Rational intelligent thinking brings man to the God of nature.

There are three ways man comes to know God exists:
1. By reasoning
2. By reading the Bible (for Muslims, the Koran)
3. By meditation

I come to know God exists by num 1 i.e. reasoning, but it is the God of nature, that means that God created everything that man encounters in nature, and that by man's natural reason and intelligence.

What about you atheists? You should be able to come to the God of nature, because you have from nature the faculty of reason and of intelligence.

The explanation why you deny even the God of nature to exist, is because you are not natural but un-natural.

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yrger · 80-89, M

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[quote] yrger · 80-89, M

I Yrger am theist and I have an ultimate explanation of how and why humans are existing.

@atheists

Addressing atheists, you guys don't have any ultimate explanation of how and why humans are existing.[/quote]

DocSavage · M

@yrger[c=009E4F]/chunkhead[/c]

Who created your two gods ? Who or what is the ultimate explanation of god both nature and super nature ?

yrger · 80-89, M

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God of nature is the God man knows to exist in nature and by his (man's) natural reason and intelligence.

God of supernature is the God man knows to exist by reading the Bible (or the Koran in the case of Muslims).

What's their difference?

With the God of nature, man knows God to exist because He (God) created the material/physical universe in the Big Bang.

With the God of supernature, man reads in the Bible that God works miracles like making the sun to stop moving.

I define the God of nature thus:
"The God (of nature) is the permanent self-existent spirit creator and operator of man and the universe and everything transient in nature."

What about you, Doc?

Which God do you deny to exist and how and why?

DocSavage · M

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Both. If it will help clarify my position once and for all, I deny the existence of either and /or both. You seem to believe that there no such thing as real Atheists, that deep down inside, we know there is a creator. That is not true. A left over from two thousand years of cultural tradition. It is possible to consciously reject the belief. Logic, reason, science, history , all deny the belief. Accepting reality, and believing in the human spirit along with its flaws and limitations is far more satisfying . People have always given god too much credit.