BizSuitStacy · M
@TheOneyouwerewarnedabout Sadly, but yes
ItsMeMorgue · 46-50, F
@TexChik Ah, yes. A constitutional republic. Also known as a representative what?
JimboSaturn · 56-60, M
DeWayfarer · 61-69, M
@JimboSaturn There never was a Democracy.
The USA constitution was rigged against it even from inception.
The didn't even consider the vast majority even people. They were afraid of real people. And still are afraid of real people.
AI analysis of just my statement.
The USA constitution was rigged against it even from inception.
The didn't even consider the vast majority even people. They were afraid of real people. And still are afraid of real people.
AI analysis of just my statement.
Your thoughts highlight a critical perspective on the foundations of American democracy. Indeed, the U.S. Constitution was crafted in a way that reflects a compromise between various interests, and many argue it prioritized stability and governance over broader democratic ideals.
Historical Context
Limited Representation
At the inception of the U.S., key groups such as enslaved people, women, and native populations were excluded from the democratic process. The framers of the Constitution were primarily concerned with protecting the interests of wealthy landowners and preserving order, often at the expense of a fully inclusive democracy.
The Electoral College
The establishment of the Electoral College is often cited as a mechanism that undermines direct democracy. This system was designed to balance power between populous and less populous states, but it can result in scenarios where the popular vote does not determine the outcome of elections, fueling skepticism about true representation.
Ongoing Concerns
Current Perceptions
Many people express frustration with perceived elitism in politics today, feeling that leaders are out of touch with the needs and opinions of ordinary citizens. This ongoing disconnect raises questions about the effectiveness and authenticity of democratic processes.
Fear of the Majority
The concern that elites fear "real people" often resurfaces in discussions about voter suppression, gerrymandering, and policies that seem designed to maintain the status quo. Such practices can lead to disenfranchisement and disillusionment among voters.
The conversation around democracy is complex, involving historical contexts, social justice issues, and ongoing political debates.
Historical Context
Limited Representation
At the inception of the U.S., key groups such as enslaved people, women, and native populations were excluded from the democratic process. The framers of the Constitution were primarily concerned with protecting the interests of wealthy landowners and preserving order, often at the expense of a fully inclusive democracy.
The Electoral College
The establishment of the Electoral College is often cited as a mechanism that undermines direct democracy. This system was designed to balance power between populous and less populous states, but it can result in scenarios where the popular vote does not determine the outcome of elections, fueling skepticism about true representation.
Ongoing Concerns
Current Perceptions
Many people express frustration with perceived elitism in politics today, feeling that leaders are out of touch with the needs and opinions of ordinary citizens. This ongoing disconnect raises questions about the effectiveness and authenticity of democratic processes.
Fear of the Majority
The concern that elites fear "real people" often resurfaces in discussions about voter suppression, gerrymandering, and policies that seem designed to maintain the status quo. Such practices can lead to disenfranchisement and disillusionment among voters.
The conversation around democracy is complex, involving historical contexts, social justice issues, and ongoing political debates.
SammyJo · 51-55, F
plungesponge · 41-45, M
The truth is you can't have a democracy for very long if you use a fiat currency.
Because whoever gets voted in has a magic wand where they can create endless amounts of money, and all it costs the country is the promise that the unborn will pay it pack, a deal with the devil the average voter is happy to take.
And once one entity figures out they can print endless power, they start buying and dismantling the checks and balances. America's official doom spiral became public when the US Comptroller quit and started publicly touring to tell the country how indebted the country was. He tried for decades. It hasn't worked.
Because whoever gets voted in has a magic wand where they can create endless amounts of money, and all it costs the country is the promise that the unborn will pay it pack, a deal with the devil the average voter is happy to take.
And once one entity figures out they can print endless power, they start buying and dismantling the checks and balances. America's official doom spiral became public when the US Comptroller quit and started publicly touring to tell the country how indebted the country was. He tried for decades. It hasn't worked.
ThirstenHowl · M
@G7J2O and Trump wants to cancel those
unregisteredhypercam4 · 22-25, M
Maybe. But remember, the first guilded age ended with a huge reformist era. It CAN happen if we actually do something more than just complaining online.
Pretzel · 70-79, M
It's just taking a break
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BlueVeins · 26-30
Fundamentally, democracy requires a populace that's interested in discerning truth from fiction and advancing the well-being of themselves and others in order to function. About 30% of the US population has completely ceded their mental faculties to the GOP, and the GOP has built up a gigantic propaganda apparatus to keep their followers stupid and servile.
You simply can't make democracy work in America without fixing that problem, and the methods required to fix that problem are, in themselves, incredibly undemocratic.
You simply can't make democracy work in America without fixing that problem, and the methods required to fix that problem are, in themselves, incredibly undemocratic.
@BlueVeins
Amazing comment. So what do you call the
CNN+ABC+CBS+NBC+MSNBC+NPR+PBS+Hollywood+NYT+WP++++ apparatus?
the GOP has built up a gigantic propaganda apparatus
Amazing comment. So what do you call the
CNN+ABC+CBS+NBC+MSNBC+NPR+PBS+Hollywood+NYT+WP++++ apparatus?
