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I don’t think God Exists!!! Do You?

I asked God to stop Acts against me and he ignored me...
Speedyman · 70-79, M Best Comment
Yes! Read some history
hippyjoe1955 · 61-69, M
@newjaninev2

[quote]Why do we need to?[/quote]

[b]End of discussion.[/b] Too Funny!!
newjaninev2 · 56-60, F
@hippyjoe1955 The discussion didn’t even begin.

For that to happen, you’d first need to respond to my question.

Apparently you’re unable to do so

No surprises there
hippyjoe1955 · 61-69, M
@newjaninev2 Of course not. You shut it down with your nonsense.

[quote]Why do we need to?
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Don't worry toots you can deny it all in the morning. Yo do it all the time. You are Cleopatra queen of denial

ArishMell · 70-79, M
{My background - Anglican but liberally not dogmatically so, I have friends who are ordained in the Anglican Church, and a friend who is a Wiccan priestess; I am interested in why people believe as they do, but I am an agnostic.}

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No, I don't believe in gods and supernatural forces, but I am very well aware that believing in a god, or the same god by one or another religion or sect, does provide comfort for many people.



Let's pass over this sterile, binary notion that you believe in the Ancient Hebrew "God" - capital 'G' or nothing - and consider instead belief or otherwise generally. So any god(s) / goddess /~es; and by any humanly-constructed doctrinal or sectarian system, true to its own followers.

let's instead consider what sincere religious belief does and almost certainly has done since Paleolithic, possibly also Neanderthal, times.

In fact we cannot know when, where and how belief in deities started, though ancient burials are a reasonable indication of some form of spiritual concepts. However, all known religions past and present share vital common threads:-

- Yearning to understand natural features and processes. If you can't understand it, and certainly can't control it but life and death depend on it, then at least credit a god for it. And make sure you keep on that god's right side.

- Yearning to place your life in that god's work. This provides spiritual comfort by a feeling of being part of your god's scheme. It is though hard to see how the Ancient Greek and Roman pantheons could have provided that, and their weakness might have contributed to the simpler and more direct Christianity taking over.

- Lessening the fear of death, though not necessarily of what will kill you; by giving a reason to invent the eternal palimpsest that Christians call the "soul". The after-life concept is so ancient and universal that we can gain an insight into ancient societies' daily lives from their grave-goods. NB: we cannot know their religious beliefs from those alone; only be reasonably certain they held such beliefs by the evidence of funerary rites.

- Providing what we could call "bereavement counselling". The loss would have felt by the Palaeolithic or late-Neanderthal family as much as by today's; so giving the deceased a good send-off to the "after-life" as part of comforting the bereaved, would have been as important as it is to we modern Christian, Muslims, Hindhus, Humanists, Wiccans, agnostics, etc., etc. The concept of a funeral being a "celebration and thanksgiving" of the life gone, might be modern, but still in line with that primal, possibly instinctive, need.

- Re-inforcing social frameworks. The Ten Commandments are a neat example of that, even if you don't follow the Abrahamic,or any, faiths. You don't need believe in a god to know it's wrong to steal thy neighbour's oxen or spouse, but to a society like the Ancient Hebrews, thinking "Because God says so" would have strongly re-inforced rules for social cohesion and mutual good. Jesus took that a step further by adding basic humanity, and essentially saying "Because God says so", too.

- Humility. Sadly religion has long been, and remains, a powerful force for arrogance and control by using its deities as ready-made scapegoats for those human weaknesses. Yet blaming one's god for being a bully by pretending to be acting for it, upturns the fundamental spiritual need to place we mere humans within a far greater entirety. A result of a god's work we might be - the pinnacle of that work; oh, no, we are not!

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So when you ask whether anyone else believes in the capital-'G' "God" because he appears to ignore your demands, I am afraid you miss two points:

- Firstly, whilst no-one can prove the existence or non-existence of any deity / deities; spiritual beliefs are a primeval, almost instinctive, human need that answers similarly innate human needs at a deep level.

- Secondly, it overlooks the basis of religious belief beyond artificial boundaries of faiths, sects, dogmas and deity-names. That basis beyond puts its deities in charge of humans, not vice-versa; but hands human behaviour to the charge of humans.

