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HollyW · 18-21, F
I strongly disagree. To believe in a super-intelligence requires switching off our own intelligence. it's a 'don't think, just believe' kind of proposition. Sure, there are many arguments of the illogical and spurious sort. They don't impress me much.
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DocSavage · M
yrge/chunkhead
No we don’t
No we don’t
yrger · 80-89, M
Hi atheists, why are you all not taking notice of this thread started by me Yrger, I am the theist here.
At the beginning I thought that I noticed more than a hundred replies were made (by atheists?).
Then all replies disappeared.
What happened?
Perhaps the Similar Worlds personnel can tell me, what is happening - I am at a loss.
At the beginning I thought that I noticed more than a hundred replies were made (by atheists?).
Then all replies disappeared.
What happened?
Perhaps the Similar Worlds personnel can tell me, what is happening - I am at a loss.
DocSavage · M
[c=009E4F]yrger/chunkhead[/c]
[quote] The explanation why you deny even the God of nature to exist, is because you are not natural but un-natural.[/quote]
I’m typing slow, I know you can’t read very fast.
So, you started yet another thread to avoid answering question, and spread more of your bullshit. Still haven’t come up with any thing new.
Well, how many gods are we up to ? You made up your nature god, I think you included the super nature one to avoid alienating the Christians, afraid to deny their god are you ? Not so confident about your own. When can we expect the one who invented love ? Goddesses
Are usually more popular for that.
You know, you have things backwards. Atheist never deny or reject god or gods out of hand. I takes a lot of effort to step away from thousands of years of tradition. It’s foolish of you to think it’s easy. Many of the more vocal Atheist, come from very religious backgrounds. They undoubtedly have more insight on the subject of god than either of us.
The more you know, however, the less sense it makes. In most cases, it’s the conflict not with science, but with morality that starts them on the path. You wonder how such a loving god could commit such horrible deeds. Then you look at history, and sciences and you have to choose between reality and what you know can’t be true. I found that faith, wasn’t worth the price of integrity.
You started all this by claiming your “true” created the universe, and that we “ultimately “ owe existence and control to him. Of course, you gave no details. You don’t have any.
There’s a few of us here willing to go into a realistic discussion on the subject. But you are not mature enough to take us on. You lack the courage of your convictions. And the intelligence to back them up.
The honest people here will do the real work, you’re just an obnoxious, narcissistic idiot. Rapidly running out of entertainment value.
[quote] The explanation why you deny even the God of nature to exist, is because you are not natural but un-natural.[/quote]
I’m typing slow, I know you can’t read very fast.
So, you started yet another thread to avoid answering question, and spread more of your bullshit. Still haven’t come up with any thing new.
Well, how many gods are we up to ? You made up your nature god, I think you included the super nature one to avoid alienating the Christians, afraid to deny their god are you ? Not so confident about your own. When can we expect the one who invented love ? Goddesses
Are usually more popular for that.
You know, you have things backwards. Atheist never deny or reject god or gods out of hand. I takes a lot of effort to step away from thousands of years of tradition. It’s foolish of you to think it’s easy. Many of the more vocal Atheist, come from very religious backgrounds. They undoubtedly have more insight on the subject of god than either of us.
The more you know, however, the less sense it makes. In most cases, it’s the conflict not with science, but with morality that starts them on the path. You wonder how such a loving god could commit such horrible deeds. Then you look at history, and sciences and you have to choose between reality and what you know can’t be true. I found that faith, wasn’t worth the price of integrity.
You started all this by claiming your “true” created the universe, and that we “ultimately “ owe existence and control to him. Of course, you gave no details. You don’t have any.
There’s a few of us here willing to go into a realistic discussion on the subject. But you are not mature enough to take us on. You lack the courage of your convictions. And the intelligence to back them up.
The honest people here will do the real work, you’re just an obnoxious, narcissistic idiot. Rapidly running out of entertainment value.
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DocSavage · M
@yrger[c=009E4F]/chunkhead[/c]
[quote] With the God of nature, you have got to be natural to know Him[/quote]
No you don’t. Humans can perceive god because they have abstract thinking and concepts. We can see patterns, take past experiences and make predictions. It’s that ability that allows us to seek out the “ultimate “
Answer to complex questions. You imagine your god based on a pattern you imagine exist, but have yet to describe. Something that indicates design. Get it right chunkhead.
[quote] With the God of nature, you have got to be natural to know Him[/quote]
No you don’t. Humans can perceive god because they have abstract thinking and concepts. We can see patterns, take past experiences and make predictions. It’s that ability that allows us to seek out the “ultimate “
Answer to complex questions. You imagine your god based on a pattern you imagine exist, but have yet to describe. Something that indicates design. Get it right chunkhead.
yrger · 80-89, M
@LeopoldBloom No, it's begging the question, because I go outside concepts in my mind to seek evidence of the creator God in the concrete reality of our neighborhood.
And I have found evidence, namely: for example babies and roses in our everywhee neighborhood, babies and roses ultimately come from God, "The God (of nature) that is the permanent self-existent spirit creator and operator of man and the universe and everything transient in nature."
And I have found evidence, namely: for example babies and roses in our everywhee neighborhood, babies and roses ultimately come from God, "The God (of nature) that is the permanent self-existent spirit creator and operator of man and the universe and everything transient in nature."
LeopoldBloom · M
@yrger You need to prove that babies and roses come from God. Just saying they do is the [i]ipse dixit[/i] fallacy.
Begging the question is assuming the answer in the question itself. Your quote is an example of that. You present an arbitrary definition of God, then point to it and say "see? I just proved God exists."
Here's another example. I define God as the pocket calculator on my desk. The pocket calculator exists. Therefore, God exists. The problem is that this definition artificially limits God to what I can describe. This is all you're doing; you're just picking a different thing and calling it "God."
Begging the question is assuming the answer in the question itself. Your quote is an example of that. You present an arbitrary definition of God, then point to it and say "see? I just proved God exists."
Here's another example. I define God as the pocket calculator on my desk. The pocket calculator exists. Therefore, God exists. The problem is that this definition artificially limits God to what I can describe. This is all you're doing; you're just picking a different thing and calling it "God."
DocSavage · M
[c=009E4F]yrger/chunkhead[/c]
1) There have been thousands of gods throughout history ([b]fact[/b])
2) No god in history has ever been proven to exist.([b]fact)[/b]
3) Every god in history is man made. ([b]Fact)[/b]
That alone is all the explanation there is.
Reason takes [b]facts [/b] in to account . Faith ignores them.
1) There have been thousands of gods throughout history ([b]fact[/b])
2) No god in history has ever been proven to exist.([b]fact)[/b]
3) Every god in history is man made. ([b]Fact)[/b]
That alone is all the explanation there is.
Reason takes [b]facts [/b] in to account . Faith ignores them.
newjaninev2 · 56-60, F
[quote]why you deny even the God of nature to exist[/quote]
1. there's no proof that gods exist
2. there's no proof that gods don't exist
3. in any event, there’s [b]no compelling necessity[/b] to even postulate gods, and, in any event, the postulation explains nothing (not even itself)... it merely tries to explain everything away.
