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thrash · 31-35, M
at least they're duking it out economically, innit. trade wars are survivable. . .

"who consumes more"

In 2023, China's household final consumption expenditure was approximately $6.96 trillion USD. In contrast, the United States had a household final consumption expenditure of about $17.99 trillion USD in the same year.
Trading Economics

When comparing these figures, the U.S. household consumption is significantly higher than China's. This disparity is notable given the population differences:

China's population (2023): Approximately 1.439 billion

U.S. population (2023): Approximately 331 million

This means that the U.S. population is roughly 4.35 times smaller than China's. Despite this, the total household consumption in the U.S. is more than double that of China. This indicates a substantially higher per capita consumption in the United States compared to China.

Several factors contribute to this difference:

Economic Structure: The U.S. economy is predominantly driven by consumer spending, which accounts for nearly 70% of its GDP. In contrast, China's consumption represents a smaller share of its GDP, with estimates around 39.13% in 2023.
China Leadership
TheGlobalEconomy.com

Income Levels: Higher average incomes in the U.S. enable greater consumer spending.

Savings Rates: Chinese households tend to have higher savings rates, leading to less disposable income allocated for consumption.
Rhodium Group

These factors highlight the differing economic landscapes and consumer behaviors between the two countries.

"who suffers long term?"

great question—here’s the breakdown:

🔥 short-term pain:
both countries suffer in different ways:

🇺🇸 the u.s.:

consumers face higher prices for goods due to tariffs

exporters (especially farmers & tech) lose access to the huge chinese market

supply chains get disrupted

🇨🇳 china:

exports drop, especially to its largest customer—america

foreign investment may slow as companies hedge risk

economic growth takes a hit, especially if consumption stays weak

💣 but long-term?
🇨🇳 china is more vulnerable:
their economy relies heavily on exports and manufacturing

domestic consumption is still weak (as we saw, $7T vs america’s $18T)

population is aging fast and youth unemployment is high

if the west shifts supply chains away from china (like to india or vietnam), china loses leverage

authoritarian structure = less flexibility to adapt in a consumer-led economy

🇺🇸 america is more resilient:
still the #1 consumer market in the world

more self-sufficient: huge internal market, tech, energy, agriculture

innovation-driven economy vs china’s copy-manufacture-export model

able to absorb shocks better due to stronger institutions and financial systems

🧠 but there's nuance:
china’s leadership plays the long game. they may absorb pain for a decade or more, betting that the u.s. will blink first. and if they manage to stimulate domestic demand and build new alliances (like BRICS+ or belt and road), they could weather it.

🏁 bottom line?
if the trade war drags on for decades, china likely suffers more long-term—unless they successfully pivot to a consumption-driven economy, which they’re trying, but slowly.

meanwhile, america’s massive internal demand and economic diversity give it a sturdier foundation to ride it out.

you feel like that’s how it’ll play out? or do you see a different endgame?
Khenpal1 · M
@thrash China has already 1000 factories in South America and rest of Asia.
Tastyfrzz · 61-69, M
@thrash Probably just wiped out the shipping cities on the west coast.
@Tastyfrzz i had to think on this one. i dreamed that all of our coastal towns were the first ones to turn into ghost towns. they have no purpose and the hurricanes are worse....

fun4us2b · M
the problem I see is that new friendships and partnerships are forming which exclude the US reducing our current leverage.

And also, our message to China was - please make us cheap stuff...we want to buy it....

All the distributors, resellers and VARs that depend on imported products will all lose money, resulting in lost jobs. Case in Point Land Rover Jaguar halting export to US. Guess what, there's a bunch of car dealerships that just went out of business.
FoolishLuna · 56-60, F
Pretty much. The US has been so disrespectful to the entire world. I don’t know how he expects people and countries to come grovel to him for a deal.
RICHARD1313 · 51-55, M
they are just mad they cannot buy the pres like they did the last one, and instead have one who will stand up to them and will actually dare tariff them back in the first place. we increased by another fifty so we have a 104 percent tariff on China now.
@RICHARD1313 says
wait, they place high tariffs on us, and yet they should be mad if we finally do it back?
China didn't place high tariffs on the US. China produces goods at low cost that the US likes to buy. Consumer preferences, AKA capitalism; that's what caused the trade deficit.
@RICHARD1313 trump went too far
MasterLee · 56-60, M
@LILY61 not far enough
Tastyfrzz · 61-69, M
I think its over 140% now. Oh yeah, the US will be bringing manufacturing back alright. Stone arrow heads, glint and sterl fire starters, clay pottery, atlatls, and wigwams.
TexChik · F
When China finds themselves excluded from our markets, they will negotiate...just like the last time.

All the American manufacturing in China will have to come back to the US, hire Americans, and make their products in the US to avoid the tariffs.
Tastyfrzz · 61-69, M
I thought it was 104% now?
Khenpal1 · M
@Tastyfrzz could be 84 plus 34
Convivial · 26-30, F
104% increase on your next laptop or tablet... Thanks Donald
Convivial · 26-30, F
@LILY61 and it hasn't really bit yet
@RICHARD1313 it is ALL BS ...all of it.! Tariffs are normal. obscene tariffs should be illegalized.
@RICHARD1313 yes, it is. if you had to pay $20 to set up a flea market stand in the middle of a big flea market and then the owners decided to quadruple your fee but only if you are Asian....They don't want you there. Or they are trying to start something.
WillaKissing · 56-60, M
No, we are not it leaves other countries like Vietnam and India to name a few to take up the slack. Other countries are comping at the bit.
You need to watch less MSNBC
@BrandNewMan i stopped when charles grodin died
MasterLee · 56-60, M
@BrandNewMan a lot less
But ...it's going to be another industrial revolution
@pripyatamusementpark now how would that happen if everything is cancelled? there really is no way back from this
"Canada imposing 25% tariff on some US auto imports"
MasterLee · 56-60, M
China needed a haircut
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tenente · 100+, M
the worst part of all this is everything about it
@tenente my mind keeps going to the 'end of the world scenario'
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