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AkioTsukino · M
@Pikachu [quote]100%, unsubstantiated conjecture, there lol.[/quote]
Duh!
[quote]od destroyed EVERYONE...except for a few faithful.
He destroyed the group "unfaithful", if you like, to preserve the group "faithful".
He destroyed a huge number of people to preserve the people he valued.
That's what genoicdes do.[/quote]
No. God destroyed the unfaithful group to preserve mankind, because if he hadn't the unfaithful would have destroyed themselves as well as the faithful.
Duh!
[quote]od destroyed EVERYONE...except for a few faithful.
He destroyed the group "unfaithful", if you like, to preserve the group "faithful".
He destroyed a huge number of people to preserve the people he valued.
That's what genoicdes do.[/quote]
No. God destroyed the unfaithful group to preserve mankind, because if he hadn't the unfaithful would have destroyed themselves as well as the faithful.
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Iwantyourhotwife · 22-25
What leaves you as agnostic rather than antitheist?
@AkioTsukino
[quote]So gods other than the one specific "God" you ambiguously refer to do, in your estimation, exist[/quote]
Nope. I don't think Zeus exists, i don't think Vishnu exists, i don't think the FSM exists.
I am convinced that no gods exist. It is not a specific rejection of one deity but a rejection of the whole category (and because you're a pedantic twat about this, yes i am referring to supernatural beings and not Babe Ruth or chocolate covered pretzels lol)
[quote]l. I don't see antitheism as being relevant here and hadn't been suggested so I don't know why you brought it up out of the apparent blue, as they say.[/quote]
Nah i think you just misread earlier.
[b][c=005E2F]Iwantyourhotwife: What leaves you as agnostic rather than [i]antitheist[/i]?[/c][/b]
[b][c=665D00]Pkachu: Well i'm not [i]antitheist[/i] because i don't think the belief in a god is necessarily a negative.[/c][/b]
[b][c=4C0073]Scientiaratio:
" Well i'm not a[i]ntitheist[/i] because i don't think the belief in a god is necessarily a negative."
The term [i]atheist [/i]means without gods.
[/c][/b]
I agree that antitheism isn't relevant to the discussion you and i are having, I just wanted to be sure you knew that lol.
All cleared up?
[quote]If you want to avoid confusion with me [/quote]
I do. Which is why i defined my terms in the context of my belief and my identification as an agnostic atheist.
So just to be very clear: in this thread, when i reference a god, i am referencing a supernatural being.
If you can accept that context then we'll move forward. If you refuse to accept that concept then there is nothing to discuss because there will not be an agreement upon terms.
Are we understood?
[quote]I really don't care what stupid labels you put on me, let alone on yourself or the entire unbelieving masses.[/quote]
lol not sure what labels i put on you. But you attempted to dismiss my reasoning as nonsense and yet you continue to shy away from making your case as to why that is so, attempting instead to avoid that course by refusing to acknowledge that when i'm talking about atheism, i'm talking about a lack of belief in a supernatural entity and not in Britney Spears.
At this stage Y]you don't strike me as a good faith actor. You strike me as someone who wants to win a game.
I'm really not interested.
So since we both have the stated value of agreeing upon terms, here are your choices, bud:
1) Agree to the terms i have defined here describing the context for my belief and make your case as to why my reasoning for being an agnostic atheist is nonsense or
2) Insist that gods can be anything from Mr Rogers to neat cloud in the sky and that therefor i must believe on one of those and we'll both move on.
lol up to you.
[quote]So gods other than the one specific "God" you ambiguously refer to do, in your estimation, exist[/quote]
Nope. I don't think Zeus exists, i don't think Vishnu exists, i don't think the FSM exists.
I am convinced that no gods exist. It is not a specific rejection of one deity but a rejection of the whole category (and because you're a pedantic twat about this, yes i am referring to supernatural beings and not Babe Ruth or chocolate covered pretzels lol)
[quote]l. I don't see antitheism as being relevant here and hadn't been suggested so I don't know why you brought it up out of the apparent blue, as they say.[/quote]
Nah i think you just misread earlier.
[b][c=005E2F]Iwantyourhotwife: What leaves you as agnostic rather than [i]antitheist[/i]?[/c][/b]
[b][c=665D00]Pkachu: Well i'm not [i]antitheist[/i] because i don't think the belief in a god is necessarily a negative.[/c][/b]
[b][c=4C0073]Scientiaratio:
" Well i'm not a[i]ntitheist[/i] because i don't think the belief in a god is necessarily a negative."
The term [i]atheist [/i]means without gods.