4. therefore, I have no gods (I’m an agnostic atheist)
[b]Where in that do I 'deny even the God of nature to exist'?[/b]
[quote]you are not natural but un-natural[/quote]
[b]Define un-natural[/b]
1. there's no proof that gods exist
2. there's no proof that gods don't exist
3. in any event, there’s [b]no compelling necessity[/b] to even postulate gods, and, in any event, the postulation explains nothing (not even itself)... it merely tries to explain everything away.
4. therefore, I have no gods (I’m an agnostic atheist)
[b]Where in that do I 'deny even the God of nature to exist'?[/b]
[quote]you are not natural but un-natural[/quote]
[b]Define un-natural[/b]
DocSavage · M
@BibleData
Chunk head is a troll, he’s claiming a god, but refuses to discuss it. Just demands we accept it. We know he’s an idiot, but we’re game and want to see how far he’ll take it.
Aside from that, in this case , your comments on what can be called a god or why are irrelevant. We’re talking about a physical, supernatural being. Worship/ veneration is not part of the equation.
Chunk head is a troll, he’s claiming a god, but refuses to discuss it. Just demands we accept it. We know he’s an idiot, but we’re game and want to see how far he’ll take it.
Aside from that, in this case , your comments on what can be called a god or why are irrelevant. We’re talking about a physical, supernatural being. Worship/ veneration is not part of the equation.
DocSavage · M
yrge/chunkhead
No we don’t
No we don’t
yrger · 80-89, M
The meaning of un-natural means self-version.
DocSavage · M
[c=359E00]yrge/chunkhead[/c]
[b]No we don’t [/b]
[b]No we don’t [/b]
yrger · 80-89, M
Hi everyone, in particular atheists, I want to tell you all that DocSavage admits his stock of knowledge is depleted, so there is no more need to get anything of knowledge from him.
Addressing now all atheists, please at least one of you come forward and have a one on one exchange of ideas with me on where do we humans ultimately come from.
Hi all viewers of this thread, take notice if any atheist has the intellectual prowess and courage to exchange ideas with me on where do we humans ultimately come from.
[quote]yrger · 80-89, M
@DocSavage
Still you have not explained where you came from ultimately, because your stock of knowledge is depleted.[/quote]
[quote]DocSavage · M
To: yrge/chunkhead
[b][i]No we don’t[/i][/b][/quote][/quote]
Addressing now all atheists, please at least one of you come forward and have a one on one exchange of ideas with me on where do we humans ultimately come from.
Hi all viewers of this thread, take notice if any atheist has the intellectual prowess and courage to exchange ideas with me on where do we humans ultimately come from.
[quote]yrger · 80-89, M
@DocSavage
Still you have not explained where you came from ultimately, because your stock of knowledge is depleted.[/quote]
[quote]DocSavage · M
To: yrge/chunkhead
[b][i]No we don’t[/i][/b][/quote][/quote]
yrger · 80-89, M
@newjaninev2
Okay, you have the intellectual prowess and courage to exchange ideas with me.
From Yrger to Newjaninev2: Tell me where do we humans ultimately come from?
From Newjaninev2 to Yrger: What exactly do you mean by 'ultimately'?
@newjaninev2
I will give you an example anecdote for what is the meaning of ultimately:
[quote]A policeman is chasing a pickpocket thief, but the policeman cannot get to the thief until the thief finally runs into a dead end street.[/quote]
There, that is the meaning of ultimately.
You Newjaninev2 keeps on evading the issue where do you ultimately come from until you finally reach a dead end which is the reality of God's existence, the source of all non-indepenent beings.
Who and what is God?
"God is the permanent self-existent spirit creator and operator of man and the universe and everything transient."
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newjaninev2 · 51-55, F
@yrger
[quote]you have not explained where you came from ultimately[/quote]
Because you did not ask me.
Now, enough of your weasel terms... what exactly do you mean by 'ultimately'?
Okay, you have the intellectual prowess and courage to exchange ideas with me.
From Yrger to Newjaninev2: Tell me where do we humans ultimately come from?
From Newjaninev2 to Yrger: What exactly do you mean by 'ultimately'?
@newjaninev2
I will give you an example anecdote for what is the meaning of ultimately:
[quote]A policeman is chasing a pickpocket thief, but the policeman cannot get to the thief until the thief finally runs into a dead end street.[/quote]
There, that is the meaning of ultimately.
You Newjaninev2 keeps on evading the issue where do you ultimately come from until you finally reach a dead end which is the reality of God's existence, the source of all non-indepenent beings.
Who and what is God?
"God is the permanent self-existent spirit creator and operator of man and the universe and everything transient."
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newjaninev2 · 51-55, F
@yrger
[quote]you have not explained where you came from ultimately[/quote]
Because you did not ask me.
Now, enough of your weasel terms... what exactly do you mean by 'ultimately'?
basilfawlty89 · 31-35, M
Well, that or an acid trip, but you know, you do you.
basilfawlty89 · 31-35, M
@yrger no, you tool. I'm actually honest, unlike you.
No one can 100% with certainty say there is or isn't a God, afterlife, soul, etc. You can believe something, but you can't know for sure until you die.
You, sir, are intellectually dishonest and arrogant.
No one can 100% with certainty say there is or isn't a God, afterlife, soul, etc. You can believe something, but you can't know for sure until you die.
You, sir, are intellectually dishonest and arrogant.
yrger · 80-89, M
@basilfawlty89
You say:
No one can 100% with certainty say there is or isn't a God, afterlife, soul, etc. You can believe something, but you can't know for sure until you die.
Rational intelligent people should know that it is 100% certain God exists, because if God does not exist then we would not be here discussing His existence or non-existence.
For the reality of afterlife, soul, etc - that's optional to every human.
You say:
No one can 100% with certainty say there is or isn't a God, afterlife, soul, etc. You can believe something, but you can't know for sure until you die.
Rational intelligent people should know that it is 100% certain God exists, because if God does not exist then we would not be here discussing His existence or non-existence.
For the reality of afterlife, soul, etc - that's optional to every human.
basilfawlty89 · 31-35, M
@yrger horseshit. Show me how you arrived at those so called axioms. To be cognitive and conscious is to question. To blindly accept is stupidity. What makes you think your God, and not the Muslim, Hindu or Shinto God is the correct one? How do you know God is male? How do you know there are multiple deities.
Show it here with empirical evidence.
Show it here with empirical evidence.
yrger · 80-89, M
@LeopoldBloom
You say, "...there has to be mutual respect and genuine curiosity on their part."
Do you have genuine curiosity to find out where humans ultimately come from?
newjaninev2 · 51-55, F
@yrger Incidentally who you think you are to call me perverted?
Unmitigated arrogance!
LeopoldBloom · M
@newjaninev2 You’re wasting your time with this guy. He makes these pronouncements, and responds with insults if you try to engage him. I’ve had meaningful discussions with religious people, but there has to be mutual respect and genuine curiosity on their part. This guy isn’t even shallow.
You say, "...there has to be mutual respect and genuine curiosity on their part."
Do you have genuine curiosity to find out where humans ultimately come from?
newjaninev2 · 51-55, F
@yrger Incidentally who you think you are to call me perverted?
