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I Got The Cane Or Slipper In The Sixth Form

I was caned twice during my sixth form years in the early 1960s, once for skipping school and smoking and once for an offence which embarrassed the Headmistress – an agonising six of the best on both occasions. At my school the girl’s age seemed irrelevant when she was to be disciplined. It was entirely the nature and seriousness of your offence that determined your punishment. It mattered not whether you were a trembling 11 year old or a hardened sixth former - a caning offence was a caning offence. The only thing that changed was that the canings became more severe as you got older. The other change of course was that as you matured and became more worldly-wise, you were much more careful to stick to the rules (a plus in favour of corporal punishment) but equally rather more careful to avoid being caught when you did misbehave. So from memory, there was a significant decline in the frequency of canings as we progressed, and by sixth form, it was becoming much more of an ‘event’ when one of us was caned.

Few, if any, of the girls would have avoided the cane in their seven years at the school, but I think only a minority of us sixth-formers got the cane.
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Subsumedpat · 36-40, M
Cane is really bad, bites so deep and stings so hard.
@Subsumedpat You're right, it stings like Hell. My sisters, wife and I had it several times.
LAURAJAYNE1 · 26-30, F
The cane was abolished at school but the teachers would phone our parents if we were naughty and i know some parents caned.
huggy001 · 56-60, M
@SensibleJulie i know just making a point ,though a caned bottom would help me even now
huggy001 · 56-60, M
@huggy001 pity i can't find a willing female to cane me
huggy001 · 56-60, M
@huggy001 Would you cane a male bottom
lancashirelady50 · 70-79, F
Growing up in the 1950’s and 1960’s the practice of corporal punishment was accepted as quite normal. At school and at home. The surrounding culture was supportive, too. Neighbours, friends, parents, schoolteachers. Characters in books and comics- we grew up with expected consequences for misbehaviour.
My parents had the same attitude about rules and behaviour- , that well worn phrase, “As long as you live under this roof you abide by the rules..." sort of mentality.
 
It is ironic that in the Catholic Primary and Girls Grammar school convent I went to we learnt about God meaning LOVE - and yet... I was to overhear the contradictory Biblical phrase about not “sparing the rod!” Several times in my life!
What a lesson as well.
All many, many years ago!
Josie
Sharon · F
@N2Bparka
"remember christ was flogged,
I didn't know that. How much did they get for him? ;)
N2Bparka · 61-69, M
@Sharon hehe.

I'd have got least 6 cane strokes if made such a remark in response atb the time.
lancashirelady50 · 70-79, F
@harveyrider never saw the cane in Our Girls Grammar school despite the horror stories the big girls would try and scare us with! The PE mistress would brandish her slipper but I never saw anybody get it!
The primary school had a cane for (almost exclusively) boys and it was given across the hands in the Head’s office. Lots of smacks though- especially on the back of girls legs! Josie
Crazychick · 36-40, F
Reading posts like this make me wish I could have been caned in school, but they stopped doing it before I started school.
Autocorrection · 61-69, M
@Crazychick Absolutely, me too. A rite of passage.
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lancashirelady50 · 70-79, F
@huggy001 weren’t we all?!
GailCob · 61-69, F
Good comment and account, Mary. When I was at Grammar School, probably a decade or so after you, caning was still quite common in the lower school, but it was generally understood that once you were in 6th form, you were no longer liable to be caned - apart from your age, moving into the 6th form in those days meant you were still part of an elite, and expected to behave accordingly. Me and two friends were so very clever that we proved there was an exception to the rule.

School Sports day was a very high profile event with many parents and all staff in attendance. In those days I was good long distance runner, as were these two friends. By the end of the third lap of the mile race, the three of us were half a lap ahead of the rest of the field, and almost jogging. We had a spur of the moment idea - what if, instead of really competing, we all ran together to the line and breast the tape at same moment. Our big mistake was not really making it look like a RACE!

We thought it very funny, as did our pals. Apparently the headmistress did not see the joke, believing she had been humiliated in front of parents, and before many minutes there was a message she wanted to see us first thing Monday morning.

I can't recall what we expected, other than the lecture of lectures, which we got - I think she would have been less angry if we had stripped and run the race naked. But then the shock - and this is verbatim - "I don't like having to beat sixth form girls, but you leave me with no alternative. I am going to cane you." I had been caned before, but I can't recall if that knowledge reassured me or scared me even more. There was some throw-away mention that as sixth formers we had the option to discuss it with our parents and move to another school as an alternative to the caning. Ha ha. Hobson's Choice.

So, at the grand old age of 17, and without protest, me and my two partners in crime had to go and bend over a chair one after the other, had our skirts pinned up, and took six really murderous strokes of the cane on our bottoms. Such were the times. This was 1974 A consolation, if there was any, was that we became legends of our year.
MartinII · 70-79, M
@GailCob: Lovely story. At my boys' grammar school, although caning was not all that frequent, sixth formers were certainly not exempt. For example, if you were caught smoking you got six of the best, whoever you were. But in those days I assumed that corporal punishment was largely confined to boys. I would have been shocked to learn that girls at equivalent grammar schools might be caned. Now I know better.
Sharon · F
@MartinII: Girls in single sex girls' schools were a lot more likely to be caned than girls in mixed schools. I know a few women who attended girls' schools. From what they've said, I got off lightly.
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@GailCob Headmistresses never could take a joke. Mine used her cane as the answer. I was offered the choice of expulsion or a caning on my penultimate day at the school. No choice, it was the cane.
Sharon · F
I was a regular recipient of both the cane and slipper in previous years but corporal punishment wasn't used anything like as much in 6th form.

