Is there really a climate crisis?

@hippyjoe1955 because Greta said so, they have taken her life, dreams and future from her 🤣

@hippyjoe1955 Another lie by omission.

@PicturesOfABetterTomorrow Which one is that? I was in the arctic a few weeks back. Still lots of ice and snow. It was supposed to all disappear.

@hippyjoe1955 You are one of those idiots who confuses weather and climate.

The lie in your statement is literally every instance where the estimates were wrong was because they were too conservative and optimistic. If anything those mistakes have proven we are even more fucked than they thought.

@PicturesOfABetterTomorrow Not at all. You are one of those idiots who believe the predictions. The big scare was that the arctic would melt by 2008. It hasn't. There is always fluctuation in ice mass but taking a long term (climate) look at things not a short term (weather) look at things indicate that there have been lots of times in the past when there was more or less ice coverage than now. I was talking to a friend of mine stationed in the high arctic. The temperature today is -14 C (about 7 F). How much ice is melting today?

@hippyjoe1955 So an entire field of science is magically wrong? Your counter argument proves you don't understand even the basics. And I suppose what normally takes 2 million years happening in 2 decades is normal?. By that logic an h bomb detonation is normal because background radiation exists.

@PicturesOfABetterTomorrow The entire field of science is deeply divided. The climate scientists in the main say there is no climate crisis or climate change beyond observed norms. Other scientists such a fruitfly experts think the world will end tomorrow. Now why don't you go back and look at some of the past predictions 'scientists' have made and compare that with reality. Manhattan was supposed to be underwater by 2018. The Maldives were supposed to be underwater by 2007. I saw a really pretty picture of the Maldives on my computer screen the other day and it was not under water. The arctic was supposed to be ice free by now. My friend in the high arctic says it hasn't been above freezing for weeks now. The average annual temperature is 0 F -18 C. Not much ice melting at that temperature.

@VeganNudist The only religion in evidence is from the climate activists. You can not debate science with them. Their mind is completely closed. Kind of sad.

@hippyjoe1955 https://nunatsiaq.com/stories/article/nunavuts-high-arctic-roasts-under-a-record-heat-wave/



I guess your friend missed this.


And nobody can seem to find these "scientists " that are divided on the issue.

@VeganNudist Please give it up. The number you cited is specious. 30,000 climate scientists leaders in the field said otherwise. If you count all the fruit fly experts in the world you couldn't match that number. Here is a hint. Your number came from the response to a question posed by a student. It was not statistically sound it simply sent out a questionnaire asking if the recipient scientist agreed with climate change or not. I don't have the exact numbers at my finger tips but it was 100 questionnaires were sent out and 25% responded. Of those 25% 97% agreed with the question. Two problems. First problem many of the respondents didn't use their name or qualification. We don't know if they responded with their honest opinion or if they responded to a joke. No follow up was done. Second problem. It is very likely that many of the 'scientists' who responded had no expertise in the field. Not a very good test of a theory. for several reasons. One of the logical errors is argumentum ad numeram. In English everyone believes therefore it is true. Not a sound argument at all. All the scientists believed the world was flat at one point. Then one man said differently.

@VeganNudist Good thing they aren't because none of the 41 'scientific' predictions have happened. When I was a kid we were all told we would freeze to death in the ice age starting in ten years. Then we were told we mustn't have kids because there would be mass food shortages and riots and people would be killing each other in the street over a crust of bread. Then we were told that the lakes would all be dead and the sun would cause cancer and then we would all be too hot. Funnily enough having circled the sun the number times I have I really see no difference between when I was a kid and now. The sun still gets up at the same time and sets at the same time and there is variation year over year. Sometimes so much snow you need skis to get around and the next year so little snow you can golf in January. The only constant about the weather and climate is that it changes. Nothing we can do to start the change or stop the change. However all the CO2 we are generating is great for plants and the Sahara desert is turning green around the edges as the plants thrive in the now food richer environment. According to a well known environmentalist the earth needs more CO2 in the atmosphere because without it the plants were being stressed.

@hippyjoe1955 [quote]Here is a hint. Your number came from the response to a question posed by a student. It was not statistically sound it simply sent out a questionnaire asking if the recipient scientist agreed with climate change or not. I don't have the exact numbers at my finger tips but it was 100 questionnaires were sent out and 25% responded. Of those 25% 97% agreed with the question.[/quote]
Hippie you're fucking stupid, that is not at all how that 97% number came about 😂

Best thing is that the study was actually discussed in this post.

@QuixoticSoul I can find zero evidence to support his claim that 30 000 climate scientists disagree with the consensus and apparently none of them have access to media to get their side across. lol

@PicturesOfABetterTomorrow He's discussing the so-called "Oregon petition" from 1998, which, ironically, suffered from the same sort of problems he's whining about.

Hell, most of the participants were [i]engineers[/i], and the number of climatology folks in there was pitifully small. No joke - 39, out of that 31k.

@QuixoticSoul I remember that. I can call myself a nuclear physicist and sign a paper but that doesn't make it true.