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Is there really a climate crisis?

I think it's all made up because the government are not doing anything about it
badminton · 61-69, MVIP
AAAS Reaffirms Statements on Climate Change and Integrity
4 December 2009 by: AAAS.org staff report

https://www.aaas.org/news/aaas-reaffirms-statements-climate-change-and-integrity

The American Association for the Advancement of Science (AAAS) has reaffirmed the position of its Board of Directors and the leaders of 18 respected organizations, who concluded based on multiple lines of scientific evidence that global climate change caused by human activities is now underway, and it is a growing threat to society.

“The vast preponderance of evidence, based on years of research conducted by a wide array of different investigators at many institutions, clearly indicates that global climate change is real, it is caused largely by human activities, and the need to take action is urgent,” said Alan I. Leshner, chief executive officer of AAAS and executive publisher of the journal Science.
Oster1 · M
Yeah, I agree. What about all the chemicals in the food. The Flouride, in the water and the geo engineering, maybe I will give it some thought:(@curiosi
Success · 26-30, F
@curiosi The largely uneducated American public might jump on this bandwagon, but I know better. Global warming triggers an ice age as the biosphere compensates, so the ideas of warming and cooling from the same people are consistent- not contradictory.
xixgun · M
Nope. Scientists have come out and said it was all bullshit they made up to get more government funding (but that wasn't broadcast as loudly as "the sky is falling" was)
@xixgun Thanks for the non sequitur.
badminton · 61-69, MVIP
@xixgun Oil companies would pay them much more to deny climate change.
xixgun · M
@badminton Maybe, but that isn't what the scientists said.
Just another platform that people can milk for a long time - because the so called problem is on a grand scale - it should keep some job security around - until they find out the its not as bad as they were told - then they will realize that the pervabial jig is up. Maybe Walmart will be looking for a few good people.
@QuixoticSoul fine - climate change - now what ??
QuixoticSoul · 41-45, M
@MarmeeMarch One of IPCC's jobs is to provide policy guidance for reigning it in, mitigating its consequences, projecting its impact, etc. You are free to take a look.
@QuixoticSoul i will
Success · 26-30, F
Saying it doesn't exist is the actual government cover up, and it's funded by big business.

Ha-ha! JAYS21 blocked me for challenging his Republican fed lies that there is no climate crisis.
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QuixoticSoul · 41-45, M
@Success The weird thing is that actual data shows a rapidly warming climate 🤷‍♂️
ExtremeNext · 31-35
If there is don't worry Greta will save us all
God bless her
QuixoticSoul · 41-45, M
@IstillmissEP There was no global cooling panic of the 70s.

I repeat, anyone who isn’t publishing in the field, is no longer active in the field. Talking about what scientists thought 100 years ago is useless when you’re trying to establish the [i]current[/i] consensus.

[quote]It also disposes of all the studies showing the change is caused by orbital changes.[/quote]
Bwahaha.

[quote]But if no position is a negative response, those papers greatly outnumber the man made numbers.[/quote]
No position simply means the paper didn’t deal with the causes. “We don’t know why climate change is happening” would be a negative position. That’s in the 2.x%.
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QuixoticSoul · 41-45, M
@IstillmissEP It’s odd that you’re using an example where we followed policy recommendations from relevant scientific bodies, and the situation dramatically improved 🤔
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badminton · 61-69, MVIP
@QuixoticSoul Scientists would be paid much more by oil companies to deny climate change.
@IstillmissEP That is one creepy kid.
@IstillmissEP Actually if you understood logic, politics and money in science you would come to the exact opposite conclusion. Anyway you slice it it is far more profitable to back the lie that it is a hoax.
There's been a 'crisis' for the last three billion years! Nothing new. If it's not volcanic ash, it's 'ice age' advancement and recession, glacial descents or the tons and tons of solar dust that fall on earth each day - and don't even start me on perigée and apogée of the earth's orbit around the sun!!
@CountScrofula From which Mickey Mouse endorsed university specialising in scientific pursuits was this re-gurgitated??
CountScrofula · 41-45, M
@EugenieLaBorgia Let's speak to the point I'm making here.

I'm not sure how many academics and scientists you work with or personally know. I know them, and I have been -personally responsible- for negotiating and defending their right to academic freedom.

