RocktheHouse · M
@Cuteboy12 So, Protestantism 3:16?
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fun4us2b · M
From my limited knowledge - Book of Job - after God takes everything from Job, and he's like: Is that all you got? Bring it!
From Wiki - God tells Eliphaz that he and the two other friends "have not spoken of me what is right as my servant Job has done". The three (Elihu, the critic of Job and his friends, is not mentioned here) are told to make a burnt offering with Job as their intercessor, "for only to him will I show favour". Job is restored to health, riches and family, and lives to see his children to the fourth generation.
From Wiki - God tells Eliphaz that he and the two other friends "have not spoken of me what is right as my servant Job has done". The three (Elihu, the critic of Job and his friends, is not mentioned here) are told to make a burnt offering with Job as their intercessor, "for only to him will I show favour". Job is restored to health, riches and family, and lives to see his children to the fourth generation.
Diotrephes · 70-79, M
@RocktheHouse
Don't you know that the most popular job in ancient times was to be a personal stenographer to the biblical characters? How else would we know what they said when it was just two people yakking in the desert?
According to the Talmud, the book of Job is an allegory. I've always found it difficult to believe someone sat there and wrote down verbatim that conversation between Job and his three friends - Eliphaz, Bildad, and Zophar,
Don't you know that the most popular job in ancient times was to be a personal stenographer to the biblical characters? How else would we know what they said when it was just two people yakking in the desert?
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Elessar · 31-35, M
Matthew 19:23 : I'll tell you the truth, it is hard for a rich man to enter the kingdom of heaven. Again I tell you, it is easier for a camel to go through the eye of a needle than for a rich man to enter the kingdom of God.
With this verse alone you can discern pretty well who's a real Christian, from the majority who'll just use Christianity to push for conservative/regressive political agendas.
With this verse alone you can discern pretty well who's a real Christian, from the majority who'll just use Christianity to push for conservative/regressive political agendas.
QueenOfZaun · 26-30, F
Ezekiel 25:17
The path of the righteous man is beset on all sides
By the inequities of the selfish and the tyranny of evil men
Blessed is he who, in the name of charity and good will
Shepherds the weak through the valley of darkness
For he is truly his brother's keeper and the finder of lost children
And I will strike down upon thee
With great vengeance and furious anger
Those who attempt to poison and destroy my brothers
And you will know my name is the Lord
When I lay my vengeance upon thee
The path of the righteous man is beset on all sides
By the inequities of the selfish and the tyranny of evil men
Blessed is he who, in the name of charity and good will
Shepherds the weak through the valley of darkness
For he is truly his brother's keeper and the finder of lost children
And I will strike down upon thee
With great vengeance and furious anger
Those who attempt to poison and destroy my brothers
And you will know my name is the Lord
When I lay my vengeance upon thee
GerOttman · 70-79, M
@QueenOfZaun what?
Imsleepy · 31-35
Kings, chapter 2, verses 23 and 24.
KJV
23 And he went up from thence unto Bethel: and as he was going up by the way, there came forth little children out of the city, and mocked him, and said unto him, Go up, thou bald head; go up, thou bald head.
24 And he turned back, and looked on them, and cursed them in the name of the Lord. And there came forth two she bears out of the wood, and tare forty and two children of them.
KJV
23 And he went up from thence unto Bethel: and as he was going up by the way, there came forth little children out of the city, and mocked him, and said unto him, Go up, thou bald head; go up, thou bald head.
24 And he turned back, and looked on them, and cursed them in the name of the Lord. And there came forth two she bears out of the wood, and tare forty and two children of them.
RocktheHouse · M
@Imsleepy That is a little barbaric.
saragoodtimes · F
RocktheHouse · M
@saragoodtimes 🤣misquoting scripture
CopperCicada · M
GerOttman · 70-79, M
Romans 6:19,ESV: I am speaking in human terms, because of your natural limitations. For just as you once presented your members as slaves to impurity and to lawlessness leading to more lawlessness, so now present your members as slaves to righteousness leading to sanctification.
TheWildEcho · 61-69, M
Diotrephes · 70-79, M
Diotrephes · 70-79, M
1 Timothy 2:10-13 (CEV) = "10 Women who claim to love God should do helpful things for others, 11 and they should learn by being quiet and paying attention. 12 They should be silent and not be allowed to teach or to tell men what to do. 13 After all, Adam was created before Eve,"
Romans 12:19
Beloved, never avenge yourselves, but leave it to the wrath of God, for it is written, “Vengeance is mine, I will repay, says the Lord
that was when god was a god..
Beloved, never avenge yourselves, but leave it to the wrath of God, for it is written, “Vengeance is mine, I will repay, says the Lord
that was when god was a god..
