Are churches essential? [Spirituality & Religion]
If they can maintain social distancing are they really more dangerous than other businesses? Should people knowing the possible danger be allowed to decide!
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hippyjoe1955 · 70-79, M
@spjennifer I live in a city of over 1.2 million. There have been 12 deaths. 0.001%. BTW 0.001% is not 350000. Sad that they didn't teach math at nursing school.
Quizzical · 46-50, M
Quizzical · 46-50, M
@AnneHoney Again... rights devoid of responsibility
I did however state that I was no expert...
As for that statement, I don't know how you could possibly have made it. Is the virus being transmitted by long distance telepathy then?
I did however state that I was no expert...
You assume gathering in large groups will spread the virus. That has been shown not to be the case.
As for that statement, I don't know how you could possibly have made it. Is the virus being transmitted by long distance telepathy then?
Symptomatic transmission
By way of definition, a symptomatic COVID-19 case is a case who has developed signs and symptoms compatible with COVID-19 virus infection. Symptomatic transmission refers to transmission from a person while they are experiencing symptoms.
Data from published epidemiology and virologic studies provide evidence that COVID-19 is primarily transmitted from symptomatic people to others who are in close contact through respiratory droplets, by direct contact with infected persons, or by contact with contaminated objects and surfaces.1-7 This is supported by detailed experiences shared by technical partners via WHO global expert networks, and reports and presentations by Ministries of Health. Data from clinical and virologic studies that have collected repeated biological samples from confirmed patients
provide evidence that shedding of the COVID-19 virus is highest in upper respiratory tract (nose and throat) early in the course of the disease.8-11 That is, within the first 3 days from onset of symptoms.10-11 Preliminary data suggests
that people may be more contagious around the time of symptom onset as compared to later on in the disease.
By way of definition, a symptomatic COVID-19 case is a case who has developed signs and symptoms compatible with COVID-19 virus infection. Symptomatic transmission refers to transmission from a person while they are experiencing symptoms.
Data from published epidemiology and virologic studies provide evidence that COVID-19 is primarily transmitted from symptomatic people to others who are in close contact through respiratory droplets, by direct contact with infected persons, or by contact with contaminated objects and surfaces.1-7 This is supported by detailed experiences shared by technical partners via WHO global expert networks, and reports and presentations by Ministries of Health. Data from clinical and virologic studies that have collected repeated biological samples from confirmed patients
provide evidence that shedding of the COVID-19 virus is highest in upper respiratory tract (nose and throat) early in the course of the disease.8-11 That is, within the first 3 days from onset of symptoms.10-11 Preliminary data suggests
that people may be more contagious around the time of symptom onset as compared to later on in the disease.
AnneHoney · 41-45, F
Much of that is no longer policy. The first sentence, close proximity to infected. They retracted the surfaces part a couple days ago for example. Now saying you are not going to catch it from a surface.
Churches can like other places insist on masks and social distancing. I heard this morning they will likely reduce distancing to 3 feet from 6 based on additional data.
And keep those over 70 in a separate area of the church. Services can be held safely just like shopping at Costco.@Quizzical
Churches can like other places insist on masks and social distancing. I heard this morning they will likely reduce distancing to 3 feet from 6 based on additional data.
And keep those over 70 in a separate area of the church. Services can be held safely just like shopping at Costco.@Quizzical
Quizzical · 46-50, M
@AnneHoney So let me get this straight...
According to what you are saying, you can't get it from surfaces and you can't get it from close proximity or large gatherings...
So how exactly have 4.9 million people got it when it doesn't seem (according to what you are relating) to be particularly transmittable? 🤔
According to what you are saying, you can't get it from surfaces and you can't get it from close proximity or large gatherings...
So how exactly have 4.9 million people got it when it doesn't seem (according to what you are relating) to be particularly transmittable? 🤔
Doomflower · 41-45, M
TexChik · F
@Dlrannie You arent a christian , but those who are wish to congregate . That right is guaranteed by the constitution, which means libs cant stop it. Where are all your social distancing concerns when blue state governors intentionally put covid patients into nursing homes? Social distancing was never intended to prevent the disease spread, but rather to keep hospitals from being over run. Cuomo orders the covid patients being placed in nursing homes instead of an empty hospital ship sitting in the harbor.
TexChik · F
@Dlrannie People can worship as they want. I do as the Bible says . You however, want to deny me and others of faith our right to congregate . You are clearly clueless and have no idea what being Christian , worship, and fellowship are all about. But you have the unending desire to deny people of faith the right to worship as they see fit because you don’t have any ( faith) . . .
JBird · F
Not for me. They opened 'other' businesses because it's essential. If government decide to close down supermarkets or repair services, how long would you survive? Did people die because they didn't go to church? If we let other people decide in such a critical situation, we might as well be dead before we get to a decision. I don't think social distancing would be feasible in church. But if you go ahead and go to church, just because you have rights, you're putting others in danger too.
It's not rocket science. You only need common sense.
It's not rocket science. You only need common sense.