It is illegal for the government or university to force an academic to say things they do not agree with.

I know where their grants come from, and where their salaries come from. There are no bribes.

How does it work?
@CountScrofula This is related to science, how?
badminton · 61-69, MVIP
t's not like I enjoy the prospect of climate change. I'd be very happy if climate change were proven wrong. But when faced with overwhelming facts and evidence, a reasonable person faces up to the problem and decides the best course of action. They don't pretend the problem doesn't exist.
QuixoticSoul · 41-45, M
@JAYS21 There is no such thing as “proven” in science, but the current certainty is very high.

[quote]the evidence is fake[/quote]
😂😂😂
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QuixoticSoul · 41-45, M
@JAYS21 Yes, only people who know nothing whatsoever about the field are aware of the real data 😂
4meAndyou · F
How do you know they are lying to you? When they tell you they are all about climate change which will likely kill you if you fail to elect them, and then they hop on their private chartered airplane and go to the next rally.

When they tell you that you can't eat meat anymore because methane is ruining the planet, but they hold a ginormous steak barbecue in Iowa.

When they tell you the ice is melting and all shore front property will soon be underwater, but then they buy a huge waterfront mansion.

When they tell you that you really need to stop having so many children, but it is only the African people who need birth control....now! We just can't have that many Africans, apparently.

When they tell you that the oceans are being threatened, but they pass no laws to clean up the plastic.

When the so-called environmentalists are encouraged to demand the legislation that is causing the giant wildfires with massive smoke rising into the atmosphere...but absolutely NO ONE is providing huge funding for the National Forest Foundation to plant new trees.
CountScrofula · 41-45, M
So I work in a research university and some people I've worked with research climate change impact on the local environment.

Are my friends and colleagues incompetent or liars?
ExtremeNext · 31-35
CountScrofula · 41-45, M
@ExtremeNext Can you elaborate?
CountScrofula · 41-45, M
@ExtremeNext I am seriously asking you this.

I'm their union representative. So if there is research fraud going on I need to be aware; there are very serious legal consequences.

Also, they have academic freedom which is full legal right to say whatever they want with zero interference from their dean or the government. So if their independence as researchers is compromised, I need to be aware of it.
cant believe I just blocked extremenext but honestly the last thing this generation or the next needs is a fucking self hating millennial. choke bitch, just choke.

guilty and proud, and it ain't cause greta said so. it's cause no climate scientist seriously doubts humans are causing warming.

no human who isn't a climate scientist and doubts man made global warming is suffering from anything short of the dunning kruger effect about this issue.

you denialist are too stupid to realize you are stupid.

all your arguments have been debunked and it's trivally easy to research them. pretty uch every argument a denialist has ever made, refuted.

https://skepticalscience.com/argument.php
Success · 26-30, F
@BetweenKittensandRiots Ha-ha! JAYS21 blocked me for challenging his Republican fed lies that there is no climate crisis.
It’s all fake. The barrier reef dying off is a hoax.
There is no truth to the idea that while CO2 dissolves in water, there is a release of hydrogen ions. Those ions contribute to what??



Seriously?
badminton · 61-69, MVIP
"The glacial melt we are witnessing today in Antarctic and Greenland is changing the circulation of the Atlantic Ocean and has been linked to collapse of fisheries in the Gulf of Maine and more destructive storms and hurricanes around the planet."

https://www.worldwildlife.org/pages/why-are-glaciers-and-sea-ice-melting
badminton · 61-69, MVIP
@JAYS21 These are not my assertions.
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QuixoticSoul · 41-45, M
@JAYS21 [quote]linked to ... [b]more destructive storms[/b] and hurricanes around the planet."[/quote]
[quote]HURRICANES HAVE [b]DECREASED IN NUMBER[/b] SINCE 1950s[/quote]
🤔🤔🤔
FreestyleArt · 31-35, M
It is made up just like Nazi propaganda made up about any race or culture are dangerous to life
HoraceGreenley · 56-60, M
It is made up. It's about Money
hippyjoe1955 · 61-69, M
41 wrong predictions to their name..... Why would any one believe them.
@QuixoticSoul I can find zero evidence to support his claim that 30 000 climate scientists disagree with the consensus and apparently none of them have access to media to get their side across. lol
QuixoticSoul · 41-45, M
@PicturesOfABetterTomorrow He's discussing the so-called "Oregon petition" from 1998, which, ironically, suffered from the same sort of problems he's whining about.