Unmitigated arrogance!
LeopoldBloom · M
@newjaninev2 You’re wasting your time with this guy. He makes these pronouncements, and responds with insults if you try to engage him. I’ve had meaningful discussions with religious people, but there has to be mutual respect and genuine curiosity on their part. This guy isn’t even shallow.
deadgerbil · 22-25
You talk about God as a singular entity. What about multiple Gods? Why is this limited to monotheism?
deadgerbil · 22-25
@yrger you assert that people come to know of God's existence but are quick to brush aside the existence of other gods, even though their respective religious explanations are just as valid as your own. People who are polytheists can meditate and reason and they have their own sacred texts.
yrger · 80-89, M
@deadgerbil
Just let you give me (a) one other god and (b) the explanation for it is just as valid as the God I know to exist which is the God of nature, here is my idea of the God of nature (as distinct from the God of supernature):
"The God (of nature) is the permanent self-existent spirit creator and operator of man and the universe and everything transient in nature."
Just let you give me (a) one other god and (b) the explanation for it is just as valid as the God I know to exist which is the God of nature, here is my idea of the God of nature (as distinct from the God of supernature):
"The God (of nature) is the permanent self-existent spirit creator and operator of man and the universe and everything transient in nature."
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DDonde · 31-35, M
I am supernatural
yrger · 80-89, M
@DDonde Please identify yourself and your purpose in this thread, are you an atheist or just not intellectually and not intelligently curious about where you ultimately come from?
If you have nothing of anything of pertinent ideas to share with everyone posting here, please don't do it here.
If you have nothing of anything of pertinent ideas to share with everyone posting here, please don't do it here.
yrger · 80-89, M
@newjaninev2
Let's not talk about you being perverted, unless you are into another evasion.
I was thinking that you and I will engage on the issue that ultimately God exists is the only option that the natural reason and intelligence of humans dictates.
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newjaninev2 · 51-55, F
@yrger Incidentally who you think you are to call me perverted?
Let's not talk about you being perverted, unless you are into another evasion.
I was thinking that you and I will engage on the issue that ultimately God exists is the only option that the natural reason and intelligence of humans dictates.
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newjaninev2 · 51-55, F
@yrger Incidentally who you think you are to call me perverted?
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yrger · 80-89, M
@basilfawlty89
I am dealing with the God of nature, here is my idea of the God of nature:
"The God (of nature) is the permanent self-existent spirit creator and operator of man and the universe and everything transient in nature."
Let you bring up one God and give me what is the idea of that God, okay?!
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basilfawlty89 · 31-35, M
@yrger horseshit. Show me how you arrived at those so called axioms. To be cognitive and conscious is to question. To blindly accept is stupidity. What makes you think your God, and not the Muslim, Hindu or Shinto God is the correct one? How do you know God is male? How do you know there are multiple deities.
Show it here with empirical evidence.
I am dealing with the God of nature, here is my idea of the God of nature:
"The God (of nature) is the permanent self-existent spirit creator and operator of man and the universe and everything transient in nature."
Let you bring up one God and give me what is the idea of that God, okay?!
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basilfawlty89 · 31-35, M
@yrger horseshit. Show me how you arrived at those so called axioms. To be cognitive and conscious is to question. To blindly accept is stupidity. What makes you think your God, and not the Muslim, Hindu or Shinto God is the correct one? How do you know God is male? How do you know there are multiple deities.
Show it here with empirical evidence.
yrger · 80-89, M
@basilfawlty89
Where did I say that God is male?
basilfawlty89 · 31-35, M
@yrger horseshit. Show me how you arrived at those so called axioms. To be cognitive and conscious is to question. To blindly accept is stupidity. What makes you think your God, and not the Muslim, Hindu or Shinto God is the correct one? [b][i]How do you know God is male?[/i][/b] How do you know there are multiple deities.
Show it here with empirical evidence.
Where did I say that God is male?
basilfawlty89 · 31-35, M
@yrger horseshit. Show me how you arrived at those so called axioms. To be cognitive and conscious is to question. To blindly accept is stupidity. What makes you think your God, and not the Muslim, Hindu or Shinto God is the correct one? [b][i]How do you know God is male?[/i][/b] How do you know there are multiple deities.
Show it here with empirical evidence.
yrger · 80-89, M
I Yrger am theist and I have an ultimate explanation of how and why humans are existing.
[@atheists]
Addressing atheists, you guys don't have any ultimate explanation of how and why humans are existing.
[@atheists]
Addressing atheists, you guys don't have any ultimate explanation of how and why humans are existing.
newjaninev2 · 56-60, F
@yrger and yet we never see the explanation you claim to have.
I'm starting to think that maybe you're a common, garden-variety, stock-standard, liar.
I'm starting to think that maybe you're a common, garden-variety, stock-standard, liar.
yrger · 80-89, M
@newjaninev2
First we must concur on how to prove something exists.
So, you demand proof, you must know how to prove something exists.
Tell me, okay!?
newjaninev2 · 51-55, F
@yrger and yet we never see the explanation you claim to have.
I'm starting to think that maybe you're a common, garden-variety, stock-standard, liar.
First we must concur on how to prove something exists.
So, you demand proof, you must know how to prove something exists.
Tell me, okay!?
newjaninev2 · 51-55, F
@yrger and yet we never see the explanation you claim to have.
I'm starting to think that maybe you're a common, garden-variety, stock-standard, liar.
yrger · 80-89, M
@DocSavage
@newjaninev2
[@All_atheists]
I am asking newjaninev2 to tell me how to prove something exists, because ultimately theists and atheists must concur on what it is to prove something to exist - otherwise it is a futile labor, as you demand proof and I present proof but you then insist it's not proof, and on and on and on . . .
So, Doc, let you tell me what and how to prove something exists.
And please write without bringing up [i][b]tihs[/b][/i], unless of course you have nothing in your brain but [i][b]tihs[/b][/i] - hehehe.
DocSavage · M
@yrger/chunkhead
Yeah we do, it just doesn’t need a god, nor do we.
@newjaninev2
[@All_atheists]
I am asking newjaninev2 to tell me how to prove something exists, because ultimately theists and atheists must concur on what it is to prove something to exist - otherwise it is a futile labor, as you demand proof and I present proof but you then insist it's not proof, and on and on and on . . .
So, Doc, let you tell me what and how to prove something exists.
And please write without bringing up [i][b]tihs[/b][/i], unless of course you have nothing in your brain but [i][b]tihs[/b][/i] - hehehe.
DocSavage · M
@yrger/chunkhead
Yeah we do, it just doesn’t need a god, nor do we.
DocSavage · M
@yrger[c=009E4F]/chunkhead[/c]
[quote] So, Doc, let you tell me what and how to prove something exists[/quote]
No. You’re a troll. You simply change the context when you can not validate your claim with any evidence. You fall back on “ultimate”
As I stated before, god are manufactured so humans can break their own rules of logic. In short, gods are by nature lies.