BlueVeins · 26-30
@Heartlander The only thing all of those sources have in common is that they don't lie to their viewers to protect the GOP. To you guys, that's all it takes to be labeled propaganda. Basically all media in the US has propagandistic elements as a consequence of being owned by oligarchs and subject to access journalism, but to even refer to these things by the same term borders on the fallacy of equivocation.
Democracy is but a path, not a destination. It could be a path to that shining city on a hill, or a path to hell, from where escape is very difficult. By contrast, that path to to that shining city city on a hill has to be constantly cleared of influencers and the self serving who disguise hell to look like heaven.
Allelse · 36-40, M
Looks like it.
meJess · F
@LordShadowfire good we agree ‘representative’ not one person one vote. Glad we got there
LordShadowfire · 46-50, M
@meJess And now comes the part where you pretend that what I was saying all along is something new that I'm saying, so that you can have your little victory dance.
It doesn't matter. It's still a type of democracy. You people keep saying it's not a democracy, while your leaders make damn sure it gets turned into a christofascist state where folks like me are subjugated.
It doesn't matter. It's still a type of democracy. You people keep saying it's not a democracy, while your leaders make damn sure it gets turned into a christofascist state where folks like me are subjugated.
BizSuitStacy · M
kittee · 26-30
its in need for starting again
gregloa · 61-69, M
And to the REPUBLIC for which it stands!
Dino11 · M
With (45,47,48?), We are just starting the
Golden Age Of America!
Golden Age Of America!
ThirstenHowl · M
I think it has
The bar to getting a more modern constitution is too high (too many red states would have to ratify it, and why would they want to give up their minoritarian advantage granted to them by the current constitution?)
There are no rules specified for how an Article V convention would actually be carried out either ... more of the half-assed job the "founding fathers" did
So without a civil war and dissolution of the current nation, replaced by one or more successor nations, or a sudden evolution spurt in the conservative mindset in red states, the future is bleak, particularly given how much power this nation wields against other nations (now dipshit is threatening tariffs on any countries that don't go along with his desire to take over Greenland ... this is exactly the kind of dictator shit our constitution should prevent)
The bar to getting a more modern constitution is too high (too many red states would have to ratify it, and why would they want to give up their minoritarian advantage granted to them by the current constitution?)
There are no rules specified for how an Article V convention would actually be carried out either ... more of the half-assed job the "founding fathers" did
So without a civil war and dissolution of the current nation, replaced by one or more successor nations, or a sudden evolution spurt in the conservative mindset in red states, the future is bleak, particularly given how much power this nation wields against other nations (now dipshit is threatening tariffs on any countries that don't go along with his desire to take over Greenland ... this is exactly the kind of dictator shit our constitution should prevent)
MethDozer · M
The USA was only ever slightly democratic. From voting being only for landowners, to laws restricting the right by gender and race, to modern times of denying the right to "naughty boys and girls". Then onto the slap in the face of the very concept that is the Electoral College. It's always been a sham. However whatever small semblance we have had of Democracy is being evaporated but by people whk mistake tyranny for greatness
carpediem · M
@ItsMeMorgue Actually, if you could both read and think, you'd realize that a pure democracy is not the representative form of government we currently enjoy in the US.
ItsMeMorgue · 46-50, F
LordShadowfire · 46-50, M
1490wayb · 56-60, M
both political parties manipulate to strengthen their grasp on power they control
FreeLittleBird · F
Alyosha · 36-40, M
Representative governments tend to stagnate and collapse.
LordShadowfire · 46-50, M
@Alyosha And unfortunately, that's because of the human tendency to look around, see that things are pretty much the way they like them, and shrug their shoulders and do nothing, because we assume things will remain the same without us doing anything.
Never mind that it took centuries of work to get to where we are now, and we're still not at a place of total equality.
Never mind that it took centuries of work to get to where we are now, and we're still not at a place of total equality.
JimboSaturn · 56-60, M
@LordShadowfire I agree, it may stagnate but that is not because of the structure of the democracy; its due to the education, apathy, and cultural values.
swirlie · 31-35
No, not at all do I think American democracy has run its course.
ONLY the US Constitution has run its course. This is because the Constitution as it is written, cannot be applied to a modern day Democratic Republic, which of course is what the US is pretending to be.
With Americans making constant reference to what's written in their Constitution, America is using the assembly instructions for a Model-T Ford to create what they think will be the greatest country on earth when Trump finally rolls the first one off the assembly line himself.
I feel sorry for Americans at large because they all ended up dog-locked after spending 8 decades fukking each other for power and money, let alone what Americans have done to other countries. Sorry kids, you can't have it both ways! That's not how Karma works!
ONLY the US Constitution has run its course. This is because the Constitution as it is written, cannot be applied to a modern day Democratic Republic, which of course is what the US is pretending to be.
With Americans making constant reference to what's written in their Constitution, America is using the assembly instructions for a Model-T Ford to create what they think will be the greatest country on earth when Trump finally rolls the first one off the assembly line himself.
I feel sorry for Americans at large because they all ended up dog-locked after spending 8 decades fukking each other for power and money, let alone what Americans have done to other countries. Sorry kids, you can't have it both ways! That's not how Karma works!
YoMomma ·
america has internal enemies manipulating people within