Zero covid strategy
Why are some countries still holding to it with so many vaccinated people? It is time to accept that covid-19 is here to stay.
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ninalanyon · 61-69, T
The prevalence still has to be reduced so that it can be treated like the flu. Look at the UK, it has a twice the proportion of its people vaccinated than Norway but simultaneously three times the death rate and eight times the infection rate.
We can't eliminate COVID entirely but we must get it down to manageable levels before we relax.
In addition we need to prepare for the next event of a similar kind and learn lessons from the different reactions and experiences of countries and regions around the world.
Also most counties have not vaccinated anywhere near enough people to achieve herd immunity, if it is even possible at all. See https://www.nature.com/articles/d41586-021-00728-2
We can't eliminate COVID entirely but we must get it down to manageable levels before we relax.
In addition we need to prepare for the next event of a similar kind and learn lessons from the different reactions and experiences of countries and regions around the world.
Also most counties have not vaccinated anywhere near enough people to achieve herd immunity, if it is even possible at all. See https://www.nature.com/articles/d41586-021-00728-2
thewindupbirdchronicles · 46-50, M
@ninalanyon What do you do if the general population, they matter, come to their own conclusion?
ninalanyon · 61-69, T
@thewindupbirdchronicles I presume that the conclusion you have in mind is that people will simply stop taking any hygiene measures before the risks have been substantially reduced. I think we already know what will happen: there will be numerous local outbreaks as has been demonstrated over and over again.
What the authorities will do I have no idea. What I will do, to the extent that it is practical, will be to avoid places where people behave like that.
Where I live, Norway, we will have 90% of adults fully vaccinated by the end of October. We have kept our death rate low by a combination of luck, common sense, and trust between residents and government. If the price to pay for keeping it this way is that we never shake hands with a stranger and occasionally are advised to wear a face mask that seems quite reasonable to me.
What the authorities will do I have no idea. What I will do, to the extent that it is practical, will be to avoid places where people behave like that.
Where I live, Norway, we will have 90% of adults fully vaccinated by the end of October. We have kept our death rate low by a combination of luck, common sense, and trust between residents and government. If the price to pay for keeping it this way is that we never shake hands with a stranger and occasionally are advised to wear a face mask that seems quite reasonable to me.
thewindupbirdchronicles · 46-50, M
@ninalanyon No, I assume most will be hygenic, and they will get on with life.
ninalanyon · 61-69, T
@thewindupbirdchronicles [i]Hygiene measures[/i] in this context means more frequent hand washing, wearing masks when there is a risk that you might be infectious, maintaining distance between people, refraining from physical contact with people outside your immediate family.
We get on with life here in Norway just fine.
We get on with life here in Norway just fine.
thewindupbirdchronicles · 46-50, M
@ninalanyon The obvious hygiene measures, most people know them.
I, for one, eventually will get tired of the idea of keeping physical distance from strangers. That's not life, or living. At some point life comes with risk and I don't want to live in a world that reinforces the idea, stranger danger - as that world creates no social connection, which any study will tell you is integral for a human
I, for one, eventually will get tired of the idea of keeping physical distance from strangers. That's not life, or living. At some point life comes with risk and I don't want to live in a world that reinforces the idea, stranger danger - as that world creates no social connection, which any study will tell you is integral for a human
thewindupbirdchronicles · 46-50, M
@ninalanyon Question, if in the future it proves impossible (herd immunity), then these measures restriciting should just exist forever? There's enough restless people out there, just waiting for this to end, when does public health accept we tried and we must let evolution happen?
Cierzo · M
@thewindupbirdchronicles Nailed it.
ninalanyon · 61-69, T
@thewindupbirdchronicles Which measures do you have in mind? All I was suggesting was that we should continue to be more hygienic than before. It seems that vaccines are effective enough that we will achieve herd immunity, at least in those countries where the government and the people trust each other. The only thing hindering countries from achieving herd immunity is vaccine hesitancy.
Evolution isn't going to help us.
Evolution isn't going to help us.