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Why do people apply human rules to the Creator

It's easy for us to wish life to be perfect. But applying these human ideas about the Creator is counter productive. We could never understand such a Being and our real purpose here on earth. We just have to accept certain things, good and tragic are part of life.
Pikachu ·
Why? Because it's the only set of rules we have to go by. It's the only toolkit we have and ostensibly it's a toolkit given to us by god.
Seems strange then that god appears to fall short in several areas given that he's being judged based on parameters he outlined for us...
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Pikachu ·
@Emosaur

🤣 lol ok.
You do you.
I'll call you out again if i feel the urge. Try not to freak out next time and declare yourself my enemy...

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I don't think there's good cause to try to apply human ideas about the Creator. We don't have to do that, as if we're guessing who he is. Why do people make such a mystery out of the Bible when God gave us the Bible so that we could know everything we are supposed to know about God, including who he is, where he came from, what he came for, why we need him etc. Why do people act like it's such a mystery, when he told us everything we need to know in order to get to heaven. He didn't leave us to guess, and yet people still have the craziest notion of who he is and other questions that they pretend they can never know, yet there they are...the answers are in God's Word. It's ridiculous.

[quote]We just have to accept certain things, good and tragic are part of life.[/quote]

Oh please! As if God left us wandering around in the dark with no way of knowing who he is. That's lazadaisical and there's no excuse for that when God gave us His Word. That's an insult to God.
Axeroberts · 56-60, M
@LadyGrace not everyone is going to agree with you. And if your beliefs work for you that's fine. I have nothing against that. But I find you don't accept others'beliefs
@Axeroberts it's not that I don't accept others beliefs and that makes me sad that you think I don't. You don't understand. It's not that I didn't accept your/others beliefs, it's just that I was trying to understand where you were coming from. That's why I asked questions.
Axeroberts · 56-60, M
@LadyGrace i have no problem with you asking.
robertsnj · 56-60, M
I remember reading Ernest Becker's book "The Denial of Death" years ago. Becker a cultural anthropologists by trade proposes the drive of religion (in the absence of evidence) and all that comes with it is often driven by man's fear of death. I think that is the short answer to your question. Belief in God is a denial of death. Many of them call it an afterlife, a reincarnation or other idea.

Perfection as as construct is a subjective measure. Because the meaning varies from culture to culture and even person to person to say "life is perfect" as an individual construct has validity but as an idea that encompasses all of humanity or even much of it maybe not so much.

When you say [b]understand such a being[/b].---we can recede that idea by how we understand most tangible (an entity such as God for example) things put before us. We do that by preponderance of the evidence. Even if it is introspection it is still introspection of evidence presented.

In that idea the construct of God, for which there is no evidence is a meaningless idea until such time evidence comes forth to support the existence of said entity.

Which gets us back to your question---applying human rules to a creator. We as a society apply human rules to everything that we culturally agree on as existence. Currently most humans, especially in America as a proposal for what God is and apply their human rules towards that construct even in the absence of any evidence.
Axeroberts · 56-60, M
@LeopoldBloom that's true
@Axeroberts OK. I tend to lose patience with people who say they don't follow a religion, then turn around and say they have a "relationship" with Jesus and take the Bible literally. That would be a religion.
Axeroberts · 56-60, M
@LeopoldBloom well this is not me. I also find it difficult when people draw conclusions
If we can't understand the creator's motives or intentions, doesn't that completely negate religion? You can't claim on one hand that the creator wants you to worship him in a specific way, then turn around and say "oh, but we can't possibly hold such an advanced being to human standards" when asked why he allows evil and suffering. The same could apply to your understanding of salvation; maybe you have no idea what the creator wants. The Bible, Jesus, the crucifixion, the resurrection, etc. are impossible for anyone to understand and even attempting to is hopeless.
sree251 · 41-45, M
@LeopoldBloom If you subscribe to the belief that the government provides for you, then it explains why people are pack animals, cattle to be used as canon fodder in times of war. Weapons of mass destruction target the herd.

The human psyche is a strange beast. It cannot be tamed. It has to be destroyed.
@sree251 Only a child thinks the government provides for us by magic. We pay taxes and the government uses the proceeds to fund programs that ideally benefit society. Without government-funded law enforcement, business would be severely hampered as everyone would have to either hire a private security provider or spend time and money protecting themselves. And that doesn't count programs like the interstate highway system, which wouldn't exist without government.