Corporal punishment in 6th form was offered an an alternative to other punishments like suspension. When we committed a serious offence that, in previous years, we would have been caned for, we had the option of a caning or being suspended. As far as I know, everyone opted for the caning. Individual teachers would offer the option of slippering instead of lines or detention too.
Royrogers · 61-69, M
@Sharon gosh you sound a very naughty girl
Sharon · F
@Royrogers I was. ;)
Royrogers · 61-69, M
@Sharon wish i was a teacher at your school
BijouPleasurette · 36-40, F
I was only a baby when corporal punishment was abolished in school. I used to wish they'd bring it back, it was what I secretly longed for. I had to be content with my dad's belt at home.
@BijouPleasurette while you were longing for the cane others were longing for dad's belt. So in a way you were better off than they were.
MaryWat · 70-79, F
@BijouPleasurette Be careful what you wish for! Getting CP at home or school is best avoided at any time, but the cold-blooded, emotionless punishments at school were more degrading and, as it was impossible to avoid everyone knowing you had been caned, they were often much more shameful. I don’t regret having that experience – I had no choice – and I understand your regret, but in reality it was awful.
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MaryWat · 70-79, F
@Lynda70 I agree with both Lynda and Sharon; there was no need to mention it - it would have been virtually impossible to hide the fact you had been caned, so the better approach was to be quite open about it - maybe even putting on a bit of bravado you certainly didn't feel . But I think in many ways these post punishment rituals - trying to show stoicism, exposing or comparing stripes - did actually help getting through what for most of us was a genuinely painful and (for many of us) traumatising experience. The "admiration" from classmates at the intensity of your welts did give you a weird sense of pride..
Sharon · F
@MartinII
I suppose it’s easier to lift a girl’s skirt
Another point to consider is that a cane is fairly light so doesn't have much momentum or kinetic energy. A loose skirt would absorb nearly all its kinetic energy. A plimsoll, having a greater mass, hence greater momentum and kinetic energy, could effective but even then some of the energy would be absorbed by a loose skirt.
ArishMell · 70-79, M
@Sharon Now there's a new angle on things. I don't recall the mechanics of corporal punishment being used as examples in any physics text-book I have seen...
MartinII · 70-79, M
@Sharon It depends to some extent on the cane, I suppose. I have, for mutual adult pleasure, used a cane on a clothed lady with a fair amount of kinetic energy, and a fair amount of effect, but I certainly take your point.

PS: I’m not sure whether the SW thought police will allow this post 🤔
CarterHall · 56-60, M
I was caned several times in 6th form. I went to a catholic run comprehensive after a life long catholic education the majority of us were atheists by the time we got to 6th Form we were told that the local bishop would be visiting. We had a six form common room with a record player in it so as the bishop was arriving in the 6th form block we played Patti Smiths version of Gloria at full volume. For those unfamiliar with the song it starts with a spoken intro "Jesus died for somebodies sins but not mine" The were 5 of us stood around laughing in the common room when the Headmaster and 6th Form Head stormed in. We were marched off to the headmasters office by one of the teachers while the Heads were apologising to the bishop.
We had never hear of 6th formers getting the cane so we were expecting suspension. When the head arrived he told us to wait facing the wall in silence. Around 30 mins later we were called into the office. The was a chair placed in the middle and the cane was on the desk. "I have spoken to your parents about your behaviour and they have all given their consent for you to be caned, quite frankly the alternative would be expulsion." We were lined up and he pointed the cane at the boy next to me and told him to bend over the back of the chair and grip the front legs as far down as he could stretch before giving him 10 strokes across the tight trouser seat. I was next and was glad of the chair to hold on to because I was anxious 6 of the best had always been very painful and and extra 4 strokes was nightmarish.
After this we felt we were marked men and within a fortnight the 6th form head had found reasons for us all to be bent across his desk for 6 of the best I got mine for insolence and also sent to him for talking in class.
Sharon · F
@Dez580 I think my bottom must have worn out quite a few slippers and canes.
Dez580 · 61-69, M
@Sharon i even had the odd cane split on my backside during yet another caning, though the teacher etc always had a spare or new cane to finish off with
Sharon · F
@Dez580 I've never known a cane to break like that. I got the yardstick/metre rule a few times and I'm surprised that didn't break either.
Rebecca54 · 70-79, F
I was caned three times at school. The first time was when I was 12 - two strokes on my hands. The second time was 3 on my backside for forgetting to do homework for the third time in a term. I had to bend over, hands on knees and my pleated skirt was folded over my back.

The final caning was in the 6th form when I played truant to get some concert tickets and got caught. I remember the lecture which ended in being told by the headmistress that I am afraid I am going to have to cane you!

Girls in the sixth form had just been allowed to wear trousers instead of skirt (which most of us did) and this time I felt my trousers tighten around my bottom as I bent over a chair. I got 6 this time and they made my eyes water and I remember my friends being eager to see my stripes in the toilets afterwards.
MaryWat · 70-79, F
@Rebecca54 Thanks for that contribution Rebecca. From many chats I have had over the years, your experience would seem to be so typical for girls of our generation. A caning was probably avoidable if we were genuinely among the best behaved pupils, continuously, and for all 7 years of Grammar school - a standards few of us met, although I do have one friend who managed the seven years with only a few slipperings.

You have an experience I never had - your hands caned. It always seemed to me to be a lot worse experience than the more common 'bending over'
Rebecca54 · 70-79, F
@MaryWat Mary - I think they only caned younger girls on the hands - as far as I remember it was only fairly light taps with a thin cane. They stung and I could say that I had had the cane!

We had a few goody goodies in our year and it was always an occasion when one of them had to bend over for her first whack of the slipper! I remember one girl got to the 6th form without ever being whacked and then made a mistake and had to bend over for the first time!
JayneA · 41-45, F
Excellent and well written
MaryWat · 70-79, F
@JayneA Thank you.
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BareBottmPainPleasure · 61-69, M
Thank you for your concern. My mother eventually met her perfect partner.

My sister and I were very close: constant companions, with no hang-ups about nakedness. Some might suggest that we were too close. For instance, I helped her fit her first tampon. But we never fucked.

When my sister was killed in a car crash, I was first on the scene. Our mother never really recovered from the loss. I admit now that I wish my sister and I had fucked.@ArishMell
ArishMell · 70-79, M
@BareBottmPainPleasure Oh, I am very sorry! I am not surprised your mother did not really recover, but am pleased she found her perfect partner.

Hmm, I think the help to your sister you describe was perhaps a bit too close, but being so affectionate otherwise is rather touching.
@BareBottmPainPleasure Tweaked? Painfully?
AbbeyP · 70-79, F
The cane was awful
LAURAJAYNE1 · 26-30, F
@AbbeyP home canings are worse. Both mum and dad make me undress.
LAURAJAYNE1 · 26-30, F
@LAURAJAYNE1 did a female teacher cane you.
@AbbeyP Some would say awfully effective. But yes it was awful and still can be.
GailCob · 61-69, F
@BeckyStone That 'capital punishment' analogy rings true. In discussing my canings over the years I have often referred to them as like an 'execution', in their formality and fearfulness, as well as the intense emotional effect it had on the whole home when one of us was taken for a caning.