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So whilst prayer may comfort in times of distress, religious faith is not a conduit for what amount to requests for Hogwarts-esque intervention in day-to-day life.

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[Edited to correct misplaced word.]
ArishMell · 70-79, M
@Speedyman I will knock this nonsense on the head.

You are a fervent Christian - I respect that.

I know you believe your faith to be spiritual truth - I respect that, but I also respect people of faiths finding theirs to be their own spiritual truth.

I am not a "post modern", which you appear to mean anyone who believes in religious freedom and does not follow your sect.

I know the difference between spiritual "truth" (personal religious belief and need) and the day-to-day truth of, say arithmetic.

I do not believe in any undefined "wishy-washy stuff" and "caucus races" (I do not know what those, but gather they a detail of the politics of a country foreign to me).

I neither believe in nor deny the existence of gods, because neither case can be proven. However, I accept all sincere religious beliefs.

I do not worry what faiths individuals follow - and some of my friends are practicing Christians; I have also known a few Jews, a Moslem and couple of Wiccans.

(I attended by invitation the Anglican ordination to deacon of one - since then she has become ordained as a priest. The last funeral I attended, just before the lock-down stopped congregations, I attended the highly-religious Salvation Army funeral of another friend. I have also been a guest at two Catholic services, the Confirmation of a girl-friend's niece as I recall, and the funeral of a manager at my work.)


[i]I conclude with four vital points and if you cannot accept them, that is your problem:[/i]

- The main religions share similar deep concepts of creative supernatural deity and spiritual after-life, beyond the artificial differences defining individual faiths and sects for their own followers.

- Individual, sincere religious belief including agnosticism and atheism, should only ever be entirely personal.

- Adoption, conversion or apostacy of any religious belief should only ever by free choice.

And from these...

- No faith should ever be used against other faiths and people.
Speedyman · 70-79, M
So boys have teeth and crocodiles have teeth and therefore boys are crocodiles?@ArishMell
ArishMell · 70-79, M
@Speedyman :-) :-) :-)
Elessar · 26-30, M
The one worshiped by people I have around is paradoxical, hence no, I don't.

