I don’t think God Exists!!! Do You?

@SW-User Childish assumptions on parr with most people who were raised catholic. Time is a product of this creation. We can not limit the Creator with the limits of His creation.

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Nothing can come from Nothing..

For anything to exist there must be an eternally existing something to cause all things apart from it to come into existence..

That eternally existing something is a Someone.. God..

The problem of infinite regression is that it cannot exist.. It cannot be true because no matter how far back you go the problem of the need of an already existed created being will always be there..

And as Hippyjoe has already pointed out the universe has as an integral part of it Universe Time.. God having created the universe space also created universe time.. God therefore is outside both Universe space and universe time.. He exists in his own time outside and totally not dependent on our time..

@hippyjoe1955 But in saying that, you are basically telling God what He may and may not be. The trouble is, people have their own interpretation of God and assign their own arbitrary "rules" to Him. I think that God is simply a human construction to explain the currently unexplainable. Everything from thunderstorms to earthquakes was assigned to God at some point. He's becoming less and less necessary, except, of course, as an object of faith. At the end of the day people do not KNOW God exists...they BELIEVE He exists.

And while we're at it, if God does exist then She's definitely a Goddess. After all, life comes from the female.

@SW-User Not really. What I am saying is that when we look around us we see a wonderful creation of immense complexity and extremely fine tuned intricacy. Such an existence can not happen by 'natural' causes. We keep showing ourselves that even as we try to prove that nature is sufficient. So let's go beyond the idea that the universe is simply a natural occurrence. What must its Creator be? A little 6 foot tall guy with a long beard obviously isn't sufficient. So what must a Creator Being be? His Name gives us a clue. His name is I AM. I AM has the ring of eternity to it. He is not restricted by time as we know it since He created it. He is not restricted by space as we know it because He created that too. He is not restricted by physics or chemistry or any other natural phenomena since He created them. He is not restricted by bodily life or death since they too are a part of His creation. That doesn't even touch on the complex issues like "What is gravity" "What is energy" "What is information". "What is life".

@SW-User That is the old schoolboy question. Who created God is the one I left behind at school. Just how can omnipotent eternal being be created? And if God can fit into your tiny brain is he worth worshipping?

@Speedyman Much the same as trying to attach genital to God. The Bible is quite clear that gender is biology not Spiritual matters. God is referred to as male because of His interaction with His Creation. Not to make Him a male but to give us a guide in how to interact with Him. I believe we all had very different relationships with our earthly fathers than we did with our earthly mothers.

@hippyjoe1955 as opposed to the brilliant minds of Protestantism who dance with snakes?

@basilfawlty89 You sound like a bigot. Are you a bigot? You take one tiny little group whom most protestants deny are even Christian and use it to smear protestants? BTW I don't view myself as being protestant. I view myself as adhering to the evangelical/anabaptist tradition.

@hippyjoe1955 that's a bit rich claiming bigotry as a Protestant. You just insulted Catholics. Furthermore let's remember what you lot did to Ireland.

@basilfawlty89 Most evangelical Christians myself included and a goodly number of Orthodox Christians do not believe the catholic church is Christian. There are Christians in the catholic church but the church itself has wandered from the Christian message. I have gone to a number of catholic services and have heard all kinds of heterodoxy being taught. Praying to Mary, purgatory, Jesus is angry with you etc. Jesus and St Paul wouldn't see their teachings spoken in the catholic church.

@Speedyman So you say that I have a tiny brain because it is scientifically impossible that God can exist. I would say the same to you because you clearly only get your "facts" about God's existence from the Bible, and the rest of it is TRULY blind faith on your part.

@SW-User It is scientifically impossible for God not to exist. Chemicals don't react the way needed to bring about any life form. Not to mention the information in the DNA and the ability to read the DNA code. That can only come from Intelligence. No way it can just spontaneously erupt. Only small brained atheists think otherwise.

@hippyjoe1955 But organic compounds have been shown to form in laboratory conditions. It may not be "life" but its the building blocks of life. And the only people who are small brained are those who think "Oh, all this science stuff just goes over my head. I don't understand how life began, so it MUST be down to God. Wow! I am so intelligent!"