Parents are so unthinking too. They never contemplated that caning your bottom would restrict your choice in furniture as an adult!. Personally my distaste is for rattan furniture!
@GailCob I never sit in leather armchairs if I can avoid it. And thinking about the unladylike position over the chair still make me blush.
A spanking was a spanking but a caning was so much more. A caning had an impact on all of us.
GailCob · 61-69, F
Some girls seemed to be able to take a caning as just another part of their 'growing up'and get on with life unaffected. You and I seem to have the moor normal, vaguely traumatising outcomes. As well as being genuinely disgusted by rattan furniture, another strange effect is -just occasionally - when I bend over in a certain way to reach for something over anything - a table for instance, I am immediately shocked into remembering what happened to my bottom a few times as a girl in just that position. Crazy but true.
@GailCob Don´t tell me about bending over. lol
I have a friend that claim that she can´t pass the belt section in stores without getting dizzy.
A caning, or an ordinary spanking, was a highly emotional and embarrassing part of life. My sisters were more defiant than I and I cried rivers of tears after.
Caraa97 · F
My mom says that schools shud still be able to spank maam
Oldmanjimbo · 90-99, M
I completely agree with your mother
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Do you get spanked Caraa?
DeluxedEdition · 26-30, F
I would have been black and blue if schools still did this 😳🤣
Lynda70 · F
@Alfred22 We were rather proud of our marks.
@Lynda70 Rightly so! In scouts we had a beltline gauntlet run and there was an imperative of shrugging it off afterwards. It could sting significantly but whining about it was strictly taboo.
huggy001 · 56-60, M
@DeluxedEdition are you a naughty girl then
Grvstu · 70-79, F
Yes some of us had that experience too
marktayloruk · 61-69, M
Embarrassing the headmistress? Good for you!
huggy001 · 56-60, M
@BijouPleasurette ive only had light canings during adulthood
BijouPleasurette · 36-40, F
@huggy001 I much prefer hard, severe canings.
huggy001 · 56-60, M
@BijouPleasurette sounds good i could cane you hard,though weather it would match your boyfriend's i don't know
ThatMusgraveWoman · 70-79, F
It served you right for cheating, you bad girl. Having said that, six across the knickers hurts like crazy. It also lasts a long time, as you know, the incredible sting does not die down for hours and then the throbbing, the tenderness when sitting, the sudden spasms when you forget and try to run or walk- a school caning was no picnic.
laotzu92 · M
@MaryWat I pretty much lost ALL of my Latin. I'm impressed.
Rebecca54 · 70-79, F
@MaryWat Well done!

I can't remember anything from my Latin classes. I gave them up after the first couple of years and never progressed anywhere near O level
ThatMusgraveWoman · 70-79, F
@MaryWat Well, you learned a lot more than I ever did! I got the lowest ever mark for latin
sally1981 · 41-45, F
Did you have to take your knickers off and get a bare bottom slippering.
huggy001 · 56-60, M
@sally1981 in my class i wax hand smacked bare bottm a few times ,so trousers and underpants were pulled down
Serkan · 61-69, M
@sally1981 super
huggy001 · 56-60, M
Nice pic Sally
HowardP · 80-89, M
@N2Bparka Thanks for this additional recollection, adding to this treasure trove of what British school discipline was like as recently as 40 years ago. The current generation find it hard to believe, but those of us who were at school certainly in the 1950s, 1960s and 1970s know from painful experience, just how casually corporal punishment was administered, even to senior pupils.

Your description of how you were caned in the lower sixth must resonate with so many of us of a similar generation. I describe my education, effective though it was, as based on rote, humiliation and pain!

Like with you, at my school, boys who were due for a caning from the Headmaster had to change into PE shorts only, at the beginning of the lunch break and queue outside his office, which was off a main corridor, and where he invariably made you wait for half an hour before the first culprit(s) was called in. And then after you had been caned, you had the miserable walk back to the gym to get dressed. However nonchalant you tried to appear, inside you were in physical and mental agony.

I must say, your hour hands on head in the corridor after 8 strokes of the big cane must have been an act of huge self-discipline after a beating like that. Amazing times! Hated it at the time, but am rather proud of the experiences now.
HowardP · 80-89, M
@N2Bparka Covid 19 has indeed offered that opportunity. It's remarkable how people's true feelings about crime an punishment can be revealled when it is they themselves who are affected. My ploy, over many years, has been to say I have a near 100% solution to the speeding problem. Better than fines, loss of licence, or (how ridiculous) speed awareness courses. A caning! Nothing like a Singapore flogging! Just a standards old fashioned school caning. No alternative, no option. Six of the best plus some for serious speeding. Problem solved!
HowardP · 80-89, M
@N2Bparka Another observation about the main topic of this thread - girls who were caned in the sixthform. I think it alwasy varied greatly from school to school, but I see from your age-range, and the fact your sister is 4 years younger than you, that she would have been in the sixth half a generation or more after the lady who started this long discussion, and great changes were taking place in that period. I am of her generation, and I can confirm that both my sisters, at their girls' grammar school, and my wife at hers, were all caned during the two senior years in sixth form.
N2Bparka · 61-69, M
@HowardP Like 6 strokes + 1 for every mph above the limit that was broken ?
DavidKing · 70-79, M
I was caned three times in the Lower Sixth by the headmaster, Mr Cooper, at King's School, Macclesfield in the late 1960s. The first time was about half way through the first term for arriving 45 minutes late when I had a "free period". "There is no such thing as a free period, boy! It is called private study and is to be done in the library." I got six strokes bending over the back of a chair in the head's study.

The second time was on the first day back after the Christmas holidays. I had skipped some rather boring lessons on cosmology during the first term. The teacher wrote on my report " I have not seen him for two months." The headmaster wrote "The comment by the Cosmology teacher would appear to require some explanation. I trust it will be convincing." It wasn't! Another six strokes.