Hell, most of the participants were [i]engineers[/i], and the number of climatology folks in there was pitifully small. No joke - 39, out of that 31k.
@QuixoticSoul I remember that. I can call myself a nuclear physicist and sign a paper but that doesn't make it true.
badminton · 61-69, MVIP
[from WorldWildlife.org]

https://www.worldwildlife.org/pages/why-are-glaciers-and-sea-ice-melting

Why are glaciers important?
Ice acts like a protective cover over the Earth and our oceans. These bright white spots reflect excess heat back into space and keep the planet cooler. In theory, the Arctic remains colder than the equator because more of the heat from the sun is reflected off the ice, back into space.

Glaciers around the world can range from ice that is several hundred to several thousand years old and provide a scientific record of how climate has changed over time. Through their study, we gain valuable information about the extent to which the planet is rapidly warming. They provide scientists a record of how climate has changed over time.

Today, about 10% of land area on Earth is covered with glacial ice. Almost 90% is in Antarctica, while the remaining 10% is in the Greenland ice cap.

Rapid glacial melt in Antarctica and Greenland also influences ocean currents, as massive amounts of very cold glacial-melt water entering warmer ocean waters is slowing ocean currents. And as ice on land melts, sea levels will continue to rise.

U.S. Geological Survey on glaiciers
https://www.usgs.gov/faqs/how-would-sea-level-change-if-all-glaciers-melted?qt-news_science_products=0#qt-news_science_products
hippyjoe1955 · 61-69, M
@badminton So the low angle of sun shine on the arctic antarctic has nothing to do with the colder air in the far north and south?
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ExtremeNext · 31-35
badminton · 61-69, MVIP
@EugenieLaBorgia Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change
“Warming of the climate system is unequivocal, and since the 1950s, many of the observed changes are unprecedented over decades to millennia. The atmosphere and ocean have warmed, the amounts of snow and ice have diminished, and sea level has risen.”

“Human influence on the climate system is clear, and recent anthropogenic emissions of greenhouse gases are the highest in history. Recent climate changes have had widespread impacts on human and natural systems.”

The following page lists the nearly 200 worldwide scientific organizations that hold the position that climate change has been caused by human action.
http://www.opr.ca.gov/facts/list-of-scientific-organizations.html
@badminton You can rely on as many paper clippings as you wish but until you rely on science you will remain as clueless and hapless as little Greta. A wasted youth has no place in the world of science. Besides, aren't you better equipped in plying your vast intellectual wares on something far better suited to your abilities: 'supporting those who shriek' catfish, catfish'? That seems to draw you and your 'friends' out quicker than an artesian well draws water. I have absolutely nothing further to say to you and your meek and week contribution to my comments are not suited to my own intellectual palette which has savoured far more fruit from the tree of knowledge than which has fallen on your head. @badminton
carsonfry · 22-25, M
It is all made up. If you know anything about the Bible the world does not end by climate change. The Earth and the Climate where created by God for us, and for us to USE, almost desecrate. God made it strong enough to last for our existence on this planet. But if you do not believe in God, then go back to 1978 when it snowed twice in Florida. They said it was the beginning of an Ice Age and we would all freeze to death in just a few years. Then it turned into Global Warming and we would flood and burn up in just a few years, and now it is just Climate Change.
QuixoticSoul · 41-45, M
@carsonfry 😂

The 70's ice age hysteria is a myth. It never happened.
Global warming is a major component (probably [i]the[/i] major component) of current climate change. It's not somehow obsolete.

[quote]we would flood and burn up in just a few years[/quote] No. IPCC, etc, projections are a matter of record.
carsonfry · 22-25, M
@QuixoticSoul Probably a compilation of graphs from Al Gore, Jane Fonda, and all the other self defined Climate Scientologists.

All I can say is I was scared almost to death as a child from the coming Ice Age, just as the children today have been indoctrinated to believe in Global Warming.

