Thevy29 · 41-45, M
Ghosts, yes. - But I have never seen one like the movies pretend them to be. I was a little kid and half asleep when I saw them. The shadows of a group of people up against the wall. The source of the light was the camp fire my Nanna was sitting at and I heard voices from that direction but when I looked it was just Nanna sitting there by herself. She had originally taken me there to ask the ancestors for help...
Hauntings, yep.
Demons - Well I didn't see them myself. We were camping on the Nullarbor plains. One of my aunts saw the little man sitting by the campfire. She panicked and we all spent the rest of the night locked in the cars.. The little men of the plains are smaller in size then 'Hobbits' I suppose, and are known to take kids and small children from campsites. Or so the Elders stories claim.
Hauntings, yep.
Demons - Well I didn't see them myself. We were camping on the Nullarbor plains. One of my aunts saw the little man sitting by the campfire. She panicked and we all spent the rest of the night locked in the cars.. The little men of the plains are smaller in size then 'Hobbits' I suppose, and are known to take kids and small children from campsites. Or so the Elders stories claim.
4meAndyou · F
I believe in God and in all things visible and invisible. I tend to believe that there are both ghosts and demons, AND there are hauntings that are just echoes out of their own time, that repeat themselves.
I believe the streams of times past can cross into our own, if there is enough power emitted...power from a traumatic event, for example.
I believe the streams of times past can cross into our own, if there is enough power emitted...power from a traumatic event, for example.
Sleepysheep · 26-30, M
@4meAndyou oh kind of like a spiritual cross over from the afterlife?
I believe evil forces roam rampant, trying to corrupt and torment us.
Just as much as I believe there are good forces in place to prevent that. :)
Amen sister I love the lord too!
I believe evil forces roam rampant, trying to corrupt and torment us.
Just as much as I believe there are good forces in place to prevent that. :)
Amen sister I love the lord too!
4meAndyou · F
@Sleepysheep Nope. I believe that time is like a piece of string, and that string can be bent if there is sufficient traumatic power being emitted by a human. If time is bent, or warped, then you might hear or see things from the past...voices, or music, or even see a shape that walks through a wall that wasn't there 300 years ago. It's not spiritual. It's an echo.
Ghosts, yea. I think when people pass away they get the option to roam on earth until they're ready to be reincarnated. How much access they have to living people that they knew, I'm not sure. I think multiple dimensions are existing in the same space. Reptilians are said to live among us but they can access different dimensions and that they feed off fear and negative energy. I guess they can be considered a type of demon. Or maybe people that do rituals where they are granted things they desire, the trade off is that when they die they live as a demon and they go around doing dirty work such as making sure things go wrong for certain people and stuff like that.
BlueSkyKing · M
I believe in evidence.
“Don't you believe in flying saucers, they ask me? Don't you believe in telepathy? — in ancient astronauts? — in the Bermuda triangle? — in life after death?
No, I reply. No, no, no, no, and again no.
One person recently, goaded into desperation by the litany of unrelieved negation, burst out "Don't you believe in anything?"
"Yes", I said. "I believe in evidence. I believe in observation, measurement, and reasoning, confirmed by independent observers. I'll believe anything, no matter how wild and ridiculous, if there is evidence for it. The wilder and more ridiculous something is, however, the firmer and more solid the evidence will have to be.”
― Isaac Asimov
“Don't you believe in flying saucers, they ask me? Don't you believe in telepathy? — in ancient astronauts? — in the Bermuda triangle? — in life after death?
No, I reply. No, no, no, no, and again no.
One person recently, goaded into desperation by the litany of unrelieved negation, burst out "Don't you believe in anything?"
"Yes", I said. "I believe in evidence. I believe in observation, measurement, and reasoning, confirmed by independent observers. I'll believe anything, no matter how wild and ridiculous, if there is evidence for it. The wilder and more ridiculous something is, however, the firmer and more solid the evidence will have to be.”
― Isaac Asimov
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BlueSkyKing · M
@AkioTsukino Make a clear definition of what a ghost is. Are they made of matter? Emit or reflect light? Leave behind residue?
All that is offered are stories and say so anecdotes. How about something that would stand up in a court of law? I’ll settle for that.
All that is offered are stories and say so anecdotes. How about something that would stand up in a court of law? I’ll settle for that.
AkioTsukino · M
@BlueSkyKing I don't find the topic itself terribly interesting or compelling other than to say, as I have, that it would depend upon the application of the term and that I don't believe in the commonly applied superstitious folklore. But your response I found somewhat interesting because of your reference to evidence and that the Asimov quote you gave made reference specifically to flying saucers and life after death.
True, and I wouldn't perceive those as anything other than that, but when you say "I believe in evidence" it becomes at least a little problematic because that statement itself is anecdotal and your position on the subject isn't offered so much as it is implied.