The third time was on the last day of the second term. I had skived off on the way to the annual Founders' Day service in a church in town. I went for an underage pint in a pub. Eight strokes.

The slipper was used rather less in the Sixth Form than in the Fifth Form and the years below but it was still the main form of punishment. The big difference was that slipperings in the Sixth Form were not carried out in the classroom. Instead the teacher summoned us to the Upper Staff Room at lunch time or after school. We were slippered in a small store room attached to the Upper Staff Room. I was slippered several times in the Lower and Upper Sixth, notably by my Latin teacher, Mr Vigor, for using profane language in the Sixth Form Common Room (nine whacks), and by my French teacher and form master, Mr Haresign for playing truant (12 whacks).
jackcros · 70-79, M
@DavidKing 12 whacks with a sturdy slipper was no light punishment
Sharon · F
@jackcros Especially when my gym mistress was swinging it.
hunter10 · 56-60, M
I was caned at school including the sixth form. This was back in the late 70s and early 80's.
My school was a fairly good private school. I am not aware of any abuse scandals, although it converted to a grant maintained school years ago. It was reasonably strict though.
The slipper was the main punishment.By the the I got there more than half the boys were day-boys, but the boarding school spirit lingered. Prefects were able to slipper any boy who was not also a prefect. I was a prefect only briefly, so went through the whole school in thrall to other boys.

The punishments were not excessive and usually deserved. A boy could refuse a prefect beating and appeal to their housemaster. This stopped prefects picking on boys. That said it was difficult to go through a term without getting slippered at least once, by a master or a prefect. I generally got it in French (never any good at languages) or for being gobby to a prefect. Prefect slipperings were generally on the spot: bend over and take your punishment style. The embarrassment of having your bottom whacked in front of your friends was worse than the actual pain most times.

I got caned twice upper school with a group of friends in the third form,for pranking a new teacher. He did not take kindly to our little jokes. The first time we got two strokes each, not too hard. To be honest I was a little disappointed. He did not hit us that hard, more of a warning really.

I was not so disappointed the second time. Rather than let it go, we pranked the same teacher again. This time we got four strokes each, and this time he gave it a bit of welly. I remember the pain getting worse as we made our way to apologise to the teacher. My bum was sore for the rest of the day. It was still a little tender the next day, so it was my bad luck to fall foul of a prefect who gave me a couple of whacks with the sipper for my trouble. It really hurt, i can tell you!

It was on sixth form that I really suffered though. Following an incident on a fifth form trip, I was under suspicion as a homosexual, which was considered a serious deviation in our school.

It was not long into my sixth form life before I was caught coming out of the toilets with a younger boy. Nothing much had happened, then or at any time with that boy, but no one was interested. I admit we were interested in each other, but were both too afraid to do anything.
I protested of course, but was given the choice of suspension whilst the matter was looked into or admitting my guilt and accepting the cane. I had no choice really. It was the other boy I really felt sorry for. He was summoned and was given six of the best in front of me on the strength of my admission. I then took my six strokes. He really gave it some welly and it hurt like hell , but i was determined not to cry. In addition to the cane, I was sacked as a prefect. The worst part was being thought of as someone who had tried to corrupt a younger boy, albeit only a year younger. had he been younger still i have no doubt I would have been expelled. My friends were not overly sympathetic and thought I got what i deserved.

It was a few weeks later that I realised the full import of what had happened. I made the mistake of telling a friend and fellow sixth former to 'f-off'. As a prefect like most of the sixth form this would have been brushed off with a laugh. However, I was no longer a prefect and Andy was a senior prefect (and future head boy). It was another boy who pointed this out. It amused them greatly that they could give me the slipper!

I had a simple choice, accept the slipper from my friend or appeal to Jenkins, the head of sixth form. I took the latter course, but it was pointless. He agreed with my friend, so I had to submit to being slippered by him. What was worse was the school rule was that a failed appeal doubled the punishment (to prevent erroneous appeals). My friend mischievously said he had intended to give me six, the maximum. I had to bend over and let Andy give me six hard whacks with the slipper in front of an amused Jenkins. The only caveat Jenkins put on my punishment, is that it could not be carried out in public, only in front of a single witness.

As you can imagine, the rest of my time in sixth form was precarious. Whilst I remained friends with Andy for years, and the others, i have never been able to shake off the humiliation of being slippered by him. I tried very hard not to cross him, but it amused him to threaten me with the slipper. If I ever transgressed, like forgetting my homework, I could be sure Andy would put up his hand to ask the master if they would like me slippered for my error. It sometimes amused the teachers as much as my friends, so I would have to retrieve a suitable slipper and then follow Andy to a spare room to be whacked. He treated it like a joke, but the slipper did hurt and it was humiliating to have to bend over and let him whack my bottom.

He could not slipper me on a whim. I had to have broken some school rule, but he made constant reference to his power. He probably slippered me half a dozen times, perhaps more, mostly in the lower sixth. However, all prefects were able to hand out non-physical punishments, such as the wall, i.e. being made to spend your break standing hands on head facing a wall. Some of my so called friends would take great pleasure in pulling out my shirt or scuffing my shoes so that they could claim a uniform infringement and send me to the wall.

It came to an end at Christmas in the upper sixth. I was made a junior prefect again. Jenkins did not want the boys distracted by their little games when they had exams to sit.
ArishMell · 70-79, M
@Aigle:

That whole set-up was abusive.

It gave far too much power to adolescents who lacked the maturity, skill or personal (rather than merely institutionally-granted) authority to use it justly or wisely.

You imply being punished for being weak at learning French. Punishing anyone, in any way at all, for inability to learn an academic subject was always inexcusable, stupid and cruel.
jayneb · 56-60, F
ouch I was slippered twice in grammar school but last time in 4th form
Sharon · F
@jackcros I was very trying according to my parents and teachers. ;) I was one of the first to get the slipper in 6th form.
HowardP · 80-89, M
@jackcrossumma cum laude! Who amongst us would have remembered the feminine.

Let's teach them plebs a real lesson

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KAfKFKBlZbM
jackcros · 70-79, M
@HowardP My old latin master had the same trick with our ears and sideboards. Didn’t have the sword though, just a thick leather strap.