Elessar · 26-30, M
@Adstar [quote]anything that can be done.. [/quote] Does not match the definition of omnipotence. By this reasoning it's own existence would be to be discarded, since incompatible with the laws of the universe.
Adstar · 56-60, M
@Elessar I could not care less about mans definition of omnipotence.. And the laws of the universe are just that the Laws of this Universe.. God the creator of this universe is not limited by this universe or it's laws..
Elessar · 26-30, M
@Adstar Which sounds like a good escape route from addressing paradoxes. I mean, anything and everything could be justified the same way.
SW-User
Of all the years I known you !!damn!! @TheOneyouwerewarnedabout
KuroNeko · 41-45, F
@TheOneyouwerewarnedabout that's deep, man.
[image deleted]@TheOneyouwerewarnedabout
ShadowDancer · 41-45, M
I do, and he does!
@Speedyman [quote]Quite pathetic[/quote]
We all know you are, you don't need to keep proving it. Thanks anyway.
Speedyman · 70-79, M
Sharon · F
@NortiusMaximus All he ever does is insult everyone who doesn't agree with him. He's just a silly old man with nothing to say - but he'll say it anyway. :(
SW-User
I was brought up an Irish Catholic, but I don't believe there is a God for logical reasons. If you assume that the universe and all life can be explained as the creation of God, He must obviously be of a higher degree of organization than His product. So we've then got the problem, "who created God"? and that's the first step in an infinite regression.
hippyjoe1955 · 61-69, M
@SW-User No it is not possible they are on the wrong track. The more science they do the more they realize that spontaneous life is impossible. Google James Tour. He is THE leading chemist in this field by a long shot. He is doing things with organic chemicals that others can only dream about. He has a couple of very interesting videos up on youtube where he discusses the fraud chemistry perpetrated by the evolutionist side. Building a life form as simple as a bacteria is impossible to do in the best lab in the world with the best chemists in the world trying to imitate the known pattern before them. They can't do on purpose what you believe nature did by accident.
SW-User
@hippyjoe1955 We’re getting off my original point, which was that if there is currently no scientific explanation for something, that’s all it is: we don’t understand it yet. Otherwise you can apply that same logic to everything you don’t understand: “ok we don’t understand it; therefore it must be God’s work”
hippyjoe1955 · 61-69, M
@SW-User The point of science is not to say 'we don't understand it yet'. The point of science is to come up with the most plausible explanation. The most plausible explanation is that there is a Supernatural Being that created the universe and all that is in it. Steven Meyer has a book out called Return to the God Hypothesis. The God explanation is much better science than 'we don't know and can't replicate' such is the evolutionist theory at the moment. Evolution as proposed by Darwin was based on ignorance. Darwin believed that protoplasm was a simple substance easily made. Of course he believed that cells were simply little bags of protoplasm. We now know differently. What is inside a cell is incredibly complex and its spontaneous existence is truly impossible. It just can't happen that way because nothing works that way. The chemicals don't react that way. A number of years ago a bright young scientist wrote a book called Chemical Predestination. At the time he was convinced that life was the inevitable result of spontaneous chemical reaction. However the more he studied chemistry the more he realized how wrong he was. He has since renounced his own book as a work of youthful folly.
If you were to keep me in your thoughts it could not hurt and I would be really grateful. That’s the nicest thing anyone has said to me in a long time. 🤗 @MrBrownstone
@SW-User [quote]Heimlich[/quote]
Oh ye of little faith. :( You should trust God to to do what's right for you, even if that means letting you die.
@Spoiledbrat [quote]People of course aren’t going stop and pray rather than perform the heimlich. [/quote]
Why not? Don't they have faith in their god?
kodiac · 22-25, M
You will get a ton of answers but none will actually answer your question.Most of all how its your fault god didn't help you
You are right. God does not exist. Evil people exist. And they use their made up excuse that everything is God's will to justify their horrifying abuse of others.
Speedyman · 70-79, M
Sorry but your post was just not true@CleverFunnyNameGoesHere
@Sharon I forgive him. He doesn't understand what he is doing.
@Speedyman it is true. But you don't believe it. And that is your right. Maybe the people there OP is having problem with don't believe in God and are just being evil.
Carazaa · F
Do you serve him? If you haven’t repented your sins and seek his face and serve him he will not hear!
I was a Christian for 10 years but only after I asked him why are you not blessing me did he show me that I hadn’t served him and I needed to put him first in tithing and faith and obedience! [b]Then he answered my prayers![/b]
Carazaa · F
@Zeusdelight true! Very sad! Only 8 people made it on the arc the others died!
Zeusdelight · 61-69, M
@Carazaa You are proud of your Faith and Proud of your knowledge. I think that is the difficulty here. Humility plays an important role in Faith.
Carazaa · F
@Zeusdelight
Humility is important absolutely! But God says you can do nothing without me so I realize that it was God who saved me and gave me faith and I can do nothing without him! To God be the Glory!
I don't believe it's possible that a god could exist.

I don't believe any kind of conscious entity could exist separate from a living physical body. It takes a body to metabolise the energy and drive the nervous system that makes awareness and intelligence possible.
@hippyjoe1955 Sadly for you. Not for me.
I get it that your faith is such that you feel sorry for everyone who doesn't believe as you do.
It is never the same for those who don't believe.
We're happy as we are - or at least I certainly am.
___

This is how it is for me.

If I sit and observe my conscious awareness of sense perceptions and cognitive processes, I observe that they take energy.

It is literally bioelectrical energy created by the exchange of electrons in a chain reaction down the axon and dendrites, and transmitted to the neighbouring axons via the firing of neurotransmitters like oxytocin, serotonin or any one of 84 other biochemicals. I can feel the effects of them because each carries a specific emotional and cognitive sensation.
The computer networks talking to each other via electrical impulses across the world make an excellent analogy. They couldn't do it without electricity derived from the sun, wind, hydro, nuclear fission or fossil fuels.

I know that if I need energy I must breathe, exercise, eat, drink and sleep regularly.
The body cannot create energy without these metabolic processes being regularly supplied.
Thus there is no consciousness without the body.
We make sense of it via complex layers of coding, and the same occurs in how our brains make sense of the electrical stimuli triggered by our senses. All of it is actually physical.

