Are churches essential? [Spirituality & Religion]
If they can maintain social distancing are they really more dangerous than other businesses? Should people knowing the possible danger be allowed to decide!
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Quizzical · 46-50, M
Quizzical · 46-50, M
@AnneHoney I'm not an expert on the constitution, but I'm vaguely aware it refers to religious freedom.
In essence the right to worship WHO you want to. I don't think it refers to WHERE you get to worship.
It's all very well people pointing to the constitution and complaining about their rights, but it has to be remembered that rights are given to us by society, and those rights come with unwritten responsibilities towards society.
For example, the right to bear arms comes with the responsibility to use those arms wisely, and not just shoot your neighbour because you don't like the way he cuts his grass on a Sunday morning.
You guys do have the right to worship, but I'd suggest also the responsibility to NOT attend large gatherings in the middle of a medical crisis with the potential to spread the virus further...
When people are unable to act responsibly towards society then the state has to step in.
So, the guy who shoots his neighbour gets arrested and locked up.
And the churches get closed to prevent mass gatherings (no pun intended)
In essence the right to worship WHO you want to. I don't think it refers to WHERE you get to worship.
It's all very well people pointing to the constitution and complaining about their rights, but it has to be remembered that rights are given to us by society, and those rights come with unwritten responsibilities towards society.
For example, the right to bear arms comes with the responsibility to use those arms wisely, and not just shoot your neighbour because you don't like the way he cuts his grass on a Sunday morning.
You guys do have the right to worship, but I'd suggest also the responsibility to NOT attend large gatherings in the middle of a medical crisis with the potential to spread the virus further...
When people are unable to act responsibly towards society then the state has to step in.
So, the guy who shoots his neighbour gets arrested and locked up.
And the churches get closed to prevent mass gatherings (no pun intended)
Quizzical · 46-50, M
@AnneHoney Again... rights devoid of responsibility
I did however state that I was no expert...
[quote]You assume gathering in large groups will spread the virus. That has been shown not to be the case.[/quote]
As for that statement, I don't know how you could possibly have made it. Is the virus being transmitted by long distance telepathy then?
[quote][b]Symptomatic transmission[/b]
By way of definition, a symptomatic COVID-19 case is a case who has developed signs and symptoms compatible with COVID-19 virus infection. Symptomatic transmission refers to transmission from a person while they are experiencing symptoms.
Data from published epidemiology and virologic studies provide evidence that COVID-19 is [b]primarily transmitted from symptomatic people to others who are in close contact through respiratory droplets, by direct contact with infected persons, or by contact with contaminated objects and surfaces[/b].1-7 This is supported by detailed experiences shared by technical partners via WHO global expert networks, and reports and presentations by Ministries of Health. Data from clinical and virologic studies that have collected repeated biological samples from confirmed patients
provide evidence that shedding of the COVID-19 virus is highest in upper respiratory tract (nose and throat) early in the course of the disease.8-11 That is, within the first 3 days from onset of symptoms.10-11 Preliminary data suggests
that people may be more contagious around the time of symptom onset as compared to later on in the disease.[/quote]
I did however state that I was no expert...
[quote]You assume gathering in large groups will spread the virus. That has been shown not to be the case.[/quote]
As for that statement, I don't know how you could possibly have made it. Is the virus being transmitted by long distance telepathy then?
[quote][b]Symptomatic transmission[/b]
By way of definition, a symptomatic COVID-19 case is a case who has developed signs and symptoms compatible with COVID-19 virus infection. Symptomatic transmission refers to transmission from a person while they are experiencing symptoms.
Data from published epidemiology and virologic studies provide evidence that COVID-19 is [b]primarily transmitted from symptomatic people to others who are in close contact through respiratory droplets, by direct contact with infected persons, or by contact with contaminated objects and surfaces[/b].1-7 This is supported by detailed experiences shared by technical partners via WHO global expert networks, and reports and presentations by Ministries of Health. Data from clinical and virologic studies that have collected repeated biological samples from confirmed patients
provide evidence that shedding of the COVID-19 virus is highest in upper respiratory tract (nose and throat) early in the course of the disease.8-11 That is, within the first 3 days from onset of symptoms.10-11 Preliminary data suggests
that people may be more contagious around the time of symptom onset as compared to later on in the disease.[/quote]
AnneHoney · 36-40, F
Much of that is no longer policy. The first sentence, close proximity to infected. They retracted the surfaces part a couple days ago for example. Now saying you are not going to catch it from a surface.
Churches can like other places insist on masks and social distancing. I heard this morning they will likely reduce distancing to 3 feet from 6 based on additional data.
And keep those over 70 in a separate area of the church. Services can be held safely just like shopping at Costco.@Quizzical
Churches can like other places insist on masks and social distancing. I heard this morning they will likely reduce distancing to 3 feet from 6 based on additional data.
And keep those over 70 in a separate area of the church. Services can be held safely just like shopping at Costco.@Quizzical
Quizzical · 46-50, M
@AnneHoney So let me get this straight...
According to what you are saying, you can't get it from surfaces and you can't get it from close proximity or large gatherings...
So how exactly have 4.9 million people got it when it doesn't seem (according to what you are relating) to be particularly transmittable? 🤔
According to what you are saying, you can't get it from surfaces and you can't get it from close proximity or large gatherings...
So how exactly have 4.9 million people got it when it doesn't seem (according to what you are relating) to be particularly transmittable? 🤔