Ave atque vale

(Or if he was in a bad mood)

Morituri te salutant
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Sharon · F
@huggy001 Boys and girls were treated equally at my school too. I wasn't really any naughtier than most.
StrictOldManUK · 70-79, M
@Tradcp Lovely image, thank you.
StrictOldManUK · 70-79, M
@SensibleJulie VPL framing the target area 😀
Strictgram · 70-79, C
Too bad canes are now in museums.
Strictgram · 70-79, C
@Sharon But they're not in schools and in very few homes.
Sharon · F
@Strictgram I think my friends and I wore out all those our school had. ;)
ArishMell · 70-79, M
@Strictgram Abolished in UK schools in the 1980s - and other countries earlier still. In some countries, including I think now Scotland which had a bad past reputation, it is illegal to hit children even at home. Good. Violence, especially beyond a slap by the palm of the hand, solves nothing and should never be necessary for genuine discipline.

(Discipline does not mean punishment, as its etymology shows; punishment does not axiomatically mean violence - except to those with a warped desire to beat children.)

I am of the same generation as you and Lancashirelady, and attended two Infant's. one Primary and an 1100-roll Grammar school (all mixed and local-authority. CP was used but it a very rare last resort, and the general standard of behaviour and discipline was very good. I think that was because it relied on genuine respect, rather than merely fear masquerading as "respect".
N2Bparka · 61-69, M
Just came across this. I had the cane maybe half a dozen occasions in 1st 2nd 3rd form, then nothing, until right at end of 1st yr sixth. We'd gone to a gig it went on late so ended up very late hehe like just before lunch into school. To complicate the issue, one of us was - not me - seen drinking from a can of beer on his way in. All four of us got eight strokes ... hard ones .... in exactly the same way as junior boys, which was change into PE shorts, nothing else, bend right over a science lab stool kept in the deputy heads office for this purpose. It was only one day to the end of term and he laid it on, with a big cane only seen standing in the corner before. He then made us stand hands on head in the corridor for an hour, which through two period changes so all could see, again just like 12 year olds in first form. 2nd year sixth didn't get caned unless c.p. was offered as an option, but this was 1st yr 6th, no options.
N2Bparka · 61-69, M
@MaryWat As I said I only came across this thread in the last few days. I used to have a different user name here, for whatever reason didn't look at this forum at all in ages, but a google search for something (very very different!) brought me back to this forum, and set up a new username. One of the things that does p*** me off though is in some discussions, not this one I add quickly, is those who respond with "6th formers were never caned" or "girls were caned on hands only" "therefore you talk fantasy". But we were there. They were not. Mine was boys only school + 6th form same place, practice was forms 1 to 6.1 could be caned, but 6.2 were not, although 6.2 could opt for a caning as an alternative to whatever else was "offered" (I have no idea if anyone did). I have have a suspicion, not fact, that because during 6.2 you crossed the age of 17 to 18, at 18 you were technically legally adult, there might have been potential legal issues if an 18+ took up an assault charge in his own name. We were in 6.1 when the events I described occurred, so were beaten, no option, in exactly the same way as a first former, in nothing but thin PE shorts, but a lot harder, and then hands on head for an hour. All but the entire school then knew the 4 of us had been caned.
@lancashirelady50 Are you referring to the US's "Bible Belt"?
lancashirelady50 · 70-79, F
@SomeMichGuy yes: but I only have hearsay to go on.
MaryWat · 70-79, F
@DavidKing Thank you for that fascinating contribution. When I originally wrote about my two canings in sixth form, I never envisage it would generate so many replies (169 at the moment) or still have people contributing two years later.

In particular I admire your naming of school and the headmaster who beat you! Few of us have that courage, despite the passage of the years.

I am presuming, like most of us, you had been caned prior to sixth form, but there really does seem to be be something especially memorable having to bend over as a senior pupil. Your three reasons for getting the cane are so quintessentially typical of the reasons pupils at quality high schools tended to end up in front of the Principal's desk. One of my other canings, in the Upper fifth, was almost identical to yours for treating a 'free period' as an opportunity, with two friends, to find an empty classroom and play a form of shuttlecock!

Thanks again for your contribution. .
DavidKing · 70-79, M
@MaryWat Thank you for your kind comments, Mary. I had been caned once before by Mr Cooper. That was in the Lower Fifth. Pupils were not supposed to enter the main building through the door in the centre. That was reserved for members of the staff and prefects. I ignored this rule one day, thinking no one would see me. I was stopped by a prefect lurking out of sight. I told him to "get knotted". Unfortunately he knew my name and reported me to the headmaster. I got 6. I had been caned once by Mr Cooper's predecessor, the venerable T.T. Shaw. That was in the Lower Fourth. I got it for beating the crap out of a bully. Well worth it. In fact Shaw was close to retirement and well past his best caning days. It didn't hurt as much as the slipper off certain teachers. The cane off Mr Cooper though was something else. He used a much longer cane and laid it on really hard. I cried every time I got the cane off him. The stripes were unpleasantly sore for a couple of days and took about two weeks to fade completely.
DavidKing · 70-79, M
@MaryWat You are absolutely right when you say there is something especially memorable about having to bend over as a senior pupil. I am not sure what it was. Maybe it was because we felt quite grown-up by that age. Having to bend over and have our bottoms whacked seemed a rather childish punishment. Also it was used much less in the Sixth Form. This somehow made getting in trouble and being punished more embarrassing. In the Fifth Form we had been used to seeing boys bend over for the slipper in the classroom. It was a routine event. It was no big deal even though it hurt plenty. A lot of boys got through the Sixth Form without getting the slipper or the cane, so when it happened to one of us it was big news. It was no longer done in public but everyone heard about it. Getting it in private didn't seem any less embarrassing, surprisingly, especially if I was getting it off a teacher I had a good relationship with.
Never got the cane at school but I got it at home twice from my father. Very painful, very embarrassing.
HowardP · 80-89, M
@BeckyStone True on both counts! Once is once too many in a perfect world. But at least you have the 'privilege' of knowing what a punishment caning feels like. There are fewer and fewer of us around
GailCob · 61-69, F
@BeckyStone As HowardP says, at least you have an experience that is becoming rarer by the day. I got caned both at home and at school. At school it was more painful, and from father, MUCH more embarrassing!
@GailCob In our family the cane was the capital punishment. I had to come in to dads study and take of my skirt and pull down my pantie. Then I had to bend over the the side of a big leather armchair. I still don´t like leather armchairs.
It was similar in my school. Not many of us, boys and girls, got through school without getting the cane. It wasn't used much in sixth form but quite a few of us still managed to get it. It was the same with the slipper. A girlfriend and I got the slipper in sixth form a few times too.