Diotrephes · 70-79, M
Revelation 16:8-11 (TLB) = "8 Then the fourth angel poured out his flask upon the sun, causing it to scorch all men with its fire. 9 Everyone was burned by this blast of heat, and they cursed the name of God who sent the plagues—they did not change their mind and attitude to give him glory.
10 Then the fifth angel poured out his flask upon the throne of the Creature from the sea, and his kingdom was plunged into darkness. And his subjects gnawed their tongues in anguish, 11 and cursed the God of heaven for their pains and sores, but they refused to repent of all their evil deeds."
10 Then the fifth angel poured out his flask upon the throne of the Creature from the sea, and his kingdom was plunged into darkness. And his subjects gnawed their tongues in anguish, 11 and cursed the God of heaven for their pains and sores, but they refused to repent of all their evil deeds."
Diotrephes · 70-79, M
1 Timothy 2:9 (CEV) ="I would like for women to wear modest and sensible clothes. They should not have fancy hairdos, or wear expensive clothes, or put on jewelry made of gold or pearls."
seotelkniwt · F
Psalm 37:10-11, vs 37, Romans 6:7, Revelation 21:3-5, Acts 24:15, and Isaiah 26:19
seotelkniwt · F
Exodus 6:3, Psalm 83:18, Isaiah 12:2, Isaiah 26:4
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RocktheHouse · M
@SW-User Fascinatingly, that particular prophecy came truth. 2 Kings 6:28-29:
She answered, “This woman said to me, ‘Give up your son so we may eat him today, and tomorrow we’ll eat my son.’ 29 So we cooked my son and ate him. The next day I said to her, ‘Give up your son so we may eat him,’ but she had hidden him.”
She answered, “This woman said to me, ‘Give up your son so we may eat him today, and tomorrow we’ll eat my son.’ 29 So we cooked my son and ate him. The next day I said to her, ‘Give up your son so we may eat him,’ but she had hidden him.”
Diotrephes · 70-79, M
@RocktheHouse
Well, sometimes the menu was very limited:
You can't eat shellfish, pork, camel, tuna, ostriches, or rabbits or yeast bread but you can eat your newborn baby and its afterbirth and children as long as they're roasted.
But you can eat a donkey's head and pigeon shit when you get hungry =
2 Kings 6:25 (CEV) = They kept up the attack until there was nothing to eat in the city. In fact, a donkey's head cost 80 pieces of silver, and a small bowl of pigeon droppings cost 5 pieces of silver."
Once things get really tight you can always eat your own shit and drink your own piss.
2 Kings 18:27 (CEV) = "The Assyrian army commander answered, “My king sent me to speak to everyone, not just to you leaders. These people will soon have to eat their own body waste and drink their own urine! And so will the three of you.”
But stay away from the foods you are not supposed to eat under any circumstances because that will really piss God off if you eat them.
Fascinatingly, that particular prophecy came truth. 2 Kings 6:28-29:
She answered, “This woman said to me, ‘Give up your son so we may eat him today, and tomorrow we’ll eat my son.’ 29 So we cooked my son and ate him. The next day I said to her, ‘Give up your son so we may eat him,’ but she had hidden him.”
She answered, “This woman said to me, ‘Give up your son so we may eat him today, and tomorrow we’ll eat my son.’ 29 So we cooked my son and ate him. The next day I said to her, ‘Give up your son so we may eat him,’ but she had hidden him.”
Well, sometimes the menu was very limited:
You can't eat shellfish, pork, camel, tuna, ostriches, or rabbits or yeast bread but you can eat your newborn baby and its afterbirth and children as long as they're roasted.
But you can eat a donkey's head and pigeon shit when you get hungry =
2 Kings 6:25 (CEV) = They kept up the attack until there was nothing to eat in the city. In fact, a donkey's head cost 80 pieces of silver, and a small bowl of pigeon droppings cost 5 pieces of silver."
Once things get really tight you can always eat your own shit and drink your own piss.
2 Kings 18:27 (CEV) = "The Assyrian army commander answered, “My king sent me to speak to everyone, not just to you leaders. These people will soon have to eat their own body waste and drink their own urine! And so will the three of you.”
But stay away from the foods you are not supposed to eat under any circumstances because that will really piss God off if you eat them.
FreeSpirit1 · F
The Lord will send on you curses, confusion and rebuke in everything you put your hand to, until you are destroyed and come to sudden ruin because of the evil you have done in forsaking him. --Deuteronomy..
So believe in me or I'm going to put a magic curse on you, how charming. 🤣
So believe in me or I'm going to put a magic curse on you, how charming. 🤣
Diotrephes · 70-79, M
Diotrephes · 70-79, M
@RocktheHouse
You are missing the point!