But if I were to stop eating and drinking for three days, by the end of it I would die. There would be zero consciousness left.
It is, in fact, how we define the moment of death.
We can even read it with an ECG machine.
hippyjoe1955 · 61-69, M
@hartfire Silly you. When I was young and stupid I was a very evangelical atheist. I would confront any Christian I ever met. I loved to explain to them all the science and stuff I had learned in school. Then I began to doubt my faith. I was noticing the extreme detailed designs in both living creatures. I wasn't a biologist but still I could see that there was intricate design in everything I looked at. The thing worked! How could it work and replicate it success without being designed. It couldn't. Not a chance it could work without some fantastic design Designer behind it. The more I looked the more convinced I became. Then one warm summer day I was walking across the open prairie when I saw this little white rock poking above the native grasses. I'm not sure why but I felt the need to kneel at that little rock and as I did I met the ONE that I had been denying existed. You see I have been on both sides of the debate and remain firmly on this side because of science, logic and experience. Sucks to be you that have always been on one side and have your fingers in your ears yelling "Can't hear you" to all and sundry.
Carazaa · F
@hippyjoe1955
Me too! I was just a kid but I did not at all believe in God and decided to kind of prove to myself that the Bible was a joke but then one day I wanted to test God and I asked him to prove to me he existed by moving a penny while I sleep. I woke up and the penny was still there and that’s when God saved me! Instantly I felt ashamed for doubting God and realized that he does not have to prove his existence to me at all and I cried and begged for forgiveness for doubting and for being so disrespectful! I promised God to dedicate my life to him and go wherever he wants me to go and do whatever he wants me to do!
It is not your fault if someone (or multiple someone's) hurt you and when you asked for help you did not receive it. You are allowed to not believe in God because of this if you so choose.
kodiac · 22-25, M
If god does exist he is very selective on who he helps and who he doesn't but no one seems to know why.
Carazaa · F
@kodiac God knows why! He says I have compassion on whom I have compassion! We are all doomed to hell because of our sins but if we repent he might forgive us and save us!
kodiac · 22-25, M
@Carazaa Or he might not.
Carazaa · F
@kodiac
Or he might not! That’s true! He is no puppet!
NankerPhelge · 61-69, M
I don't believe there's a Great Man In The Sky looking down on us and watching our every move. I'd have seen him by now if there was. No, I think God is an abstract concept to personify good, just as Satan is an abstract concept to personify evil.
Sharon · F
@Carazaa [quote]In the sunrise![/quote]
That's the work of The Flying Spaghetti Monster, nothing to do with your false god! r'Amen.
@Sharon r'Amen, Sister.

[sep]