[quote] So, Doc, let you tell me what and how to prove something exists[/quote]
No. You’re a troll. You simply change the context when you can not validate your claim with any evidence. You fall back on “ultimate”
As I stated before, god are manufactured so humans can break their own rules of logic. In short, gods are by nature lies.
newjaninev2 · 56-60, F
@yrger [quote]tell me how to prove something exists[/quote]
There's no need
I said there's no proof something exists, and no proof that the same thing doesn't exist.
Why do you keep trying to use disconnected snippets of what is said to you?
Can you only retain one thought at any time? Is that the problem?
We all know that you can;tuse a 'reply' button, so yes, perhaps there really is a little problem here...
There's no need
I said there's no proof something exists, and no proof that the same thing doesn't exist.
Why do you keep trying to use disconnected snippets of what is said to you?
Can you only retain one thought at any time? Is that the problem?
We all know that you can;tuse a 'reply' button, so yes, perhaps there really is a little problem here...
yrger · 80-89, M
@DocSavage
Well, I am now sure, Doc, that you are a coward.
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DocSavage · M
@yrger/chunkhead
[quote]So, Doc, let you tell me what and how to prove something exists[/quote]
No. You’re a troll. You simply change the context when you can not validate your claim with any evidence. You fall back on “ultimate”
As I stated before, god are manufactured so humans can break their own rules of logic. In short, gods are by nature lies.
Well, I am now sure, Doc, that you are a coward.
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DocSavage · M
@yrger/chunkhead
[quote]So, Doc, let you tell me what and how to prove something exists[/quote]
No. You’re a troll. You simply change the context when you can not validate your claim with any evidence. You fall back on “ultimate”
As I stated before, god are manufactured so humans can break their own rules of logic. In short, gods are by nature lies.
@yrger Projecting again?
yrger · 80-89, M
@DocSavage
@newjaninev2
@BibleData
@Emosaur
@LeopoldBloom
@HollyW
[quote] yrger · 80-89, M
I Yrger am theist and I have an ultimate explanation of how and why humans are existing.
@atheists
Addressing atheists, you guys don't have any ultimate explanation of how and why humans are existing.[/quote]
@newjaninev2
@BibleData
@Emosaur
@LeopoldBloom
@HollyW
[quote] yrger · 80-89, M
I Yrger am theist and I have an ultimate explanation of how and why humans are existing.
@atheists
Addressing atheists, you guys don't have any ultimate explanation of how and why humans are existing.[/quote]
yrger · 80-89, M
@DocSavage
God of nature is the God man knows to exist in nature and by his (man's) natural reason and intelligence.
God of supernature is the God man knows to exist by reading the Bible (or the Koran in the case of Muslims).
What's their difference?
With the God of nature, man knows God to exist because He (God) created the material/physical universe in the Big Bang.
With the God of supernature, man reads in the Bible that God works miracles like making the sun to stop moving.
I define the God of nature thus:
"The God (of nature) is the permanent self-existent spirit creator and operator of man and the universe and everything transient in nature."
What about you, Doc?
Which God do you deny to exist and how and why?
God of nature is the God man knows to exist in nature and by his (man's) natural reason and intelligence.
God of supernature is the God man knows to exist by reading the Bible (or the Koran in the case of Muslims).
What's their difference?
With the God of nature, man knows God to exist because He (God) created the material/physical universe in the Big Bang.
With the God of supernature, man reads in the Bible that God works miracles like making the sun to stop moving.
I define the God of nature thus:
"The God (of nature) is the permanent self-existent spirit creator and operator of man and the universe and everything transient in nature."
What about you, Doc?
Which God do you deny to exist and how and why?
DocSavage · M
@yrger[c=009E4F]/chunkhead[/c]
Both. If it will help clarify my position once and for all, I deny the existence of either and /or both. You seem to believe that there no such thing as real Atheists, that deep down inside, we know there is a creator. That is not true. A left over from two thousand years of cultural tradition. It is possible to consciously reject the belief. Logic, reason, science, history , all deny the belief. Accepting reality, and believing in the human spirit along with its flaws and limitations is far more satisfying . People have always given god too much credit.
Both. If it will help clarify my position once and for all, I deny the existence of either and /or both. You seem to believe that there no such thing as real Atheists, that deep down inside, we know there is a creator. That is not true. A left over from two thousand years of cultural tradition. It is possible to consciously reject the belief. Logic, reason, science, history , all deny the belief. Accepting reality, and believing in the human spirit along with its flaws and limitations is far more satisfying . People have always given god too much credit.
yrger · 80-89, M
@CorvusBlackthorne
Where have you been?
See if you can explain or not why ultimately there is a self-existent being in the realm of reality.
If you are so timid to think on that, then see if you can think over this statement:
The default status of reality is existence, yes or no.
CorvusBlackthorne · 46-50, M
@yrger Projecting again?
Where have you been?
See if you can explain or not why ultimately there is a self-existent being in the realm of reality.
If you are so timid to think on that, then see if you can think over this statement:
The default status of reality is existence, yes or no.
CorvusBlackthorne · 46-50, M
@yrger Projecting again?
yrger · 80-89, M
@DocSavage
@newjaninev2
@BibleData
@Emosaur
@LeopoldBloom
@HollyW
Hi all ye atheists (including anyone else not vocally an atheist but with an atheistic attitude), did your mother love you, or you love your mother, or best there has always been love between mother and child.
Think on this ancient verity:
"Of who the mother, there can't be no doubt, of the father nothing certain."
Think about that.
PS to Doc, tihs - hahahaha, his favorite diet.
@newjaninev2
@BibleData
@Emosaur
@LeopoldBloom
@HollyW
Hi all ye atheists (including anyone else not vocally an atheist but with an atheistic attitude), did your mother love you, or you love your mother, or best there has always been love between mother and child.
Think on this ancient verity:
"Of who the mother, there can't be no doubt, of the father nothing certain."
Think about that.
PS to Doc, tihs - hahahaha, his favorite diet.
newjaninev2 · 56-60, F
@yrger [b]an atheistic attitude[/b]
What's an 'atheistic attitude'?
and what's the point of what you just posted?
What's an 'atheistic attitude'?
and what's the point of what you just posted?
yrger · 80-89, M
@newjaninev2
Don't play dumb.
newjaninev2 · 51-55, F
@yrger an atheistic attitude
What's an 'atheistic attitude'?
and what's the point of what you just posted?
Don't play dumb.
newjaninev2 · 51-55, F
@yrger an atheistic attitude
What's an 'atheistic attitude'?
and what's the point of what you just posted?
newjaninev2 · 56-60, F
@yrger So you use the term 'atheistic attitude' and yet you have no idea what it means?? 😂 😂
yrger · 80-89, M
@DocSavage
@newjaninev2
@BibleData
@Emosaur
@LeopoldBloom
@HollyW
Don't play dummies, if you think you can get away with feigning ignoramuses, best you live among cattle, and donkeys, and frogs.
Hi all ye atheists (including anyone else not vocally an atheist but with an atheistic attitude), did your mother love you, or you love your mother, or best there has always been love between mother and child.
Think on this ancient verity:
"Of who the mother, there can't be no doubt, of the father nothing certain."
Think about that.
PS to Doc, tihs - hahahaha, his favorite diet.