JesseInTX · 51-55, M
Whether they’re essential or not people should have the right to go worship with their congregation of they wish to. Just as they should be able to go to a restaurant. Or to a vacation home. Or the beach. Or the lake. If you don’t feel comfortable then stay home. But just because you stay home shouldn’t mean I have to as well.
JoePourMan · 61-69, M
@JesseInTX excellent points
AnneHoney · 41-45, F
Again you played the delusional card and now insulted my intellect. an ass is used to carry heavy loads which you clearly are when you assume only delusional people have an opinion that differs from yours.
The Bible says God the Father. Jesus history says was a man. So he seems a reasonable pronoun to use when discussing God. @BlueVeins
The Bible says God the Father. Jesus history says was a man. So he seems a reasonable pronoun to use when discussing God. @BlueVeins
BlueVeins · 22-25
@AnneHoney I didn't just call that lady delusional, I provided evidence that she was delusional. You're not seriously going to defend someone who thinks that worship makes you impenetrable to pathogens, right? It's ok for someone to have a different opinion, but there's such a thing as objective reality and facts.
4meAndyou · F
I heard someone speaking on the news the other day, and I thought he had a very valid point. Walmart and Costco are allowed to be open, with masks and social distancing...(and social distancing is not even happening). There is NO crowd control at those places...and people just crowd in to the stores in any number they please. 3000 people a day go into those stores, touching everything.
If THAT is okay, what in heaven's name is wrong with opening up churches, with masks and social distancing? Eating is considered essential for survival...so I understand that food stores have to be open. But Democrat states are keeping churches closed while liquor stores and abortion clinics are allowed to be open...and I can't even get surgery on my extremely painful hand and wrist. I've been waiting since March and have had two doctors appointments cancelled.
So why...why in heck is sitting 6 feet apart, wearing a face mask, in church, different than groping through the coolers for your beer in the liquor stores and a thousand people all touching the same handles?
If THAT is okay, what in heaven's name is wrong with opening up churches, with masks and social distancing? Eating is considered essential for survival...so I understand that food stores have to be open. But Democrat states are keeping churches closed while liquor stores and abortion clinics are allowed to be open...and I can't even get surgery on my extremely painful hand and wrist. I've been waiting since March and have had two doctors appointments cancelled.
So why...why in heck is sitting 6 feet apart, wearing a face mask, in church, different than groping through the coolers for your beer in the liquor stores and a thousand people all touching the same handles?
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AnneHoney · 41-45, F
@spjennifer I like your suit and shoes. You shouldn’t hide your face.
JoePourMan · 61-69, M
@revenant especially Christianity
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@AnneHoney Also, the original language of the Bible, it never really mentions church. Church was actually the Greek word " ekklesia" which means "calling out".
So, Peter was the rock of those who call out to God in the original not the rock of the church in the translated English. Jesus also worshipped outside of the temple many times. He made it a point that you don't need church to be with God.
So, based on Biblical evidence, church is not essential since you can worship and be close with God anywhere.
So, Peter was the rock of those who call out to God in the original not the rock of the church in the translated English. Jesus also worshipped outside of the temple many times. He made it a point that you don't need church to be with God.
So, based on Biblical evidence, church is not essential since you can worship and be close with God anywhere.
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@AnneHoney I'm not saying churches are bad, I'm just saying that even Jesus would deem churches as non-essential.
There are many verses in the Bible that I could use but to Christians, these two are the most well known.
I also still go to religious services and like to learn about different religions.
There are many verses in the Bible that I could use but to Christians, these two are the most well known.
I also still go to religious services and like to learn about different religions.
AnneHoney · 41-45, F
Very reasonable answer@SW-User
GodSpeed63 · 70-79, M
AnneHoney · 41-45, F
Seems clear to me. Congress shall not RESTRICT THE FREE PRACTICE THERE OF @SweetMae if your practice is attending a church it can not be prevented. The only argument is the not yelling fire in a theater argument which restricts free speech. It took the Supreme Court ruling to allow that one.
revenant · F
I do not go to church but who am I to tell a churchgoer, or mosque, synagogue etc goer not to go ?
If I felt for my safety, it is UP TO ME not to go or associate with that person.
Booze stores are left open no ?
who am I to tell someone what is and what is non essential for them
If I felt for my safety, it is UP TO ME not to go or associate with that person.
Booze stores are left open no ?
who am I to tell someone what is and what is non essential for them
FreeSpirit1 · F
MistyStarr · F
whowasthatmaskedman · 70-79, M
No. Skipping over the irresponsible acts of some preachers claiming they can crue or grant Immunity, the social distance isnt about just the flock. It is about every other contact the flock members have. So their responsibility is to the Community. God will just have to understand.
Chevy454 · 46-50, M
No. Never were
LegendofPeza · 61-69, M
Essentially useless , much like the mugs that frequent them.
What America needs is more prayer says President Shit Heel , right on the back of Republican polling that shows a double digit drop in support amongst Catholics , Protestants and Evangelicals.
He's fucking shitting himself.
What America needs is more prayer says President Shit Heel , right on the back of Republican polling that shows a double digit drop in support amongst Catholics , Protestants and Evangelicals.
He's fucking shitting himself.
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