It was the same at my wife's school. She and several of her contempories also got the cane in sixth form.
MaryWat · 70-79, F
Thanks for that comment, which really confirms that being in the sixth form was no insurance against getting the cane or the slipper. But I do agree with you – it may not have come our clearly enough in my original posting – that the frequency of corporal punishment was significantly less in sixth form. I think there were three reasons for this. First the sense that beating 16-17-18 year olds on their bottoms was becoming questionable. Second, pupils becoming more responsible and more careful in those last two or three years; and thirdly, in those days, many schoolchildren left school after “O” levels (age 16ish) to pursue non-academic careers or apprenticeships, and this cohort probably contained more of the disruptive pupils who had received a disproportionate number of canings or slipperings in the first five years.

Interesting comment about your wife’s similar caning experiences in sixth form. I received two canings while a sixth former, and while probably the majority of my contemporaries would have been caned at least once in the sixth, a substantial minority went through their sixth form years without getting the cane. (I was quite well behaved in the sixth form. Just very unlucky!)
ArishMell · 70-79, M
The accounts on this discussion seem to indicate severe, even cruel, beatings as the norm. I think it was extremely variable though.

My own 1950s-60s schools (2 Infants' due to moving home, `1 Primary, and 1 Grammar - all mixed, local authority) used corporal punishment very rarely and of the 3 or 5 canings I heard on, the most was 4 strokes. Yet the general level of behaviour, and of mutual respect between teachers and pupils, were good, rather denying the notion that children have to be caned severely for anything and everything.

Last week, there concluded a series presented by the former Education Minister, Alan Johnson (Labour), outlining the history of British state-service education, though the prism of a school established 140 years ago in a very poor areas of London. (It still is, I believe.)

In one episode they read extracts from the punishment records from the late 1950s. While the cane was used for most offences, sometimes across a hand, the usual was no more than 2 strokes. There was one of four on "the seat" - I didn't quite catch what for but I think it was attacking another pupil.

Very few of my many friends from widely-varied backgrounds in circles drawn from around widely-scattered parts of England, have ever mentioned having the cane, or it being in common use; but neither have any described their schools as unduly harsh in any way,anyway.

So did many of the contributors here, go to unusually authoritarian establishments run by suppression and brutality, by people who expected pupils to respect them but thought "respect" means "fear", and had no reciprocal respect?
MartinII · 70-79, M
@ArishMell No doubt had we been using metric rather than imperial measures it would have been five.
MaryWat · 70-79, F
@MartinII Surely TEN strokes in a decimal environment! Given that base ten is it's fundamental feature, ten whacks to Bunter's broad 'base' seems much more appropriate.

Glad to know there are still Bunter aficionados! Did you know that his famous yell "Yarooh" when the cane landed on his bottom was a literary joke - it's "Hooray" spelt backwards.
MartinII · 70-79, M
@MaryWat I was thinking that six was half a dozen, so five would be the equivalent half of ten. But in the film “If”, the rebel sixth formers got 10 from the prefects.

I like the Yarooh joke - hadn’t heard that before.
HowardP · 80-89, M
I see that you and I are of a similar age, Mary, and I confirm what you and other writers have noted, that caning in the sixth form was by no means unusual in those days. My sixth form years were from 1957-60 (Unusually I was three years in the sixth. Although I got all the A levels I needed after two years, Iwas too young for University admission)

And I can confirm they had absolutely no compunction in caning sixth formers when their misbehaviour warranted it. However, it is also true that there were fewer caning than in the earlier years, mainly because we were genuinely more responsible, but also much wiser in avoidance strategies.

That said, few of us escaped those sixth form years without at least one caning. And in my school, when you were sent for a caning in sixth form, you got it hard: I was caned three times in those three years, and on each occasion it was a very genuine 'six of the best' .

Fifty years later, it seems crazy, but everyone seemed to accept these punishments as part of the package, "took their medicine", avoided sitting as much as possible for a couple of days, and just got on with life. (I see several of the other comments, from women as well as men, make the same point: you knew the consequences, accepted the punishment, and put it behind you (joke) with little or no resentment.

Plus another reality: the standard of discipline and the academic quality of such schools was outstanding.
jackcros · 70-79, M
I was 6 years after you in entering the sixth form and agree with everything you say. We took our punishment when necessary, would not have thought of doing otherwise. While there was some sympathy for those who received a beating, the attitude of our peers was "you got what you asked for."
I endorse your comments on discipline and academic quality.
HowardP · 80-89, M
@jackcros: Yes I agree. It was amazing how philosophically we took our beatings. Not that we really had any options! But in my experience no one was ever dragged kicking and screaming to be punished. Maybe we were a bit more sheep-like in those days, but our stoicism was remarkable, and taking a caning without making a fool of yourself did instill remarkable self discipline.
jackcros · 70-79, M
@HowardP: I'm not sure that we were "sheep like" rather a different perspective in the war years and the decade or two after. After the real suffering of the Blitz etc. a tanned backside seemed a very minor thing and not to be fussed over. I don't know how today's youngsters, who get terribly worked up about descriptions on menus, would have coped.
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lancashirelady50 · 70-79, F
@Tradcp reading old “schools reunited” messages it was clearly commonplace. It can’t ALL be fantasy?! Lol
Tradcp · 56-60, M
@lancashirelady50 maybe some were but I know for a fact not all lol
StrictOldManUK · 70-79, M
Just goes to show the cane does act as a deterrent and you learn to avoid the behaviour that warrants its use.
StrictOldManUK · 70-79, M
@Sharon I am in England too, I hadn't realised that. Schools of all places should be equal-opportunity no matter sex or race.
HowardP · 80-89, M
@Sharon Sharon - this is totally off-topic - but your comment on the NAS and NUT impressed me and took me back to my teens in the late 1950s. My father held some sort of ex officio role the NAS (National Association of Schoolmasters) and my mother, also a teacher, was in the NUT (National Association of Teachers) I still recall the day the NAS called a strike to protest about the Burhnam Committee's proposal for equal pay - the abhorrent idea that female teachers should be paid the same as male teachers! Unbelievable but true.