@newjaninev2
@BibleData
@Emosaur
@LeopoldBloom
@HollyW
Don't play dummies, if you think you can get away with feigning ignoramuses, best you live among cattle, and donkeys, and frogs.
Hi all ye atheists (including anyone else not vocally an atheist but with an atheistic attitude), did your mother love you, or you love your mother, or best there has always been love between mother and child.
Think on this ancient verity:
"Of who the mother, there can't be no doubt, of the father nothing certain."
Think about that.
PS to Doc, tihs - hahahaha, his favorite diet.
Thodsis · 51-55, M
Not again? :)
yrger · 80-89, M
@DocSavage
God of nature is the God man knows to exist in nature and by his (man's) natural reason and intelligence.
God of supernature is the God man knows to exist by reading the Bible (or the Koran in the case of Muslims).
What's their difference?
With the God of nature, man knows God to exist because He (God) created the material/physical universe in the Big Bang.
With the God of supernature, man reads in the Bible that God works miracles like making the sun (earth) to stop moving.
I define the God of nature thus:
"The God (of nature) is the permanent self-existent spirit creator and operator of man and the universe and everything transient in nature."
What about you, Doc?
Which God do you deny to exist and how and why?
God of nature is the God man knows to exist in nature and by his (man's) natural reason and intelligence.
God of supernature is the God man knows to exist by reading the Bible (or the Koran in the case of Muslims).
What's their difference?
With the God of nature, man knows God to exist because He (God) created the material/physical universe in the Big Bang.
With the God of supernature, man reads in the Bible that God works miracles like making the sun (earth) to stop moving.
I define the God of nature thus:
"The God (of nature) is the permanent self-existent spirit creator and operator of man and the universe and everything transient in nature."
What about you, Doc?
Which God do you deny to exist and how and why?
newjaninev2 · 56-60, F
@yrger created the material/physical universe in the Big Bang
I have already explained to you that the Big Bang was not the beginning of the universe.
However, you maintain your delusion by pretending not to understand that simple reality.
here it is again:
The Big Bang was the beginning of expansion of a universe [b][i]that already existed.[/i][/b]
Now ignore that simple reality and go back to your deluded rantings.
I have already explained to you that the Big Bang was not the beginning of the universe.
However, you maintain your delusion by pretending not to understand that simple reality.
here it is again:
The Big Bang was the beginning of expansion of a universe [b][i]that already existed.[/i][/b]
Now ignore that simple reality and go back to your deluded rantings.
newjaninev2 · 56-60, F
@yrger [quote]making the sun (earth) to stop moving[/quote]
Oh, you're always good for a laugh!
The Bronze Age goat-herders who made up that fable thought that the Sun orbited the Earth (and they didn't know where the Sun went at night! 😂 )
We now know that the Earth Orbits the Sun.
Therefore in the fable the Earth would need to be what stood still. (that's why suddenly the deluded have started writing 'sun (earth)'... because even the gullible can work out that simple reality, and the con artists have started having problems selling their scam.
The speed of Earth's orbit is 107,000 kilometres per hour. Bring that to an instantaneous halt and everything living thing on the planet is instantaneously dead.
Strange we didn't spot that 😂 😂
Oh, you're always good for a laugh!
The Bronze Age goat-herders who made up that fable thought that the Sun orbited the Earth (and they didn't know where the Sun went at night! 😂 )
We now know that the Earth Orbits the Sun.
Therefore in the fable the Earth would need to be what stood still. (that's why suddenly the deluded have started writing 'sun (earth)'... because even the gullible can work out that simple reality, and the con artists have started having problems selling their scam.
The speed of Earth's orbit is 107,000 kilometres per hour. Bring that to an instantaneous halt and everything living thing on the planet is instantaneously dead.
Strange we didn't spot that 😂 😂
yrger · 80-89, M
@DocSavage
@newjaninev2
@BibleData
@Emosaur
@LeopoldBloom
@HollyW
You newjaninev2 say "The Big Bang was the beginning of expansion of a universe that already existed.
Now ignore that simple reality and go back to your deluded rantings."
I ask you newjaninev2, ultimately what being created the universe, or you claim that the universe created itself from nothing?
@newjaninev2
@BibleData
@Emosaur
@LeopoldBloom
@HollyW
You newjaninev2 say "The Big Bang was the beginning of expansion of a universe that already existed.
Now ignore that simple reality and go back to your deluded rantings."
I ask you newjaninev2, ultimately what being created the universe, or you claim that the universe created itself from nothing?
newjaninev2 · 56-60, F
@yrger [b]if you claim a being created the universe - what created that being?[/b]
can't answer, huh?
Nothing to say?
Try answering a question with a direct answer for once.
[b]if you claim a being created the universe - what created that being?[/b]
can't answer, huh?
Nothing to say?
Try answering a question with a direct answer for once.
[b]if you claim a being created the universe - what created that being?[/b]
newjaninev2 · 56-60, F
@yrger So much for your unsupported and unnecessary postulations about a god
yrger · 80-89, M
@DocSavage
@newjaninev2
@BibleData
@Emosaur
@LeopoldBloom
@HollyW
Hi newjaninev2, you ask me, "if you claim a being created it - what created that being?"
I tell you, ultimately it is God.
newjaninev2 · 51-55, F
@yrger if you claim a being created it - what created that being?
@newjaninev2
@BibleData
@Emosaur
@LeopoldBloom
@HollyW
Hi newjaninev2, you ask me, "if you claim a being created it - what created that being?"
I tell you, ultimately it is God.
newjaninev2 · 51-55, F
@yrger if you claim a being created it - what created that being?
yrger · 80-89, M
@DocSavage
@newjaninev2
@BibleData
@Emosaur
@LeopoldBloom
@HollyW
Hi Doc and Hi newj, I tell you two and all atheists that it is ultimately God Who created everything that is not existing independently.
DocSavage · M
@newjaninev2 carefull
Last post, he asked me who created god, I answered it, he then told me to go jump in the lake, and stop messing with his thread.
@newjaninev2
@BibleData
@Emosaur
@LeopoldBloom
@HollyW
Hi Doc and Hi newj, I tell you two and all atheists that it is ultimately God Who created everything that is not existing independently.
DocSavage · M
@newjaninev2 carefull
Last post, he asked me who created god, I answered it, he then told me to go jump in the lake, and stop messing with his thread.
yrger · 80-89, M
@DocSavage
Hi Doc, are you claiming that ultimately humans came from nothingness, yes or no?
@newjaninev2
@BibleData
@Emosaur
@LeopoldBloom
@HollyW
Hi Doc, are you claiming that ultimately humans came from nothingness, yes or no?
@newjaninev2
@BibleData
@Emosaur
@LeopoldBloom
@HollyW
DocSavage · M
@yrger[c=009E4F]/chunkhead[/c]
[quote] God Who created everything that is not existing independently. [/quote]
[b]SO, YOU NOW CLAIM THAT THINGS AND PEOPLE EXIST INDEPENDENT OF GOD [/b]
that’s twice you fucked it up. The universe “ultimately” doesn’t need a creator. It’s self existing. No god of any kind . We win - you lose.