The tribes were scattered from Spain to Ethiopia to India.
Jesus concentrated on the Israelites in Palestine. The nations he spoke of did not include the Gentiles. He was a bigot and his message was not to the Gentiles.
Read the Bible for the way the word "nations" is used =
Genesis 35:9-11 (CEV) = "God Blesses Jacob at Bethel
After Jacob came back to the land of Canaan, God appeared to him again. This time he gave Jacob a new name and blessed him by saying: I am God All-Powerful, and from now on your name will be Israel instead of Jacob. You will have many children. Your descendants will become nations, and some of the men in your family will even be kings."
Genesis 48:19 (CEV) = "But his father said, “Son, I know what I am doing. It's true that Manasseh's family will someday become a great nation. But Ephraim will be even greater than Manasseh, because his descendants will become many great nations.”
Leviticus 4:13 (CEV) = "When the Whole Nation Sins
The Lord said:
When the nation of Israel disobeys me without meaning to, the whole nation is still guilty."
Leviticus 26:33 (CEV) = "After I destroy your towns and ruin your land with war, I'll scatter you among the nations."
Deuteronomy 4:27 (CEV) = "Only a few of you will survive, and the Lord will force you to leave the land and will scatter you among the nations."
Deuteronomy 7:1 (CEV) = "Force the Other Nations Out of the Land
(Exodus 34.11-16)
Moses said:
People of Israel, the Lord your God will help you take the land of the Hittites, the Girgashites, the Amorites, the Canaanites, the Perizzites, the Hivites, and the Jebusites. These seven nations have more people and are stronger than Israel, but when you attack them,"
Deuteronomy 7:17 (CEV) = "You may be thinking, “How can we destroy these nations? They are more powerful than we are.”"
There are 852 references to nations in the CEV so I'll stop here. But remember, Jesus focused his personal attention on the Israelites in Palestine/Canaan. The Apostles were supposed to go to the other lands and preach to the tribes that had been scattered as it says in Deuteronomy 4:27. Although Jesus was supposed to have been the son of God and could walk on water, he didn't have any wings so he couldn't fly from place to place and he would have needed the life span of Methuselah to have covered all of that area by himself.
He was sent only to Israel, and he sent his disciples to spread the gospel to the world - matt. 28:19, "go and teach all nations," a fulfilment of the promise to Abraham - Genesis 12:3, "all nations will be blessed through you." Ergo, his 'seed' Jesus Christ, the savior of the world through his righteous teachings that has sprouted a global transformation
You are missing the point!
The tribes were scattered from Spain to Ethiopia to India.
Jesus concentrated on the Israelites in Palestine. The nations he spoke of did not include the Gentiles. He was a bigot and his message was not to the Gentiles.
Read the Bible for the way the word "nations" is used =
Genesis 35:9-11 (CEV) = "God Blesses Jacob at Bethel
After Jacob came back to the land of Canaan, God appeared to him again. This time he gave Jacob a new name and blessed him by saying: I am God All-Powerful, and from now on your name will be Israel instead of Jacob. You will have many children. Your descendants will become nations, and some of the men in your family will even be kings."
Genesis 48:19 (CEV) = "But his father said, “Son, I know what I am doing. It's true that Manasseh's family will someday become a great nation. But Ephraim will be even greater than Manasseh, because his descendants will become many great nations.”
Leviticus 4:13 (CEV) = "When the Whole Nation Sins
The Lord said:
When the nation of Israel disobeys me without meaning to, the whole nation is still guilty."
Leviticus 26:33 (CEV) = "After I destroy your towns and ruin your land with war, I'll scatter you among the nations."
Deuteronomy 4:27 (CEV) = "Only a few of you will survive, and the Lord will force you to leave the land and will scatter you among the nations."
Deuteronomy 7:1 (CEV) = "Force the Other Nations Out of the Land
(Exodus 34.11-16)
Moses said:
People of Israel, the Lord your God will help you take the land of the Hittites, the Girgashites, the Amorites, the Canaanites, the Perizzites, the Hivites, and the Jebusites. These seven nations have more people and are stronger than Israel, but when you attack them,"
Deuteronomy 7:17 (CEV) = "You may be thinking, “How can we destroy these nations? They are more powerful than we are.”"
There are 852 references to nations in the CEV so I'll stop here. But remember, Jesus focused his personal attention on the Israelites in Palestine/Canaan. The Apostles were supposed to go to the other lands and preach to the tribes that had been scattered as it says in Deuteronomy 4:27. Although Jesus was supposed to have been the son of God and could walk on water, he didn't have any wings so he couldn't fly from place to place and he would have needed the life span of Methuselah to have covered all of that area by himself.
