FreddieUK · 70-79, M
Today (27th Jan2025) is Holocaust Memorial Day and the 80th Anniversary of the liberation of Auschwitz so it would be a good time to respectfully remember what Nazism did.
It is also a good thing to be on our guard against anyone encouraging hate against particular groups as a political ploy to gain or keep power. The majority can sometimes be wrong and when they turn into a mob they are frighteningly destructive of everyone, including themselves.
It is also a good thing to be on our guard against anyone encouraging hate against particular groups as a political ploy to gain or keep power. The majority can sometimes be wrong and when they turn into a mob they are frighteningly destructive of everyone, including themselves.
Because governments are making it normal to hate people who are marginalised.
I admit that we have always had issues with racism and ableism... but it always ramps up in the treatment that black and disabled people face when governments and the media start the rhetoric of "These people are the problem".
Members of the public then seem to think that someone died and made them immigration police/doctors overnight and they can go around demanding to see proof of nationality or disability.
No one will stand up for them when this happens because it means challenging recent indoctrination.
We talk about ISIS radicalisation - yet, we don't hold governments to account when the language they choose to use in debates creates problems for the people who they are supposed to be serving.
I admit that we have always had issues with racism and ableism... but it always ramps up in the treatment that black and disabled people face when governments and the media start the rhetoric of "These people are the problem".
Members of the public then seem to think that someone died and made them immigration police/doctors overnight and they can go around demanding to see proof of nationality or disability.
No one will stand up for them when this happens because it means challenging recent indoctrination.
We talk about ISIS radicalisation - yet, we don't hold governments to account when the language they choose to use in debates creates problems for the people who they are supposed to be serving.
ArishMell · 70-79, M
This on on the 80th Anniversary of the Red Army discovering Auschwitz - Birkenau, the largest of the extermination-camps that formed part of Hitler's "final solution" against the Jews as well as homosexuals, Roma, Russian PoWs and more or less anyone else he despised....
So, why?
Widespread ignorance of what the Nazis actually did, ancient prejudices against anyone "different", even a peculiar, growing idea particularly among younger people even in some European countries that strong, undemocratic governments are somehow better than liberal ones.
Oh - and I use democratic and liberal in their true meanings, not the warped ones of party-political slogans..
We must never forget, and this is why events like todays, in the camp now conserved as a museum and memorial to the atrocity, are so important..
Nor must we forget the victims of Stalin's rule in Russia (est. 10 Million people by famine and increasingly irrational puges), Mao's in China (est. >30M, mainly by famine but some in purges like the "Cultural Revolution"), Pol Pot's in Cambodia (about 2M, but a sizeable proportion of the population, by wilful murder, wilful destruction of medical facilities and sheer neglect).....
So, why?
Widespread ignorance of what the Nazis actually did, ancient prejudices against anyone "different", even a peculiar, growing idea particularly among younger people even in some European countries that strong, undemocratic governments are somehow better than liberal ones.
Oh - and I use democratic and liberal in their true meanings, not the warped ones of party-political slogans..
We must never forget, and this is why events like todays, in the camp now conserved as a museum and memorial to the atrocity, are so important..
Nor must we forget the victims of Stalin's rule in Russia (est. 10 Million people by famine and increasingly irrational puges), Mao's in China (est. >30M, mainly by famine but some in purges like the "Cultural Revolution"), Pol Pot's in Cambodia (about 2M, but a sizeable proportion of the population, by wilful murder, wilful destruction of medical facilities and sheer neglect).....
KingofBones1 · 46-50, M
Honestly, I think it is because of the one world movement being forced on people by the media and the masses. People by nature want to be citizens of their own country, and when they feel either invaded or pushed upon economically socially or politically, it enrages certain extremist elements to take a radical stance.
GunFinger · F
My thoughts exactly.
FreestyleArt · 31-35, M
ArishMell · 70-79, M
@FreestyleArt The original National Socialist party invented by Adolf Hitler died with him, the end of WW2 and the Nuremburg Trials, but some of its basic ideology exploited prejudices that still attract gullible extremists who quite likely do not really understand the history. Or were never taught it.
GuyWithOpinions · 31-35, M
ArishMell · 70-79, M
@GuyWithOpinions Which "media" though? I don't know what the standard ones are like in your country, but I do know those in mine do not support extreme ideology such as espoused by Hitler's "National Socialist Party".
The media we all must really worry about are the "social-media" sites that allow anything and everything without the slightest investigation, verifying or questioning; and we do know some of the nastiest and most destabilising material on such fora is emanating from countries like Russia.
The most dangerous is not the sort of personal insult-trading we saw on this site in the USA's presidential-election campaigning. That's just childish. It is instead articles, blogs or pseudo-magazines that look like authoritative news services, but their biases are soon fairly clear on careful reading, they would fail simple integrity tests; and notably the ones I have seen at least give no office addresses, editorial names, nationality, contact details, etc.
The media we all must really worry about are the "social-media" sites that allow anything and everything without the slightest investigation, verifying or questioning; and we do know some of the nastiest and most destabilising material on such fora is emanating from countries like Russia.