@Carazaa Looks like you proved @Sharon right.
Carazaa · F
@Sharon
👍️ Great! So we agree for once that God made to sin and the earth! I call God Jesus, and you spaghetti monster!
OtuLight · 26-30, M
I do actually. I believe in God through faith. Without that I won't be alive today or probably I will be living my darkest life each day. If you really want to know if God exist than seek him out, called out his name, invite him into your life. All it take is one leap of faith and a tremendous amount of patience 😊 I hope you'll get what you're looking for.
Adstar · 56-60, M
@OtuLight Yep.. Sometimes you got to keep on knocking..
Sharon · F
@OtuLight [quote] If you really want to know if God exist than seek him out, [/quote]
We can say the same of any god. If you believe it exists, then it does for you. In the same way, Santa Claus is real to those children who believe in Him.
Entwistle · 56-60, M
God gives us our daily bread...erm..but I earn the money to buy it! God doesnt give bread daily to millions of hungry folk. Indeed he lets 1000s starve to death every day.
SW-User
Hello friend !!@Speedyman
Speedyman · 70-79, M
Hi@SW-User
SW-User
@Speedyman I miss you
Chelsiegirl · 46-50, T
Im a total athiest. Im cool.
Carazaa · F
@Chelsiegirl hopefully for you!
Chelsiegirl · 46-50, T
@Carazaa ya im totally cool
SW-User
Can't be ignored by someone who isn't real can you?
Budwick · 70-79, M
Yes, I do!
I know He exists.
SW-User
I know He does. I know the Bible is the real and reliable Word of God. I know that Jesus died and rose again for the sins of the world.
SW-User
@SW-User It is not "evidence" of anything. It is a collection of parables, stories, teachings and myths, assembled in a highly selective manner, with many books left out, over 400 years after the death of Christ. Even Christian scholars agree that the Bible cannot be used as factual evidence for historical events. I'm not saying that its teachings are all BS. There's a lot of good life lessons in it (plus a lot of BS about taking up Serpents, etc.).
@Chelsiegirl That's funny - you have a very nice sense of irony. :)
Chelsiegirl · 46-50, T
@hartfire i like scifi lol. Plus if some person rised from the dead i would be very susspitios of him or her.
SW-User
One distinct person god just doesn't make sense to me.
KuroNeko · 41-45, F
@SW-User it does seem like theres some kind of intervention. I think this is some big learning, multiplayer game, personally.
SW-User
@KuroNeko We are just Sims? :-)
KuroNeko · 41-45, F
@SW-User this is the simulation. We are playing characters without realizing it.
riseofthemachine · 41-45, M
Sometimes the cruelest of acts means God is near with you. Check out the " Footprints of the sand" prayer . It's very reassuring
MasterLee · 56-60, M
@riseofthemachine shows there is no god and that's reassuring?
SW-User
I am not a believer, but if I was I wouldn't expect a god to intervene in human affairs otherwise we'd never do anything for ourselves.
Everyone else just wants her to hop on board. @SW-User
GuyWithOpinions · 31-35, M
"god" is a force, not an entity. look inward. dont expect a divine power to come down and smite your enemies. change comes from within you. your environment is a reflection of what you put out in the world. how others perceive you.
SW-User
hippyjoe1955 · 61-69, M
@SW-User I mean that we have a will(determination). We have thought(stream of consciousness). We have presence (physical body). God has Will (aka the Father) God has Thought (the Son aka Jesus) and God is Spirit (His Presence). From the Will springs the Thought thus the Father Son analogy.
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Speedyman · 70-79, M
You are so wrong my friend. Where on earth did you go to school? @BobGrant45
Carazaa · F
@BobGrant45 I know Him!
There is no evidence that God exists. Some people claim they have evidence but they're never able to present it so they're almost certainly lying.
SW-User
@Speedyman okay! How are you ?
Speedyman · 70-79, M
Fine. PM if you want to chat@SW-User
SW-User
@Speedyman okay i will mister
SAE5W30 · 46-50, M
He doesn't . You wasted your time
Speedyman · 70-79, M
He does. You wasted your time@SAE5W30
SAE5W30 · 46-50, M
@Speedyman Good thing you're about to find out.
Speedyman · 70-79, M
Thankfully I have already found out that he is there and he is listening@SAE5W30
MasterLee · 56-60, M
because he is mythical
Nope, superstition!
SW-User
Of course not.
SW-User
People say that you have to do the work and god will make it happen. I am agnostic what would I know.
That’s because we do the work ourselves anyway. 🤔 @Dirtymikeandtheboys
@Spoiledbrat right.
Miram · 31-35, F
Possibly but not the kind of god we think of.
basilfawlty89 · 31-35, M
@Miram depends also on the definition of God. In my religion, God isn't really a person or anthropomorphic. God really is more of an all encompassing energy that is the source of consciousness, wisdom and order.
Miram · 31-35, F
@basilfawlty89

Not so sure about that. That definition exists in some other faiths including my ancestors'.

I think god might be completely different than anything we are capable of conceptualizing, understanding and describing.

Do you also believe in polygamy and other rituals within yours?
basilfawlty89 · 31-35, M
@Miram Zoroastrianism is typically monogamous, however we are told not to engage in asceticism, so we are allowed to engage in premarital sex, we can drink alcohol, etc. There was historical polygamy though, as Zarathustra himself was poly. So it is allowed. It should also be noted our religion regards men and women as equal, although with the hereditary sects, most priesthood has been all male.
Idk, but If he / she / whatever does, he / she / whatever has gotta be pissed
SinlessOnslaught · 26-30, M
I’m confused about whether He exists or not.
kodiac · 22-25, M
@SinlessOnslaught Amen bro lol
Adstar · 56-60, M
Yes God exists without a doubt..

