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I want migrants to come to the USA

Immigration can be great if done properly. People need to be welcome with open arms but at the same time vetted. We need to know why they are coming, that they are not carrying communicable disease, are not involved in human trafficking, are not criminals, and want to be a contributing part of the country.

The rate of immigration should be regulated by OUR ABILITY TO VETT THEM, not this wide open invasion crap.
My people weren't vetted when they came through Ellis Island in the 1880's. They somehow convinced somebody that they weren't insane, sickly, and unwilling or unable to work. And they became Americans. No citizenship tests or forms. The Germans on my father side couldn't even speak English.

IMHO we not only need to secure the borders, not only should we vett immigrants, but we need to be more selective. We can't bring in people who are fundamentally hostile to the United States for geopolitical reasons. We can't bring in people who are fundamentally unwilling or unable to integrate at any level.

We are so unable and unwilling to do this because of prejudice and bigotry. I think we are allowed that bigotry. Anyone is. To not import hostile culture, criminal enterprises, and so on.
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@ManKing I didn’t call anyone bigoted. What I wrote was:

We are so unable and unwilling to do this because of prejudice and bigotry. I think we are allowed that bigotry. Anyone is. To not import hostile culture, criminal enterprises, and so on.

The “prejudice” and “bigotry” is what people are called for suggesting immigration bans against groups of people who hostile to America. If that is prejudice and bigotry, I have it. We should have it.
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whowasthatmaskedman · 70-79, M
@ManKing You pushed the point about Americans catching Covid from Migrants.. That is quite simply a lie./. Thats the only point I picked up..😷
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WillaKissing · 56-60
I agree. My father was born in Germany in 1937 and came to the US legally as an immigrant in 1957. He had to immediately Register for the draft right away, pay taxes, had to have a job arranged before being allowed to immigrate, had to be able to read and write English before immigrating, and lastly his first year living in the US he had to live with a Sponsor family that reported monthly as to my father's degree of acceptability to be allowed to stay in the US after that first year. That family became a second family to my father and us. He was very well vetted before allowing to come to the US.

What happened to those vetting procedures?
Ontheroad · M
You know, I agree, at least to some degree and I think most people would agree at least to one degree or another. Therein lies the problem. To what degree and how is it done humanely, equitably and responsibly while still fulfilling our role as a shelter to those in need.

The way forward is not even remotely what we have today and not what we had in the recent past. Like it or not, want to deal with it or not, the world has changed and we can either get with it or be left behind and remain in the turmoil we face today and have faced for the last many years.

The answer(s) are not easy, not simpel and not something we can get to in a month, 6 months or even a year, but there are answers and what we have to do is get our members of both houses to sit down, turn off the political crap, and get busy drafting new immigration laws and policies supported by the infrastructure and funding to pull it off.
Riverman2 · 56-60, M
@calicuz To me, the reason for building a wall is to not keep people out, but rather to have them enter at the points of our choosing. I agree that keeping them all out is not a solution.
Riverman2 · 56-60, M
@Ontheroad Yes. I know my next statement will be overly simplistic and there are complications that I am not even aware of but here goes. It seems to me that for as long as I can remember we have been pouring a huge amount of money overseas to people who hate us. Meanwhile we have this enormous number of people who actually want to be with us. Would it make any sense to take that money and use it for whatever programs, infrastructure, personnel, etc for immigration? My guess is that we throw away enough money to have a first class, fair, humane, and safe immigration process. Just a thought.
Ontheroad · M
@Riverman2 Ha! Foreign policy is, at best, a sticky wicket and the more I understand of it, the less I know. Suffice it to say, that we could across the board cut a couple of percent of our spending in every category (wouldn't even be noticed) and fully fund anything we want to do with immigration. I agree, the money is there, we just need to hit some of those pork barrels.
cherokeepatti · 61-69, F
People who are coming into this country illegally could be carrying food. Passengers on all incoming flights have their luggage screened to make sure that doesn’t happen. If you don’t declare that you have prohibited food items you can be heavily fined, up to $10,000. Is there anything right about allowing millions of immigrant to bypass the rules that law-abiding individuals are expected to comply with? And this is just one smaller example of the crazy way things are being handled.
Slade · 56-60, M
They must have a skill and/or sponsor. We don't bring them in to be a public charge
calicuz · 56-60, M
What part of immigration is "wide open?"
MartinTheFirst · 26-30, M
@Riverman2 By investigating statistics probably, but that's a lot of work just to form one opinion
Riverman2 · 56-60, M
@MartinTheFirst Yes. One would hope that those we send to Washington to run things would have teams that work on those things. That's probably not happening because they all seem to have a different set of "facts". I am reminded of the old saying, "Figured don't lie but liars figure.". Lol.
Riverman2 · 56-60, M
@calicuz Let me put it this way. None of our leaders have convinced me that they are appropriately checking the immigrants coming in. Just the opposite. I truly hope that, as you indicate, it's not a problem. It would be helpful if they published exactly HOW and WHAT the process is.
whowasthatmaskedman · 70-79, M
Your problem is that a lot of the migration you want, with education and skills, seews America as a difficult place now.. The people who want to come in numbers are poorer and will take time and resources to become useful to the nation..😷
MarineBob · 56-60, M
Proper vetting is a long process. Upto a year or longer and that is when one is already a American Citizen.
Riverman2 · 56-60, M
@MarineBob If we want it to go faster then we need to increase our resources.
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Riverman2 · 56-60, M
@ManKing I think we are in agreement. I am saying that the rate of immigration should be dictated by our ability to safely process. If we want to go slower, we can. If we want to go faster then we have to provide the resources to do so. Simply opening the borders is a suicidal move.
Human rights aren't limited by what you want.
Conservatives only seem have that right -. War, border walls, homeless people without health care - because conservatives have feelings that matter more than my rights.
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Carissimi · F
That’s going by our laws, but the Democrats are lawless, and don’t obey the laws they made.
That is fair, in my opinion. Unfortunately, the amount of effort it takes to vet immigrants is more complicated and takes more time than desperate people fleeing dire situations often have. 🙁
Riverman2 · 56-60, M
@bijouxbroussard You are right, sometimes ppl are desperate when they get here. There needs to be a way to both help them but mot simply release anyone and everyone into the country. We need a plan.
LordShadowfire · 46-50, M
If you ask me, the vetting process is too strict. That's why people are bypassing it and coming into the country illegally.
MarineBob · 56-60, M
@LordShadowfire should the ATF also be more laxed on doing background. Checks?
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