prepare for the next event of a similar kind and learn lessons from the different reactions and experiences of countries and regions around the world.
Also most counties have not vaccinated anywhere near enough people to achieve herd immunity, if it is even possible at all. See https://www.nature.com/articles/d41586-021-00728-2
We can't eliminate COVID entirely but we must get it down to manageable levels before we relax.
In addition we need to prepare for the next event of a similar kind and learn lessons from the different reactions and experiences of countries and regions around the world.
Also most counties have not vaccinated anywhere near enough people to achieve herd immunity, if it is even possible at all. See https://www.nature.com/articles/d41586-021-00728-2
SW-User
@ninalanyon Question, if in the future it proves impossible (herd immunity), then these measures restriciting should just exist forever? There's enough restless people out there, just waiting for this to end, when does public health accept we tried and we must let evolution happen?
Cierzo · M
@SW-User Nailed it.
ninalanyon · 61-69, T
@SW-User Which measures do you have in mind? All I was suggesting was that we should continue to be more hygienic than before. It seems that vaccines are effective enough that we will achieve herd immunity, at least in those countries where the government and the people trust each other. The only thing hindering countries from achieving herd immunity is vaccine hesitancy.
Evolution isn't going to help us.
Evolution isn't going to help us.
SW-User
Probably. I don't know what to say, but Canada was slow to respond and now no matter the harm it does to the economy (it's easy for the government to forget how it affects the little people), Canada seems to keep an approach we can't let the economy falter, but we can't also open up ever.
Punches · 46-50, F
@SW-User Taking precautions is a good idea but completely putting everything on hold just isn't the answer.
People are tired of it because we all know that illness or even death is just an occupational hazard of life. And we assume those risks. Every day we drive, we could be killed instantly in a car crash but that doesn't mean we never go anywhere in a motor vehicle.
People want and need to live life.
People are tired of it because we all know that illness or even death is just an occupational hazard of life. And we assume those risks. Every day we drive, we could be killed instantly in a car crash but that doesn't mean we never go anywhere in a motor vehicle.
People want and need to live life.
MarineBob · 56-60, M
@SW-User what constitutes a large crowd there.does that include sporting events?
SW-User
@MarineBob Technically in Ontario, above 25 outdoors. The Habs, in Montreal, not part of Ontario asked if they could have larger indoor crowds.. no. I'm fine with that
[Update] while crowds in Quebec are allowed larger than here. I'm happy Quebec did one thing, they facilitated larger screens outside the arena for those who wanted to be part of the event.
[Update] while crowds in Quebec are allowed larger than here. I'm happy Quebec did one thing, they facilitated larger screens outside the arena for those who wanted to be part of the event.
SW-User
@Platinum Huh?
Platinum · M
English not your first language@SW-User
SW-User
@Platinum See how you parsed your reply.
SW-User
Because they have a moral duty to protect those who are not yet vaccinated
SW-User
@SW-User It goes further here, some imagine a world where someone has to wear some kind of flag if they don't have; that's not a country respecting free will.
SW-User
@SW-User thats a bit extreme 🤣
SW-User
@SW-User It's not; but okay. There is newspaper articles expressing what to do with people who won't get vaccinated ~previously denounced by the court~ and now anyone if use that reasoning a Walmart clerk could get fired for not having their vaccinaton. That's extreme
Maybe I should add, won't fair me well, but I meet new sexual partners and I come around to an idea that it's boring society dictates me who.
Maybe I should add, won't fair me well, but I meet new sexual partners and I come around to an idea that it's boring society dictates me who.