In his innocence, my father, then the headmaster of a boys' secondary school, thought that the strike rule allowed him to enter the school, but not do any teaching. Big Mistake! Despite my father's full support for UNequal pay, his wholly male staff viewed him as a strike-breaking scab thereafter.

Bizarre really, as equal pay would have increased our household income through my mother's increased salary!

(On topic - dad was a great believer in the cane - both at school and home!)
Sharon · F
@HowardP
Bizarre really, as equal pay would have increased our household income through my mother's increased salary!
I think that's indicative of just how deeply sexism was ingrained in the school system.

A woman I chat to has told me that, despite having a doctorate and not adopting her husband's surname, less able teachers at her children's school habitually referred to and addressed her as Mrs [husband's surname]. Her husband also has a doctorate but some teachers even referred to and addressed him as Mr. Science teachers, however, used their correct names and titles.

In some schools, only boys were caned. Obviously they had some other means of keeping girls in order. Methods they were so sure would be effective that they even felt able to tell girls "Don't worry, no matter how badly behaved you be, you won't be caned." They could have used those same methods with boys as they had so much confidence in them. The fact that they chose to beat boys instead is strong evidence that they were just perverts.
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MaryWat · 70-79, F
@Sharon So true, Sharon. It wasn't really a Morton's Fork' choice, which implies a choice between two equal evils. It was more a Hobson's Choice - not really a choice at all. Six of the best across knickers at school, whilst horrible, was infinitely better than the almost inevitable - and much more severe - bare bottom caning or belting most of us would have received at home for getting a school suspension at that age.
Sharon · F
@MaryWat Exactly. School CP was relatively mild compared with what we got at home.
@Sharon My wife and I thought the same. Out to the front and bend over for a couple of smacks of the slipper was nothing compared to what we got at home.
Naughtyboyneeds · 56-60, M
I had the slipper when I was in 6th form,6 of the best Ouch
Naughtyboyneeds · 56-60, M
@Sharon
My Mum use to keep a pair of slippers for that purpose
lancashirelady50 · 70-79, F
@Sharon yes! I seem to remember accompanying both my sister and brother into the kitchen ( after mother heard about our catapult) sand being bent over the table for a sound walloping! Never forgotten!
jayneb · 56-60, F
@Naughtyboyneeds my mum kept hers in the sideboard drawer!
sally1981 · 41-45, F
I heard that a good thrashing, 6 of the best always maid a Girl wet between the legs is that true.
Sally
zarasmith1978 · 46-50, F
Oldmanjimbo · 90-99, M
The cane is a serious punishment. I used it throughout my years teaching. I'm pleased to hear that it acted as a deterrent for misbehaviour for you,
nickir · 61-69, M
Exactly. And if that weren't enough, the fact that our punishes the parents means that the parents start to look for ways to avoid THEIR punishment by not punishing the kid. While that is good if the parent is too strict,it's bad if the parent is punishing properly. Which is what we're postulating here.

As if that's not bad enough, suppose that you ground her for 2 weeks. Then she's naughty after 3 days. If you ground her again, your OOPS her, punishment doesn't even start for 1-1/2 weeks. With spanking, if she has a bad attitude as she's getting off your knee,she can be spanked again immediately or immediately after corner time.
You're also affecting her socialization, a fact that anti-spankers always fail to mention. Plus, the harder the system is to do right, the fewer the number of people who can actually do it right.
So even if it worked better than spanking, it wouldn't be worth doing.
Chroniclewriter · 70-79, M
@MaryWat presumably a quick whacking?
MAJFF · M
@MaryWat My parents were the same as yourself.
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HowardP · 80-89, M
@SW-User You must have broken some speed record for the earliest ever new-boy caning! And lucky to escape with three strokes. Was the girl also caned?
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HowardP · 80-89, M
@SW-User Thanks for pointing out your account in "I remember my first caning at school". I read it with interest. It sums up so well how easy it was to get the cane in our time at school. You were unlucky to get caught so early, and for such a "thoughful" gesture to a struggling classmate. (There is that Oscar Wilde aphorism "No good turn goes unpunished". You proved the truth of that.) You were certainly lucky to escape with three strokes for what was always considered a heinous offence. A month later, I suspect, and your luck would not have held.

Interesting that you say "...at least six strokes" for serious offences. That was the same at my school. We certainly got six of the best for most offences, but it was by no means the upper limit if you had a repeat offence, or somehow brought the school into disrepute.
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@MaryWat I only ever got caned by ladies and can confirm they are excellent. My Headmistress was only petite but caned so hard. I got gated twice both times by 6 straight strokes and then 2 diagonal. Boy were they bad! Walking and sitting was impossible.
MaryWat · 70-79, F
I have zero proof of this, but I think one of the "advantages" of the rattan cane, which is both relatively light and extremely flexible, is that it's not just the crude strength of the disciplinarian, but their technique that makes a punishment they inflict so effective. Obviously extra height and sheer strength give a typical man some advantage, but in a typical school environment where there were social limits to the amount of damage that could be inflicted, I reckon skill was as important as sheer strength. Like you, I was only caned by females, and like you I can vouch for the extreme painfulness of the end result.
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I am sure it is technique because my Headmistress who was petite was much more effective and painful than my deputy headmistress who was much taller and solid. Both were still very painful though.
Petra1960 · 61-69, F
I was caned twice at school and the last time I was 14. After my second I was so afraid of the cane that I was a very well behaved girl for the rest of my schooldays.
kres1 · 41-45, M
@Petra1960 @Petra1960 are still well behaved Petra
MaryWat · 70-79, F
@kres1 The cross in the avatar box indicates Petra is no longer a member.
MAJFF · M
@MaryWat My first experience of the cane was three strokes for being caught smoking with friends. I have never smoked. The horrible taste of the cigarette was enough, the three strokes across my backside reinforced it.
marktayloruk · 61-69, M
Either some people have vivid imaginations - as do I - or some teachers and parents were sadistic perverts. I suspect both to be the case!
marktayloruk · 61-69, M
@ArthurP Mine were in the less dark days 1964-77. Was never caned or slippered due to luck -was bullied mercilessly, though. Primary school headmistress said because I didn't face up to things =then smacked my legs for fighting back!
Caroline259 · 56-60, F
@marktayloruk
or some teachers and parents were sadistic perverts.
Some still are but at least they can't get away with beating children like they used to.
StrictOldManUK · 70-79, M
@marktayloruk Nothing wrong with a vivid imagination.
Rhode57 · 56-60, M
I got the cane the first time about 11/12 and it was always on the bare .
Rhode57 · 56-60, M
@MAJFF It was but did me no harm in the long run apart from never forgetting it .
MAJFF · M
@Rhode57 I can imagine forgetting that. I was older than yourself when I was caned, but across my trousers.
Rhode57 · 56-60, M
@MAJFF Lucky getting it bare hurt like hell
ArishMell · 70-79, M
It seems very variable.