But since then, I have learned about God, the Bible, and Truth for myself. This topic is the work of the devil. Those that have no roots or foundation will believe in anything. My roots are deep, and God promised to never flood the world again, and he gave us the rainbow to prove it. If all this mass hysteria was accurate, why are all the predictions of sea level projections proven wrong decade after decade, and why do these actors that get rich off of the claims of Climate Change do all the things that they promote as causes of such. THey own multiple huge houses with huge electric bills, they own houses on the beach, they fly in jets, they eat cow.

If they really believed in what they said, would they not set the example? Jesus set the example for everything He said. You can not find any hypocrite in Jesus. You can find nothing but hyprocrite in these Climate Change "Professors." I would rather consider them as false prophets.
QuixoticSoul · 41-45, M
@carsonfry [quote]@QuixoticSoul Probably a compilation of graphs from Al Gore, Jane Fonda, and all the other self defined Climate Scientologists.[/quote]
So, you can't read the graph 🤔

[quote]All I can say is I was scared almost to death as a child from the coming Ice Age, just as the children today have been indoctrinated to believe in Global Warming. [/quote]
You were scared to death because someone write a Newsweek article about some speculative research than never gained traction. And you're comparing it to a scientific consensus borne of five decades of solid research, and backed by every major scientific body on the planet. You had an inadequate reaction before, and you're having another one now.

[quote] why are all the predictions of sea level projections proven wrong decade after decade[/quote]
They have not been proven wrong.

[quote]why do these actors that get rich off of the claims of Climate Change do all the things that they promote as causes of such. THey own multiple huge houses with huge electric bills, they own houses on the beach, they fly in jets, they eat cow. If they really believed in what they said, would they not set the example? [/quote]
There are so many things here. First, what actors get rich off the claims of climate change? Second, you don't have to become a monk simply because you acknowledge certain scientific realities, none of this was caused by individual choices, and none of it will be solved by individual choices. Third, why wold you use actors as a barometer for anything lmao, they're actors.

And even if people are being hypocrites... it just means that people are hypocrites, and you're still missing the point.

[quote]You can not find any hypocrite in Jesus.[/quote] Jesus would side with the tree huggers in this.
JoeyFoxx · 51-55, M
Well, the planet has had climate crises in the past, though none of the inhabitants knew about what was happening when it happened.

Something created the Dark Ages, likely a small comet. It had a worldwide impact.
Something killed off the dinosuars, either a large meteor or volcanic eruptions. Or maybe both.

There have also been a handful of ice ages.

The current crisis is real and it's likely due to a combination of population and industry, but there could be other impacts as well.

For those of us who are prepared, it won't matter what others do.
QuixoticSoul · 41-45, M
@JoeyFoxx Of course it matters what other people do. You can be prepared for a total collapse, though no matter how you slice it, that would suck no matter how extensive your preparations.

But you're more likely to deal with a long series of much more mundane sort of malaise, and outside of serious wealth there is really no way to truly insulate yourself from it.
JoeyFoxx · 51-55, M
@QuixoticSoul I respectfully disagree
Tracos · 51-55, M
I actually think something is definitely not the way it should be...

Crisis... Not yet... But definitely a possibility in a very foreseeable future
hippyjoe1955 · 61-69, M
@Tracos What is not the way it should be? Honest question. Curious.
purplepen · 51-55, F
There are a lot of weather crises for sure. Some require scarves around the face because electricity is knocked out.
Yes there is a climate change - today its overcast 10% chance of rain.
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MasterLee · 56-60, M
That is very easy to explain. All you have to do is look at who owns the governments in the developed and most poluting nations. It has nothing to do with silly conspiracies.
Based upon that assessment, poverty, homelessness and gun violence must not exist, either. 😒
@bijouxbroussard yeah I mean it's not like we don't live in a democracy and you can't fool a sizable enough portion of the public to vote for politicians that make it very clear they won't do a god damn thing about it.

Not like the majority of the public is too ignorant to recognize their ignornace or anything...

except ... that's exactly how it is in the real world.
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QuixoticSoul · 41-45, M
@JAYS21 That's actually insanely rapid. People would be shitting their pants if we were talking about these kinds of swings. Which we're not, at all.
QuixoticSoul · 41-45, M
Interesting reasoning.

 
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