[/c][/b]
I agree that antitheism isn't relevant to the discussion you and i are having, I just wanted to be sure you knew that lol.
All cleared up?
[quote]If you want to avoid confusion with me [/quote]
I do. Which is why i defined my terms in the context of my belief and my identification as an agnostic atheist.
So just to be very clear: in this thread, when i reference a god, i am referencing a supernatural being.
If you can accept that context then we'll move forward. If you refuse to accept that concept then there is nothing to discuss because there will not be an agreement upon terms.
Are we understood?
[quote]I really don't care what stupid labels you put on me, let alone on yourself or the entire unbelieving masses.[/quote]
lol not sure what labels i put on you. But you attempted to dismiss my reasoning as nonsense and yet you continue to shy away from making your case as to why that is so, attempting instead to avoid that course by refusing to acknowledge that when i'm talking about atheism, i'm talking about a lack of belief in a supernatural entity and not in Britney Spears.
At this stage Y]you don't strike me as a good faith actor. You strike me as someone who wants to win a game.
I'm really not interested.
So since we both have the stated value of agreeing upon terms, here are your choices, bud:
1) Agree to the terms i have defined here describing the context for my belief and make your case as to why my reasoning for being an agnostic atheist is nonsense or
2) Insist that gods can be anything from Mr Rogers to neat cloud in the sky and that therefor i must believe on one of those and we'll both move on.
lol up to you.
AkioTsukino · M
@Pikachu [quote]Nope. I don't think Zeus exists[/quote]
Now? Of course he doesn't exist now! But the term, like our term God, was used in application to allegedly supernatural beings as well as Roman rulers. See? You aren't conversant.
[quote] i don't think the FSM exists[/quote]
See? You don't listen. The FSM doesn't have to literally exist to be a god. Like, as I said, Amaterasu isn't thought, by her worshipers, to exist. they knew she didn't exist. She didn't have to. How many times have you used the term "Good luck." Luck is a well known god in many cultures. "Oh, well I don't mean it that way." Because you don't know any better.
[quote]I am convinced that no gods exist. [/quote]
But only a certain kind, right? A relatively select few of them are allegedly supernatural, you just mean those, right? Most of the gods that have ever been have been persons, places or things. You don't doubt the existence of those gods, correct? Just the ones that you can't scientifically test.
Now? Of course he doesn't exist now! But the term, like our term God, was used in application to allegedly supernatural beings as well as Roman rulers. See? You aren't conversant.
[quote] i don't think the FSM exists[/quote]
See? You don't listen. The FSM doesn't have to literally exist to be a god. Like, as I said, Amaterasu isn't thought, by her worshipers, to exist. they knew she didn't exist. She didn't have to. How many times have you used the term "Good luck." Luck is a well known god in many cultures. "Oh, well I don't mean it that way." Because you don't know any better.
[quote]I am convinced that no gods exist. [/quote]
But only a certain kind, right? A relatively select few of them are allegedly supernatural, you just mean those, right? Most of the gods that have ever been have been persons, places or things. You don't doubt the existence of those gods, correct? Just the ones that you can't scientifically test.
@AkioTsukino
[quote] A relatively select few of them are allegedly supernatural, you just mean those, right?[/quote]
Yes.
lol yes.
I thought i'd made that abundantly clear.
But evidently you don't have an issue with my description of being agnostic atheist with reference such gods.
Cool. Glad we could get there eventually.
[quote] A relatively select few of them are allegedly supernatural, you just mean those, right?[/quote]
Yes.
lol yes.
I thought i'd made that abundantly clear.
But evidently you don't have an issue with my description of being agnostic atheist with reference such gods.
Cool. Glad we could get there eventually.
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LordShadowfire · M
@jshm2 There's always one.
AkioTsukino · M
@jshm2 I don't think he's just looking for attention any more than anyone else posting messages on a public forum. The goal is to look for attention. I noticed you often refer to Pikachu as kiddo, is there a personal vendetta? Be fair. Always be fair. Truth is jeopardized without fairness.
looping · 18-21
so i understand that you're agnostic, meaning that whilst you don't necessarily believe in a god, if it turned out they were real you wouldn't be surprised right? (correct me if i'm wrong.) my question for you is, if not a god, do you believe in an afterlife of sorts? or a higher power? or do you think we're here simply by chance. just to be clear i am also agnostic.
robertsnj · 56-60, M
what books written by atheists authors have you read that stood out to you. Don't go crazy and list 10 but maybe the top 1-3. and what you got out of them?
Jexie · 26-30, F
Pika pi?
LordShadowfire · M
Where can I find a good diabetic bakery in Portland?