There's no need to destroy the human psyche. We have naturally evolved to "tame" ourselves by giving up a portion of our individual freedom for the good of society. There wouldn't be very many of us if we were all living on our own, like tigers or hamsters. As social animals capable of cooperating with each other, there are a lot more of us, so cooperative behavior was selected for. The downside of this is that we are capable of greater destruction, but with over 8 billion of us, I'd say we've been pretty successful. Limited to hunting and gathering, the environment could at most support half a billion of us.
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StarLily · 51-55, F
I see it as humanity's way of putting Divine Source/God/Creator in a box... to try to understand it within our human limits and be comfortable with it within those limits.

But you can't put Creator in a box, can you? It's impossible.
Axeroberts · 56-60, M
@StarLily how can we know how He thinks?
StarLily · 51-55, F
@Axeroberts There's no way to know for sure.
Axeroberts · 56-60, M
@StarLily true
I personally don't know what purpose making the human race perfect would serve. It would remove freedom and choice. I don't worry about it though to be honest.
sree251 · 41-45, M
@Spoiledbrat You are not human, and you have neither freedom nor choice. You just don't know it.
@sree251 I meant perfect. What would be the point of making a perfect world. We might as well not even exist then. Besides it's not possible. And it's all in how you look at it. We have plenty of freedom.
sree251 · 41-45, M
@Spoiledbrat Do you have plenty of freedom? Perhaps, you are content with your situation. Contentment is not a bad thing.
DiegoWolfe · 36-40
because humanity is Vain enough to feel they are not only the Top species on this Ball of rock and water, BUTT are also vain enough that they feel all things omnipotent are like them
Axeroberts · 56-60, M
@DiegoWolfe that is the part that makes me curious. How could we think like the Creator?
Handfull1 · 61-69, F
And this is how wars begin!!
Axeroberts · 56-60, M
@Dshhh huh?
Dshhh · M
The source of many orders, is the idea that one religion, is the only true one. And everyone else is a dangerous enemy who should be exterminated@Axeroberts
That seemed to make better sense? I suppose I should try again
Axeroberts · 56-60, M
@Dshhh yes that makes sense. However it's like blaming the gun instead of the shooter
JimboSaturn · 51-55, M
Because we made him up.
Axeroberts · 56-60, M
@JimboSaturn are you sure
LordShadowfire · 100+, M
@Axeroberts I legitimately believe humans invented him, and then gave him power. Are you familiar with the concept of an egregore?
Axeroberts · 56-60, M
@LordShadowfire for people who have had a spiritual awakening there's just no doubt
sree251 · 41-45, M
Religion, in essence, is not about God. It is about personal security and protection from danger. The greatest source of danger to oneself is not from natural disasters but from other people. The invocation of a higher power greater than that of humans serves to establish moral order in society.

This is what I think. What do you think?
If that's the case, then there's no point in prayer or any kind of relationship with said creator.
@sree251 Experiences and material conditions.
sree251 · 41-45, M
@BohemianBoo You are getting spiritual.
@sree251 So is ya butt.
LordShadowfire · 100+, M
It's pretty simple, Axe. Either God allows bad things to happen because he wants them to, in which case he's not a good being, or he's powerless to stop them from happening.

Here, this chart explains it all:

Or perhaps this image will be simpler to grasp:
Comment edited because of my fat fingers, lol.
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LordShadowfire · 100+, M
@Emosaur Thank you. I forgot about that. You're absolutely right. And then they justify it by saying that Allah hasn't been proven to exist. Which is a total hypocrite argument.
Axeroberts · 56-60, M
@LordShadowfire it's hard to grasp. But I wonder if the people helping that person end up more enriched as a result
The same people who say humans created God go on to hold God to contemporary human values. Affirming the consequent at work here
Axeroberts · 56-60, M
@ImperialAerosolKidFromEP they paint the picture and then say it's no good 😆
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sree251 · 41-45, M
@Emosaur Just because you don't have the evidence of something doesn't mean it doesn't exist.

If you are a hound dog, you could get shot if you act the way you do when the rest of he pack is howling and running after the fox and you stand there acting superior looking at your owner and trying to make him understand that there is no evidence because you can't get the scent of the fox.
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SW-User
Let us be honest, we only adhere to "man made rules"
sree251 · 41-45, M
@SW-User If we adhered to man-made rules, there wouldn't be prisons and the fear of God.

 
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