[quote] God Who created everything that is not existing independently. [/quote]
[b]SO, YOU NOW CLAIM THAT THINGS AND PEOPLE EXIST INDEPENDENT OF GOD [/b]
that’s twice you fucked it up. The universe “ultimately” doesn’t need a creator. It’s self existing. No god of any kind . We win - you lose.
yrger · 80-89, M
@DocSavage
@newjaninev2
@BibleData
@Emosaur
@LeopoldBloom
@HollyW
You Doc say: "Assume for the moment that there is no god, it all myth.
Is the universe, with all its infinite wonder and life any less incredible ?
On that assumption from you, I tell you that ultimately you are claiming that the unverse came from nothingness.
Supposing that ultimately there is no permanent self-existent creator of everything that not independently existing, then we would not be here discussing God exists or not.
DocSavage · M
@yrger /chunkhead
Atheist to theist, answer this simple question : Assume for the moment that there is no god, it all myth.
Is the universe, with all its infinite wonder and life any less incredible ?
@newjaninev2
@BibleData
@Emosaur
@LeopoldBloom
@HollyW
You Doc say: "Assume for the moment that there is no god, it all myth.
Is the universe, with all its infinite wonder and life any less incredible ?
On that assumption from you, I tell you that ultimately you are claiming that the unverse came from nothingness.
Supposing that ultimately there is no permanent self-existent creator of everything that not independently existing, then we would not be here discussing God exists or not.
DocSavage · M
@yrger /chunkhead
Atheist to theist, answer this simple question : Assume for the moment that there is no god, it all myth.
Is the universe, with all its infinite wonder and life any less incredible ?
DocSavage · M
@yrger[c=009E4F]/chunkhead[/c]
That is exactly what I’m saying. You seem to be having a problem with the idea that something can self exist. As I have repeatedly said. God is a catalyst .if the universe was a self existing singularity, something caused it to expand. There no need for that something to be permanent. Nor for it to be living and self aware. You claim your nature god is different from the traditional supernatural gods, of myth and legends ( real or not ) but can you really think outside the box ? Or are you just too afraid to imagine we’re on our own ? That there’s no one at the driving wheel ?
I’m not. I enjoy it.
That is exactly what I’m saying. You seem to be having a problem with the idea that something can self exist. As I have repeatedly said. God is a catalyst .if the universe was a self existing singularity, something caused it to expand. There no need for that something to be permanent. Nor for it to be living and self aware. You claim your nature god is different from the traditional supernatural gods, of myth and legends ( real or not ) but can you really think outside the box ? Or are you just too afraid to imagine we’re on our own ? That there’s no one at the driving wheel ?
I’m not. I enjoy it.
yrger · 80-89, M
@DocSavage
@newjaninev2
@BibleData
@Emosaur
@LeopoldBloom
@HollyW
Hi atheists here, I don't seem to read any reply from you all to my latest post.
Anyway, tell me, what is your ultimate explanation of how and why we humans are existing.
If you Doc had replied to my latest post, please write now and indicate that you are aswering my latest post, cite my latest post and re-act to the substance of my latest post, okay?
@newjaninev2
@BibleData
@Emosaur
@LeopoldBloom
@HollyW
Hi atheists here, I don't seem to read any reply from you all to my latest post.
Anyway, tell me, what is your ultimate explanation of how and why we humans are existing.
If you Doc had replied to my latest post, please write now and indicate that you are aswering my latest post, cite my latest post and re-act to the substance of my latest post, okay?
LeopoldBloom · M
@yrger How humans are existing: I assume you meant what the origin of life is. Life developed from abiotic precursors that gained in complexity through natural selection, as the structures that were able to self-replicate did so and perpetuated themselves.
There is no reason why humans exist. Or we exist for whatever reason works best for you. All value judgments originate with us.
There is no reason why humans exist. Or we exist for whatever reason works best for you. All value judgments originate with us.
yrger · 80-89, M
@LeopoldBloom
Hi Leop, you don't seem to link to the question what is the ultimate cause of man's existence.
Tell me how you understand these words: "what is the ultimate cause of man's existence."
Imagine that you are into an essay type university level examination of language comprehension, and the topic you are to write on in 50 words or less, is as follows:
"On the ultimate cause of man's existence."
@DocSavage
@newjaninev2
@BibleData
@Emosaur
@LeopoldBloom
@HollyW
LeopoldBloom · M
@yrger How humans are existing: I assume you meant what the origin of life is. Life developed from abiotic precursors that gained in complexity through natural selection, as the structures that were able to self-replicate did so and perpetuated themselves.
There is no reason why humans exist. Or we exist for whatever reason works best for you. All value judgments originate with us.
Hi Leop, you don't seem to link to the question what is the ultimate cause of man's existence.
Tell me how you understand these words: "what is the ultimate cause of man's existence."
Imagine that you are into an essay type university level examination of language comprehension, and the topic you are to write on in 50 words or less, is as follows:
"On the ultimate cause of man's existence."
@DocSavage
@newjaninev2
@BibleData
@Emosaur
@LeopoldBloom
@HollyW
LeopoldBloom · M
@yrger How humans are existing: I assume you meant what the origin of life is. Life developed from abiotic precursors that gained in complexity through natural selection, as the structures that were able to self-replicate did so and perpetuated themselves.
There is no reason why humans exist. Or we exist for whatever reason works best for you. All value judgments originate with us.
DocSavage · M
[quote] You Doc say: "Assume for the moment that there is no god, it all myth.
Is the universe, with all its infinite wonder and life any less incredible ?
On that assumption from you, I tell you that ultimately you are claiming that the unverse came from nothingness.
Supposing that ultimately there is no permanent self-existent creator of everything that not independently existing, then we would not be here discussing God exists or not.
[/quote]
Finally got my answer through that thick bone plating between your ears ! About fucking time !
Still didn’t answer the question. You called me a coward. I don’t need to have a god watching my back. Do you ?
Is the universe, with all its infinite wonder and life any less incredible ?
On that assumption from you, I tell you that ultimately you are claiming that the unverse came from nothingness.
Supposing that ultimately there is no permanent self-existent creator of everything that not independently existing, then we would not be here discussing God exists or not.
[/quote]
Finally got my answer through that thick bone plating between your ears ! About fucking time !
Still didn’t answer the question. You called me a coward. I don’t need to have a god watching my back. Do you ?
yrger · 80-89, M
@DocSavage
You say "God is a catalyst ."
In which case, please define what is utlimately a catalyst-God: in not more than 50 words.
@DocSavage
@newjaninev2
@BibleData
@Emosaur
@LeopoldBloom
@HollyW
DocSavage · M
@yrger/chunkhead
That is exactly what I’m saying. You seem to be having a problem with the idea that something can self exist. As I have repeatedly said. God is a catalyst .if the universe was a self existing singularity, something caused it to expand. There no need for that something to be permanent. Nor for it to be living and self aware. You claim your nature god is different from the traditional supernatural gods, of myth and legends ( real or not ) but can you really think outside the box ? Or are you just too afraid to imagine we’re on our own ? That there’s no one at the driving wheel ?
