Rational intelligent thinking brings man to the God of nature.

There are three ways man comes to know God exists:
1. By reasoning
2. By reading the Bible (for Muslims, the Koran)
3. By meditation

I come to know God exists by num 1 i.e. reasoning, but it is the God of nature, that means that God created everything that man encounters in nature, and that by man's natural reason and intelligence.

What about you atheists? You should be able to come to the God of nature, because you have from nature the faculty of reason and of intelligence.

The explanation why you deny even the God of nature to exist, is because you are not natural but un-natural.

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yrger · 80-89, M

@newjaninev2

Okay, you have the intellectual prowess and courage to exchange ideas with me.

From Yrger to Newjaninev2: Tell me where do we humans ultimately come from?
From Newjaninev2 to Yrger: What exactly do you mean by 'ultimately'?

@newjaninev2

I will give you an example anecdote for what is the meaning of ultimately:
[quote]A policeman is chasing a pickpocket thief, but the policeman cannot get to the thief until the thief finally runs into a dead end street.[/quote]

There, that is the meaning of ultimately.

You Newjaninev2 keeps on evading the issue where do you ultimately come from until you finally reach a dead end which is the reality of God's existence, the source of all non-indepenent beings.

Who and what is God?
"God is the permanent self-existent spirit creator and operator of man and the universe and everything transient."

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newjaninev2 · 51-55, F
@yrger
[quote]you have not explained where you came from ultimately[/quote]

Because you did not ask me.

Now, enough of your weasel terms... what exactly do you mean by 'ultimately'?