I would agree with you, most likely, on flying saucers and ghosts if the Asimov quote is any indication of your position on the subject, but my position is based upon an understanding of the Bible (also anecdotal) only with a different explanation than that of common folklore. Specifically, I don't believe, in accordance with the Bible, that the soul or spirit of the dead exists or presents themselves to the living. Of course if they don't exist they wouldn't present, but I included it for context and clarification. Biblically speaking the soul means breather and spirit means invisible active force producing visible results. The soul is the life, life experience of any breathing creature and is represented by the blood of that creature. Spirit (from the Greek pneuma as in pneumatic/pneumonia) can be translated as breath, breeze, compelled mental inclination, God's active force (holy spirit or holy ghost). But also from a supernatural perspective spirit beings such as angels, demons and God himself. Life, experience, blood, breath, wind, mental inclination - these aren't outside the realm of scientific inquiry.
The word ghost comes from Proto-Germanic and is the same as spirit. Although interestingly the early origins had more to do with anger and mental inclination. Casper the friendly ghost is the exception. None of that is, I suppose, particularly relevant to you since the Bible is anecdotal and spirit beings, not unlike those allegedly manning flying saucers, are of extraterrestrial and supernatural origins. Although extraterrestrial aliens and flying saucers are supposedly material rather than spiritual.
All that is offered are stories and say so anecdotes.
True, and I wouldn't perceive those as anything other than that, but when you say "I believe in evidence" it becomes at least a little problematic because that statement itself is anecdotal and your position on the subject isn't offered so much as it is implied.
I would agree with you, most likely, on flying saucers and ghosts if the Asimov quote is any indication of your position on the subject, but my position is based upon an understanding of the Bible (also anecdotal) only with a different explanation than that of common folklore. Specifically, I don't believe, in accordance with the Bible, that the soul or spirit of the dead exists or presents themselves to the living. Of course if they don't exist they wouldn't present, but I included it for context and clarification. Biblically speaking the soul means breather and spirit means invisible active force producing visible results. The soul is the life, life experience of any breathing creature and is represented by the blood of that creature. Spirit (from the Greek pneuma as in pneumatic/pneumonia) can be translated as breath, breeze, compelled mental inclination, God's active force (holy spirit or holy ghost). But also from a supernatural perspective spirit beings such as angels, demons and God himself. Life, experience, blood, breath, wind, mental inclination - these aren't outside the realm of scientific inquiry.
The word ghost comes from Proto-Germanic and is the same as spirit. Although interestingly the early origins had more to do with anger and mental inclination. Casper the friendly ghost is the exception. None of that is, I suppose, particularly relevant to you since the Bible is anecdotal and spirit beings, not unlike those allegedly manning flying saucers, are of extraterrestrial and supernatural origins. Although extraterrestrial aliens and flying saucers are supposedly material rather than spiritual.
BlueSkyKing · M
@AkioTsukino I like Shakespeare a lot but I don’t care for is many of his plays get pushed along by using ghosts. Routine use of time travel in movies and television rubs me the wrong way too. It’s all fiction though, knowing the difference counts.
SumKindaMunster · 51-55, M
Sleepysheep · 26-30, M
@SumKindaMunster I feel that, but I’m sure that’s more along the line of psychics.
I believe there are bad forces as much as I believe there are good forces protecting us.
Do I believe in possession I’m on the fence, but do I believe in negative energies following people making their life miserable? Yes I do
I believe there are bad forces as much as I believe there are good forces protecting us.
Do I believe in possession I’m on the fence, but do I believe in negative energies following people making their life miserable? Yes I do
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@revenant have you had any experiences?
AkioTsukino · M
Sleepysheep · 26-30, M
@AkioTsukino I agree with you on that one! I mean ancient spirits good and bad not in anyway related to us, infact they likely don’t even look like us.
Have you ever seen a biblical Angel? They are terrifying!
Have you ever seen a biblical Angel? They are terrifying!
AkioTsukino · M
@Sleepysheep To us spirit beings don't look like us because we can't see them, like we can't see the air we breath or the wind. If it is thought that a "ghost" is some dead person apparition then they would make themselves resemble us, but that is a deception. It's demonic.
Have I ever seen one? I don't know. I've seen the deception, the demonic spirit beings attempting to convince me they were dead relatives, but the Bible says when we die, that's it. There is no spirit (breath) left in us. It also says we may entertain angels without knowing it so I would think that if they appear terrifying they are the same way, a deception or hallucination of some sort.
Have I ever seen one? I don't know. I've seen the deception, the demonic spirit beings attempting to convince me they were dead relatives, but the Bible says when we die, that's it. There is no spirit (breath) left in us. It also says we may entertain angels without knowing it so I would think that if they appear terrifying they are the same way, a deception or hallucination of some sort.
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Sleepysheep · 26-30, M
@Emosaur lol well that’s not a bad thing just means you have less things to fear in life.
Renaci · 36-40
The only time and places where such things are claimed to have existed is times and places humans are involved.
Almost like it's humanity that are the ghosts and demons.
Almost like it's humanity that are the ghosts and demons.