I’m not. I enjoy it.
You say "God is a catalyst ."
In which case, please define what is utlimately a catalyst-God: in not more than 50 words.
@DocSavage
@newjaninev2
@BibleData
@Emosaur
@LeopoldBloom
@HollyW
DocSavage · M
@yrger/chunkhead
That is exactly what I’m saying. You seem to be having a problem with the idea that something can self exist. As I have repeatedly said. God is a catalyst .if the universe was a self existing singularity, something caused it to expand. There no need for that something to be permanent. Nor for it to be living and self aware. You claim your nature god is different from the traditional supernatural gods, of myth and legends ( real or not ) but can you really think outside the box ? Or are you just too afraid to imagine we’re on our own ? That there’s no one at the driving wheel ?
I’m not. I enjoy it.
DocSavage · M
yrger · 80-89, M
@DocSavage
Well, hi Doc, I am still waiting to read your definition of the ultimately catalyst-God: in not more than 50 words.
@newjaninev2
@BibleData
@Emosaur
@LeopoldBloom
@HollyW
yrger · 80-89, M
@DocSavage
You say "God is a catalyst ."
In which case, please define what is utlimately a catalyst-God: in not more than 50 words.
Well, hi Doc, I am still waiting to read your definition of the ultimately catalyst-God: in not more than 50 words.
@newjaninev2
@BibleData
@Emosaur
@LeopoldBloom
@HollyW
yrger · 80-89, M
@DocSavage
You say "God is a catalyst ."
In which case, please define what is utlimately a catalyst-God: in not more than 50 words.
yrger · 80-89, M
@DocSavage
Hi Doc, you can craft words like "God is a catalyst."
But you always neglect to go outside the words inside your mind, to search for evidence in the objective world independent of your mind, evidence for the concrete reality of the Catalyst-God.
Hi everyone with reason and intelligence, atheists are full of ideas inside their mind, but never doing anything like going forth into the objective world of reality to search for concrete evidence to the for example existence of the Catalyst-God.
They harbor ideas about fallacies, but they never take the challenge to present examples of fallacies in the real life of humans outside and independent of words inside their mind, for example, the socalled fallacy of circular thinking.
Okay, atheists, give a concrete example of circular acting representing your fallacy of circular thinking - in the real world of people and actions.
@newjaninev2
@BibleData
@Emosaur
@LeopoldBloom
@HollyW
DocSavage · M
@yrger/chunkhead
50 words ? How about just two : BLOW ME
That’s Check Mate again. I answered your “ultimate” question.
Already gave the details. You can keep pretending, but you’re not fooling anyone. I win - you lose.
Hi Doc, you can craft words like "God is a catalyst."
But you always neglect to go outside the words inside your mind, to search for evidence in the objective world independent of your mind, evidence for the concrete reality of the Catalyst-God.
Hi everyone with reason and intelligence, atheists are full of ideas inside their mind, but never doing anything like going forth into the objective world of reality to search for concrete evidence to the for example existence of the Catalyst-God.
They harbor ideas about fallacies, but they never take the challenge to present examples of fallacies in the real life of humans outside and independent of words inside their mind, for example, the socalled fallacy of circular thinking.
Okay, atheists, give a concrete example of circular acting representing your fallacy of circular thinking - in the real world of people and actions.
@newjaninev2
@BibleData
@Emosaur
@LeopoldBloom
@HollyW
DocSavage · M
@yrger/chunkhead
50 words ? How about just two : BLOW ME
That’s Check Mate again. I answered your “ultimate” question.
Already gave the details. You can keep pretending, but you’re not fooling anyone. I win - you lose.
yrger · 80-89, M
@DocSavage
Tell me, Doc, is this equation from you correct:
[quote]God Who created everything that is not existing independently -Yrger[/quote]
equals
[quote]SO, YOU NOW CLAIM THAT THINGS AND PEOPLE EXIST INDEPENDENT OF GOD -Doc.[/quote]
@DocSavage
@newjaninev2
@BibleData
@Emosaur
@LeopoldBloom
@HollyW
DocSavage · M
@yrger/chunkhead
[quote]God Who created everything that is not existing independently.[/quote]
[quote]SO, YOU NOW CLAIM THAT THINGS AND PEOPLE EXIST INDEPENDENT OF GOD[/quote]
that’s twice you fucked it up. The universe “ultimately” doesn’t need a creator. It’s self existing. No god of any kind . We win - you lose.
Tell me, Doc, is this equation from you correct:
[quote]God Who created everything that is not existing independently -Yrger[/quote]
equals
[quote]SO, YOU NOW CLAIM THAT THINGS AND PEOPLE EXIST INDEPENDENT OF GOD -Doc.[/quote]
@DocSavage
@newjaninev2
@BibleData
@Emosaur
@LeopoldBloom
@HollyW
DocSavage · M
@yrger/chunkhead
[quote]God Who created everything that is not existing independently.[/quote]
[quote]SO, YOU NOW CLAIM THAT THINGS AND PEOPLE EXIST INDEPENDENT OF GOD[/quote]
that’s twice you fucked it up. The universe “ultimately” doesn’t need a creator. It’s self existing. No god of any kind . We win - you lose.
yrger · 80-89, M
@DocSavage
@newjaninev2
@BibleData
@Emosaur
@LeopoldBloom
@HollyW
Hi all atheists, you are asking me what is the meaning of the word, [b][i]ultimately[/i][/b].
It means finally.
W humans know that different kinds of beings in the material-physical universe came into existence in time and in space in succeeding situations.
For example, we came from our parents and our parents from their parents and on and on and on . . .
Regressing further and further into the past, we finally arrive at what I call [b][i]ultimately[/i][/b] the permanent self-existent reality that is the source of all not-self-existent beings.
With you atheists, you ultimately arrive at nothingness which to you is the final situation of all things in the material-physical universe.
And that is a most absolutely absurd status.
@newjaninev2
@BibleData
@Emosaur
@LeopoldBloom
@HollyW
Hi all atheists, you are asking me what is the meaning of the word, [b][i]ultimately[/i][/b].
It means finally.
W humans know that different kinds of beings in the material-physical universe came into existence in time and in space in succeeding situations.
For example, we came from our parents and our parents from their parents and on and on and on . . .
Regressing further and further into the past, we finally arrive at what I call [b][i]ultimately[/i][/b] the permanent self-existent reality that is the source of all not-self-existent beings.
With you atheists, you ultimately arrive at nothingness which to you is the final situation of all things in the material-physical universe.
And that is a most absolutely absurd status.
newjaninev2 · 56-60, F
@yrger [quote]You are asking me what is the meaning of the word, [b][i]ultimately[/i][/b][/quote]
[b]No, I'm not[/b]
I'm not asking you any such thing
Why are you trying to answer a question I haven't asked you?
Here's the question I have been asking you
[b]If you claim a being created the universe - what created that being?[/b]
I keep asking you that simple question... [i]and you keep running away and hiding[/i]
Are you that frightened of me?
Seriously?
This is farcical.
[b]No, I'm not[/b]
I'm not asking you any such thing
Why are you trying to answer a question I haven't asked you?
