They expired because

- us women don't want to be dependent on men

- We wanna be able to stay safe and secure by ourselves

- We want equality and therefor we give men love too not just use them for their money and free dinners.

You need to dust away your old gender roles, they don't look that good compared to equality and for women to have independence.

if both people are okay with it, i dont have a problem with it. personally, i enjoy being spoiled by a man. and i dont want a man who needs me to foot the bill. people have their own preferences and thats okay.

I am just not assuming anything when/if I go on a date. Like lets talk about it and see what works. If I am inviting someone out, I have no problem paying, but if the lady I ask out insists, thats cool too, I will get the next one.

It just doesn't seem like a reason to fight or argue about something like that. Its gonna get paid, and if we are dating, I am probably doing the inviting so I have no issue paying.

But whatever works.

I can't believe what you are saying. That is awful. It's still the man's place to open the door for the woman and pay for dinner ...or however they want to pay the bill....but DRIVE THE GUY HOME TOO !!!!
Are they that desperate to impress the guy or is the guy just so wimpy or think that he deserves that treatment ? Holy cow !
This 'wanting to be treated equally' is way out if hand.

I think it’s gotten crazy. I think once you’ve dated someone for awhile things can be split sometimes. But the first date or two, when you’re getting to know someone? I don’t get it:

I don't know, I just feel that it's the one who's done the asking out who should be paying, whether that's the man or woman makes no difference, even for same sex couples. Times have changed and some women don't want to be "wooed" and are well capable of taking care of themselves, many women earn more than some men so if they ask a guy out and want to pay, so be it. I do think it's appropriate to split the cost if that's agreed upon by both parties beforehand though.

Some of us still believe in the"old ways".
And I don't know why it had to change. No wonder there are so many confused people in the world

Funny, some women want to have equal right and these are very selective equal rights

I have always been brought up tat a male will pay for dinner and open doors for ladies, and expect nothing at the end of the night except for good company

Whats wrong with wanting to pamper your boyfriend? Hes not just there to earn a wage and be a meal ticket. Hes a person that deserves love, respect and affection. If its a big planed date we split the bill but we also take turns treating each other with little surprise dates too. Its called a loving happy and equal relationship.

Well as far as who pays for the date, at least the dinner part, it should be whomever initiated the date.
But. I am a hard core traditionalist at heart and that stuff is hard wired in my brain.
The guy should pay just because i feel like such a wussie if she pulled her wade out and bought my dinner.
Christ I am kind of wishing I wasn't such a chump about it. I mean if we are in her car and we get a flat am I going to hold her coat while she changes the tire????

It's why I don't bother with men. My last relationship he started asking me to pay for everything and got real lazy in the intimacy department. I felt like the man and the woman.

I can take care of myself and my.son better without some mooching ass man.

That seems odd. Then again there are a lot of oddities in the world nowadays.

Thanks for sharing. Perhaps the ladies are wanting to take the lead and control the situation with initial dates. Even as a submissive man, I always want to be fully respectful and offer to hold the door, pay for her, but do things the way she wants.

Ahy not treat each other as valued humans and treat each other as well as paying for yourselves. Obligation treats are not real gifts.

I open doors for men and women, esp. if their hands are full. Compassion. Respect.

Respect and equality are hard for some people to understand. Then again, if you're a strong independent woman (TM), it only seems right that you should show that you can afford to pay for a date night.

It's about control. The date is on her terms. I still see plenty of men paying.

Because these are benign gestures?

I’m older and like to spoil my partner. I guess I’m the wrong person to ask. 🤔

it is the generation ,where women or women wont men to be women also,,

I used to pay for the entire dinner when I was out on a blind date. It had nothing to do with being treated equally.

It had everything to do with the rotten slime balls who TRULY believed that if they bought my dinner, that meant they were entitled to sex.

Well, eff them. Eff all of them. If I didn't like the guy, and couldn't imagine allowing him to touch me, I bought his meal...and said, in my own mind..."Don't let the door hit you in the a$$ on the way out!" 🤣🤣🤣

To each their own. But my toxic male ass opens doors and pays. I’ll only be compatible with the women who value this.

I think it's just personal preference. No one person will want the same thing that the other wants. Some like chivalry, some don't. I think that all this is well and good along as it's what both of them want and you're not being dictated by society. At least we're in a place in time where people can decide for themselves.

Try being a woman instead of an angry feminist and you will likely be treated better.
MUCH better.

weird 🤔 regardless of gender, i was under the false assumption that : social niceties, courtesy and just being generally kind was pre-Trump 🤷‍♂️

This says it all.