And we live is an evil world.. So bad, sometimes very bad, things happen to us because of other people.. Sometimes God will either pull you out of a situation or give you the strengh to make it through a situation.. May you overcome what has happened to you.
MrBrownstone · 46-50, M
@Adstar So good allows an evil world?
Adstar · 56-60, M
@MrBrownstone For a time.. But not forever..
kodiac · 22-25, M
I do but it is not kind or fair.
Carazaa · F
@kodiac I’m so happy to hear that you are considering that there is! But trust me God is more than loving and very fair! He hates injustice and there are consequences for our actions in this life We have to yield to him and grow emotionally but if people refuse then it is not a pretty picture! This life is very short but eternity awaits! And it will be a perfect world all the time! You’ll see 🙂 stay strong one day at a time! Give to God your tithing and treat people the way you want to be treated! God will take good care of you!
I am a believer. I try to live by this quote, "God gives his toughest battles to His strongest soldiers." But regardless of whether you believe or not, this next part will still apply to you. Things might be bad right now, but who's to say it won't get better next? The only thing to do now is to think positive and fight through it.
Butterflykisses24 · 51-55, F
Sorry you were not heard.I pray with you as there is power in agreement.Lord Jesus I lift up Alex's intentions,put a hedge of protection around her.I ask that you prove yourself to her,God so she could know you.I ask this in the name of Jesus.
Chevy454 · 46-50, M
Absolutely not.
english · 56-60, M
he is a picky old bastard 😆
TeirdalinFirefall · 31-35, M
Many may argue that Joe Biden is god.
TeirdalinFirefall · 31-35, M
@Speedyman That's also true. lol
SW-User
@TeirdalinFirefall Not as many as those who not only argue, but wholeheartedly believe, that Trump is God. But seriously, once Biden dumps Trump he should step aside and let Harris take the reins.
TeirdalinFirefall · 31-35, M
@SW-User All three are pretty awful. Although I really don't mind Harris too much. We need someone to stop the rioters that are going crazy and she probably will, hard if she could get into office.
nuddie · 61-69, M
I don’t either
❤ I'm sorry. Maybe you should seek help from, parents, friends,counselling depends whats going on.

I do think theres a God but I cant answer why if you seek his help he/she doesn't. Not all prayers are answered mines included.
You don't ask for things an expect them, its not effing Santa Claus lol
Sharon · F
@MushroomFaerie Santa doesn't let you down. :)
@Sharon Santa hasn't visited me in years. God isn't supposed to hand you things on a silver platter and nurse you like a baby.
Life is hard and that's exactly the point. Too many people blame a higher power for things they should really be tackling themselves
Sharon · F
@MushroomFaerie [quote]Santa hasn't visited me in years.[/quote]
That's probably because your faith isn't strong enough.

[quote]God isn't supposed to hand you things on a silver platter[/quote]
It's all in the mind anyway, it's not real.
KuroNeko · 41-45, F
If you don't believe then why all the anger at him not listening?
KuroNeko · 41-45, F
@CleverFunnyNameGoesHere I guess some people only believe if things go their way.
@KuroNeko well the whole point of thre God myth is that if you believe enough and pray enough and are good enough that God will protect you and help you. So if God doesn't protect you when someone hurts you then you must be evil right? So what if the acts against her is that she was rapped or sexually assaulted? The logic of the myth would demand her to believe that she wasn't good enough for God to protect.

I wouldn't believe in a god that would let other people who I had never harmed get away with hurting me. No one should in my opinion. Being a victim of a crime does not mean that she needs to blame herself as the god myth demands.

And making that choice doesn't mean that she's only believing if things go her way. It means that if God is real, he's not worthy of her belief.
KuroNeko · 41-45, F
@CleverFunnyNameGoesHere this is the problem with letting other people tell you what to believe.
Mindful · 56-60, F
There is a powerful entity greater than us, yes. We are a small part of it, just like every single creature on earth.
DailyFlash · 56-60, M
The God people pray to when they want their song “Boats and Hoes” to win a Grammy doesn’t exist.
StevetheSleeve · 31-35, M
I don’t believe god exists but I have no alternative answer to the wtf is this all about.

 
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