Here's the question I have been asking you
[b]If you claim a being created the universe - what created that being?[/b]
I keep asking you that simple question... [i]and you keep running away and hiding[/i]
Are you that frightened of me?
Seriously?
This is farcical.
yrger · 80-89, M
@newjaninev2
Hi Newj, you ask me, "If you claim a being created the universe - what created that being?"
Let me see if you do serious thinking instead of vacuous words-crafting.
Here, you must have an answer of sorts to your own question addessed to me, otherwise we will never get to arrive at the answer that we should accept to be correct, according to serious thinking, instead of your vacuous words-crafting.
Let me now read your reaction.
@DocSavage
@newjaninev2
@BibleData
@Emosaur
@LeopoldBloom
@HollyW
[quote] newjaninev2 · 51-55, F
@yrger
You are asking me what is the meaning of the word, ultimately
No, I'm not
I'm not asking you any such thing
Why are you trying to answer a question I haven't asked you?
Here's the question I have been asking you
[b][i]If you claim a being created the universe - what created that being?
[/i][/b]
I keep asking you that simple question... and you keep running away and hiding
Are you that frightened of me?
Seriously?
This is farcical.
[/quote]
Hi Newj, you ask me, "If you claim a being created the universe - what created that being?"
Let me see if you do serious thinking instead of vacuous words-crafting.
Here, you must have an answer of sorts to your own question addessed to me, otherwise we will never get to arrive at the answer that we should accept to be correct, according to serious thinking, instead of your vacuous words-crafting.
Let me now read your reaction.
@DocSavage
@newjaninev2
@BibleData
@Emosaur
@LeopoldBloom
@HollyW
[quote] newjaninev2 · 51-55, F
@yrger
You are asking me what is the meaning of the word, ultimately
No, I'm not
I'm not asking you any such thing
Why are you trying to answer a question I haven't asked you?
Here's the question I have been asking you
[b][i]If you claim a being created the universe - what created that being?
[/i][/b]
I keep asking you that simple question... and you keep running away and hiding
Are you that frightened of me?
Seriously?
This is farcical.
[/quote]
yrger · 80-89, M
@BibleData
Di newj reply to your post below?*
@newjaninev2
Now you have to say something stupid with the degree of arrogance necessary to make it seem as if it were intelligent. Go ahead. -Theo
[quote]*TheoreticSkeptic · M
@newjaninev2 Okay, let's go over the part you are avoiding.
1. there's no proof that gods exist
Proof: evidence or argument establishing or helping to establish a fact or the truth of a statement.
Truth: a fact or belief that is accepted as true.
Gods: In Christianity, the creator and ruler of the universe; supreme being and source of all moral authority.
One having power over nature and human fortunes. An idol or the conventional personification of fate.
An adored, admired or influential person or anything given supreme importance. Money, for example.
A god can be a gallery, that is, the upper balcony in a theater or the people seated there.
You said there's no proof gods exist. I've showed you that a god can be a person, an idol made of metal, wood, stone or anything given supreme importance. Money, food, etc.
I've proved gods exist because we all know those things exist.
Now you have to say something stupid with the degree of arrogance necessary to make it seem as if it were intelligent. Go ahead.[/quote]
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Di newj reply to your post below?*
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Now you have to say something stupid with the degree of arrogance necessary to make it seem as if it were intelligent. Go ahead. -Theo
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@newjaninev2 Okay, let's go over the part you are avoiding.
1. there's no proof that gods exist
Proof: evidence or argument establishing or helping to establish a fact or the truth of a statement.
Truth: a fact or belief that is accepted as true.
Gods: In Christianity, the creator and ruler of the universe; supreme being and source of all moral authority.
One having power over nature and human fortunes. An idol or the conventional personification of fate.
An adored, admired or influential person or anything given supreme importance. Money, for example.
A god can be a gallery, that is, the upper balcony in a theater or the people seated there.
You said there's no proof gods exist. I've showed you that a god can be a person, an idol made of metal, wood, stone or anything given supreme importance. Money, food, etc.
I've proved gods exist because we all know those things exist.
Now you have to say something stupid with the degree of arrogance necessary to make it seem as if it were intelligent. Go ahead.[/quote]
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yrger · 80-89, M
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I am Yrger the theist here and author of the present thread, "[i][b]Rational intelligent thinking brings man to the God of nature[/b][/i]."
What is nature?
Answer:
[quote]The phenomena of the physical world collectively, including plants, animals, the landscape, and other features and products of the earth, as opposed to humans or human creations.
"the breathtaking beauty of nature"
[b][i]Cfr.[/i][/b] https://www.google.com/search?client=firefox-b-d&q=define+nnature[/quote]
Here is what I think why atheists do not know the God of nature, simple: because they are un-natural.
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I am Yrger the theist here and author of the present thread, "[i][b]Rational intelligent thinking brings man to the God of nature[/b][/i]."
What is nature?
Answer:
[quote]The phenomena of the physical world collectively, including plants, animals, the landscape, and other features and products of the earth, as opposed to humans or human creations.
"the breathtaking beauty of nature"
[b][i]Cfr.[/i][/b] https://www.google.com/search?client=firefox-b-d&q=define+nnature[/quote]
Here is what I think why atheists do not know the God of nature, simple: because they are un-natural.
newjaninev2 · 56-60, F
@yrger [quote]You are asking me what is the meaning of the word, ultimately [/quote]
No, I'm not
[b]I'm not asking you any such thing[/b]
[i]Why are you trying to answer a question I haven't asked you?[/i]
Here's the question I have been asking you
[b]If you claim a being created the universe - what created that being?[/b]
I keep asking you that simple question... and you keep running away and hiding
Are you that frightened of me?
Seriously?
This is farcical.
No, I'm not
[b]I'm not asking you any such thing[/b]
[i]Why are you trying to answer a question I haven't asked you?[/i]
Here's the question I have been asking you
[b]If you claim a being created the universe - what created that being?[/b]
I keep asking you that simple question... and you keep running away and hiding
Are you that frightened of me?
Seriously?
This is farcical.
yrger · 80-89, M
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Please explain where you ultimately came from, and don't hide under the bed with "I don't know." That means in effect you should not be in a forum.
And also don't ask me instead of answering me, asking me a question in order to evade the issue where you ultimately come from.
I tell you for myself the theist here, ultimately I came from God.
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Please explain where you ultimately came from, and don't hide under the bed with "I don't know." That means in effect you should not be in a forum.
And also don't ask me instead of answering me, asking me a question in order to evade the issue where you ultimately come from.
I tell you for myself the theist here, ultimately I came from God.
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yrger · 80-89, M
I am Yrger the theist and here is my definition of the God of nature:
"The God (of nature) is the permanent self-existent spirit creator and operator of man and the universe and everything transient in nature."
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Here is my definition of the God of nature:
"The God (of nature) is the permanent self-existent spirit creator and operator of man and the universe and everything transient in nature."
"The God (of nature) is the permanent self-existent spirit creator and operator of man and the universe and everything transient in nature."
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Here is my definition of the God of nature:
"The God (of nature) is the permanent self-existent spirit creator and operator of man and the universe and everything transient in nature."
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