My own schools (Southern English local-authority and mixed) did use the slipper and cane, but very rarely, and I heard of only about half a dozen, if that canings in my 7 Grammar School years. Of them I don't think any boy had more than 4 strokes. I remember someone telling me he was one of a group shown the effects by a boy who'd been caned that morning!

The PE Teacher used the plimsoll (didn't they all?) but very rarely, and only one whack. The threat kept some sort of order!

I don't know if the girls were caned or slippered. I'd not heard of any such incidents.

Ironically in view of the main threads here, smoking became allowed for our Upper Sixth, in the boys' common-room whose main decoration was a large notice-board covered with beer-mats collected from all manner of places - many I think, on school trips!

One reason quoted for allowing smoking in the common-room, at lunch-time, was that the caretaker and cleaners were fed up with clearing dog-ends from the urinals. I don't think many girls smoked then, but it was much more common than now for older boys and men to smoke.

To anchor all this, I left school in 1970.

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And now, half a century on and not supporting re-introducing CP in schools, sometimes I need to feel that slipper, or be introduced to the cane.
antonioioio · 70-79, M
Copral punishment was the done thing in schools here until the late 80s
MartinII · 70-79, M
@lancashirelady50 And did you use cp, or send pupils to the head to get it?
lancashirelady50 · 70-79, F
@MartinII both
MartinII · 70-79, M
@lancashirelady50 What forms of cp did you use yourself?
kres1 · 41-45, M
caning was the way and six of the best was a way of being brought in my education usually thin white shorts when visiting the HM leaving little to the imaging when going back to the changing room. shower timeshowed all the different stages of stripes from raw red to blue and fading shade amongst other boys. believe it or not Istill need it after having been brought up with it. are there others the same somewhere'?
Rebecca54 · 70-79, F
@kres1 I was caned on the bottom twice. 3 strokes at about 14 and 6 at 17. As far as I remember the marks lasted about a week before they finally faded
ArishMell · 70-79, M
@kres1 A good many with that need, say it stems from real experiences at home or school.

Similarly with me, though vicariously, not (as far as I know) personally.
wonchop · 61-69, M
@kres1 yes i am now in my 50 s but for some strange reason wish i could go back to a school day and receive another formal caning or slippering i believe it gave my some sort of interest in to CP that as been with me since school if you wish to chat more you are welcome to PM me
My girlfriend and I got the slipper together quite a few times in sixth form.
jackcros · 70-79, M
@MaryWat thank you for the clarification, I can understand that a good school would not take kindly to study periods being wasted, and rightly so.

As a mere male, I do find that a group of females can be very noisy, at any age, lol. (Joke)
Rebecca54 · 70-79, F
@MaryWat That sort of behaviour during a study period would not have gone down too well at my all girls school either. We were expected to behave like adults in the sixth form and were granted certain privileges such as being able to wear trousers instead of the usual pleated skirts. Corporal punishment was less frequent in the sixth form - several of us were slippered but I had the dubious honour of the first girl to be caned over trousers!
Sharon · F
@Rebecca54 It was similar at my school in 6th form. That sort of behaviour would definitely have got us a slippering and quite possibly a caning. If we had a free period at the end of the day we often left to go into town. That was against the rules. Some teachers would turn a blind eye but other would give us the slipper or, in extreme cases, send us to the year head for the cane.

My husband's school had a similar rule in 6th form. He and his peers (boys and girls) got the slipper and cane for it too.
My mom tells these caning stories too. Her father was from England and she lived there for nearly 10 years.
The cane was in regular use when I was at school. It was used even more iwhen my parents were at school. My mother said most of her teachers used it in class and she got it nearly every week.
MartinII · 70-79, M
I very much agree with Arish Mell’s comment. I was at Bristol Grammar School throughout the 1960s. The cane was certainly used, from age 8 to 18, and it always seems to have meant six of the best from the headmaster. But it wasn’t all that frequent, and I only knew of one case where a caning seemed unfair or excessive. We were afraid of it, especially in the junior school, but we didn’t think of the regime as particularly severe and the upper school in particular was a happy school on the whole. And most boys, myself included, were never caned.
ArishMell · 70-79, M
@MartinII I suppose they realised everyone who knew Smith, knew he had had the cane so thought it better to announce it formally, to stop rumours and warn others.

Once or twice a week in 800... That's still far more, as far as I know, from WGS with its roll of 1100. So different from school to school. I don't know if class had much to do with it, with us anyway, because pupils were from all sorts of backgrounds though the area was rich in skilled trades and professions at the time.
MartinII · 70-79, M
@Rebecca54 So far as the cane was concerned, my school was very similar to yours. However we didn’t get the slipper, except in PE lessons in junior school. There were impositions and detentions, but most teachers seemed to avoid giving formal punishments if they could.

The only other school about which I can speak with any confidence is the Catholic girls grammar school where my mother taught. According to my mother, there was no cp of any kind at that school.
ArishMell · 70-79, M
@MartinII Our grammar-school PE teacher used the slipper, or plimsoll, but very rarely and then normally only stroke. I did see him once give two, to a boy who deliberately nicked another's ear with a pen-knife or something.
Royrogers · 61-69, M
Quite common in my school in the early 70’s

 
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