RocktheHouse · M
@Diotrephes Greek word used in Matthew 28:19 - "go make disciples of all nations [ethnos].
1484 éthnos (from ethō, "forming a custom, culture") – properly, people joined by practicing similar customs or common culture; nation(s), usually referring to unbelieving Gentiles (non-Jews). 163 occurences
Luke 18:32
NAS: For He will be handed over to the Gentiles [éthnos] and will be mocked
all (panta) nations (ethnos) - meaning every nation on earth. Clearly, if he meant only descendants of Abraham, he would have used the same language as in Matthew 15:24 - the lost sheep of Israel.
Jesus Christ desire to save 'all nations,' including non-Israelites is also expressed in John 1:13 - They were born not of a bloodline [not descendants of Abraham], nor of human desire, nor of man’s will, but of God.
John the Baptist reiterate this - think not to say within yourselves, We have Abraham to our father: for I. say unto you, that God is able of these. stones to raise up children unto Abraham (Matthew 3:9).
Paul, again reiterates Jesus Christ desire to save 'all nations,' in Galatians 3:29 - If you belong to Christ, then you are Abraham’s seed, and heirs according to the promise.
If that's not clear enough, keep it in context, Galatians 3:28 - There is neither Jew nor Gentile[Hellén - Greek speaking non-jews], neither slave nor free, nor is there male and female, for you are all one in Christ Jesus
1484 éthnos (from ethō, "forming a custom, culture") – properly, people joined by practicing similar customs or common culture; nation(s), usually referring to unbelieving Gentiles (non-Jews). 163 occurences
Luke 18:32
NAS: For He will be handed over to the Gentiles [éthnos] and will be mocked
all (panta) nations (ethnos) - meaning every nation on earth. Clearly, if he meant only descendants of Abraham, he would have used the same language as in Matthew 15:24 - the lost sheep of Israel.
Jesus Christ desire to save 'all nations,' including non-Israelites is also expressed in John 1:13 - They were born not of a bloodline [not descendants of Abraham], nor of human desire, nor of man’s will, but of God.
John the Baptist reiterate this - think not to say within yourselves, We have Abraham to our father: for I. say unto you, that God is able of these. stones to raise up children unto Abraham (Matthew 3:9).
Paul, again reiterates Jesus Christ desire to save 'all nations,' in Galatians 3:29 - If you belong to Christ, then you are Abraham’s seed, and heirs according to the promise.
If that's not clear enough, keep it in context, Galatians 3:28 - There is neither Jew nor Gentile[Hellén - Greek speaking non-jews], neither slave nor free, nor is there male and female, for you are all one in Christ Jesus
Diotrephes · 70-79, M
@RocktheHouse
You keep overlooking the fact that the Jesus character never said one word about "saving" the Gentiles. The Saul/Paul preached that. Everything the Jesus character said in Matthew, Mark, Luke, and John was specific to the Jews/Hebrews/Israelites. He didn't give a damn about the Gentiles and called them dogs and swine and specifically told his Apostles to avoid them.
The Greek version is a translation of the original Latin version.
If that's not clear enough, keep it in context, Galatians 3:28 - There is neither Jew nor Gentile[Hellén - Greek speaking non-jews], neither slave nor free, nor is there male and female, for you are all one in Christ Jesus
You keep overlooking the fact that the Jesus character never said one word about "saving" the Gentiles. The Saul/Paul preached that. Everything the Jesus character said in Matthew, Mark, Luke, and John was specific to the Jews/Hebrews/Israelites. He didn't give a damn about the Gentiles and called them dogs and swine and specifically told his Apostles to avoid them.
The Greek version is a translation of the original Latin version.
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RocktheHouse · M
@Diotrephes Aren't we blessed to live in a time of abundance? What would Americans do if food became scarce like that?
Diotrephes · 70-79, M
@RocktheHouse
We are very fortunate right now but things are starting to fray. One day things will take a sharp turn for the worse and it will get very ugly. For some reason most people are incapable of looking two minutes ahead. You see it all the time when the weather gets bad and there are floods and power outages. It's hard to prepare for everything but, if you know things are going to get iffy, you should at least keep your car gassed up and have at least one case of drinking water on hand. But it seems like people don't watch the news. Too many are caught unprepared.
Aren't we blessed to live in a time of abundance? What would Americans do if food became scarce like that?
We are very fortunate right now but things are starting to fray. One day things will take a sharp turn for the worse and it will get very ugly. For some reason most people are incapable of looking two minutes ahead. You see it all the time when the weather gets bad and there are floods and power outages. It's hard to prepare for everything but, if you know things are going to get iffy, you should at least keep your car gassed up and have at least one case of drinking water on hand. But it seems like people don't watch the news. Too many are caught unprepared.
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