The most dangerous is not the sort of personal insult-trading we saw on this site in the USA's presidential-election campaigning. That's just childish. It is instead articles, blogs or pseudo-magazines that look like authoritative news services, but their biases are soon fairly clear on careful reading, they would fail simple integrity tests; and notably the ones I have seen at least give no office addresses, editorial names, nationality, contact details, etc.
GuyWithOpinions · 31-35, M
@ArishMell the media as in, soneone famous makes a hand gestures, then they focus attention on that for the intent of slander. Or to draw attention away from something else.
ArishMell · 70-79, M
@GuyWithOpinions I think I know the incident you mean, though I have not seen any photographs of it; but unfortunately many of the media are indeed that shallow.
Luckily the main commercial outlets' own leanings are well-known and we can allow for them, but I don't use the newspapers or commercial broadcasters for news and current-affairs. Though in the UK the broadcasters are obliged to make it clear what is factual as far as can be determined, and what is opinion; both the BBC and commerical ones.
Sometimes a claim cannot be verified, especially in a war, and then the reporters will quote the claim but say it cannot be independently verified.
The BBC even has a verification department, and one of its tools is carefully examining background details in images from dubious sources, to see if they corroborate or deny the scene. It is not unknown for some image the creator wants us to believe, has been made artificially, far from the alleged location!
Among my own tests is to ask, "Does this source ask, read, listen to, both sides?" in a bitter trade-dispute, contentious election or indeed a war, at least as far as it reasonably can.
Another is, "Does it ask ordinary citizens, doctors, emergency and aid workers, as well as politicians or military leaders, on both sides?" Sometimes it has to be extremely careful so as to winkle out information without endangering both the interviewees and journalists.
Yet a third is "Does this service have any reason to lie or to mislead me?" I should add I do not accuse the British Press generally of downright lies, though it has been known to happen and they are caught out eventually. However, a report can be distorted subtly by being factual but carefully omitting qualifying observations or questions; or by tricks like quoting percentages without the base numbers. So you read a set of (mostly) facts but not enough of them to understand it properly and neutrally.
Luckily the main commercial outlets' own leanings are well-known and we can allow for them, but I don't use the newspapers or commercial broadcasters for news and current-affairs. Though in the UK the broadcasters are obliged to make it clear what is factual as far as can be determined, and what is opinion; both the BBC and commerical ones.
Sometimes a claim cannot be verified, especially in a war, and then the reporters will quote the claim but say it cannot be independently verified.
The BBC even has a verification department, and one of its tools is carefully examining background details in images from dubious sources, to see if they corroborate or deny the scene. It is not unknown for some image the creator wants us to believe, has been made artificially, far from the alleged location!
Among my own tests is to ask, "Does this source ask, read, listen to, both sides?" in a bitter trade-dispute, contentious election or indeed a war, at least as far as it reasonably can.
Another is, "Does it ask ordinary citizens, doctors, emergency and aid workers, as well as politicians or military leaders, on both sides?" Sometimes it has to be extremely careful so as to winkle out information without endangering both the interviewees and journalists.
Yet a third is "Does this service have any reason to lie or to mislead me?" I should add I do not accuse the British Press generally of downright lies, though it has been known to happen and they are caught out eventually. However, a report can be distorted subtly by being factual but carefully omitting qualifying observations or questions; or by tricks like quoting percentages without the base numbers. So you read a set of (mostly) facts but not enough of them to understand it properly and neutrally.
Roundandroundwego · 61-69
No, just more aggressive!
hippyjoe1955 · 61-69, M
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FreddieUK · 70-79, M
@Roundandroundwego Great imagination: but no evidence. Putin and Lukashenko get a free pass?
Roundandroundwego · 61-69
@FreddieUK they all have checkpoints and guns at all their borders and none welcome immigrants. But you accept that and of course it's a non issue among the current mainstream! The results seem amusing, a genocide, a cold war... Fires! No actual infrastructure development but a festering disaster that keeps the West on fire! Well, it's not a concern n. You don't mind your results over in the mainstream! Only me! Alone, when I'm online! Isolated and pathetic while murka is greater than ever - expanding! On fire but not changing course.
hippyjoe1955 · 61-69, M
@FreddieUK Just a little history for you. Putin and Zelenskyi had a peace deal worked out. Then some British guy with funny hair showed up and told Zeenskyi to ignore the deal. Zelenskyi the puppet obeyed Boris the Brit and as a result there are millions of missing and dead Ukrainians. Don't bother lecturing anyone about Nazism until you admit that the UK government and the US government has been supporting the Nazis in Ukraine. Yes Ukraine has real Nazis. Some clowns that dress up in Nazi garb. Those are real Nazis who trace their roots back to the Third Reich.
Elessar · 26-30, M
COVID fried a lot of brains
https://www.nature.com/articles/d41586-021-01693-6
https://www.nature.com/articles/d41586-021-01693-6
joe438 · 61-69, M
The Democrats are projecting. In their efforts to exert control over people, they did and said things that reminded people of the Nazi party, so they said it was the Republicans and they projected. Now that we all know the claims were hooey, the have to double down on the “Republicans are Nazis “ mantra to try and save face- except that no one with two brain cells is buying it.
They aren't.. they are just having the nerve now because of the antisemites coming out everywhere
MasterLee · 56-60, M
Anything not lamestream left is now nazi. So everything is nazi now.
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