@SW-User Nothing that even comes close to what is needed to form life. Pure silliness that keeps getting recycled. The big experiment brought about a few black ashes in the bottom of the test tube that didn't really contain any proteins or amino acids or liptides or..... But not to be concerned the 'science' showed that if you artificially monkey with the environment and control the kinds of chemicals available you too can come up with something silly people will believe is the beginning of life. It is said that there are 1 E+90 atoms in the known universe. There has been about 1 E+72 seconds since the beginning of the universe. There are 1 E+42,000 different ways the atoms in a cell can combine. One of them will support life. The rest will not.

@hippyjoe1955 whereas your preachers barely require a functional knowledge of theology. Please.

@basilfawlty89 Says someone who never goes to church. Never attended seminary and has never read the Bible to someone who leads church, taught at seminary and reads the Bible daily. Now that is funny!

@hippyjoe1955 I’m not suggesting we’re anywhere close to understanding how life began. What I am saying is that it’s sheer laziness to dismiss it as all being down to God just because it’s just a stupendously complex process.

@SW-User It is not sheer laziness since it has been tried repeatedly since 1962. None of them have been successful. Now we are starting to realize why. It is quite simple. Chemicals don't react that way. You simply can not take the chemicals and toss them in a pot and have life emerge. The chemicals can't do it. Not that that is the biggest problem. If you could get all the chemicals to form exactly the right way you would not have life. You see life is information not biology or chemistry. A perfectly formed cell is not alive. It needs to be able to read the information stored in the DNA code. No one can explain how that is even possible. It would be much simpler if nature caused 3 D printers. After all 3 D printers are much more rudimentary things than any life form.

@hippyjoe1955 No. no one can explain it yet, and that’s what makes it such a puzzle. But it does not mean that just because we can’t explain it yet, it must be down to God.

@SW-User Actually it does. the sheer complexity of the processes needed to create such things as living cells and their information and information storage and information reading ability. These are not simple chemical reactions. They are information and information only comes from a source of Intelligence. We can not duplicate the proteins we find in a living cell but somehow it can use its processes and duplicate all the different proteins and liptides and amino acids and carbohydrates from things it finds just lying around. That is just single celled creature whether plant or animal. Then there is the even more complex systems of the multicelled creatures whose cells become the organ they need based on the placement in the body. Take a stem cell and put it in the region of the heart and it will become a heart cell. Put the same stem cell in the region of the liver and it becomes a liver cell. Not to mention the complex interactions of all life to form complete ecosystems that can recycle virtually every thing! Incredible complexity from smallest to biggest and no way that any of it can happen simply by chemical or physical reactions.

Explanations about how things work are not about God. The whole thing shows design, because I know I have a car works does not mean to say it isn’t designed. Your problem is that you think because you know the mechanism you can rule out the agency . Not so a@SW-User

@hippyjoe1955 it can and has happened. It’s just taken billions of years.

@SW-User Not a chance. There simply isn't enough time to make the chemicals to do the impossible. The point is that it is not a one and done. From known chemistry under very special conditions you can make a protein or two but in doing so you have to introduce exactly the right chemical at exactly the right time. To complicate things even more - the chemicals are not stable. If they form too soon they caramelize and become useless. If they form too late all the other chemicals caramelize and become equally useless. Each part has to be added at exactly the right time in the right proportion not to mention it must start and stop several times. There simply isn't enough time since the formation of the earth. Then there is the small problem of the Cambrian explosion where all kinds of fully formed multicellular creatures make a sudden appearance with no earlier life forms they could have evolved from. What's more they did this very very suddenly/quickly. No possible 'natural' explanation covers what we see.

@hippyjoe1955 I’m no chemist so it’s possible scientists are on the wrong track regarding life’s origins. I’ll say again though, just because people claim there’s no explanation for something does not mean there will never be one, and that it’s clearly the work of a supernatural being.

@SW-User No it is not possible they are on the wrong track. The more science they do the more they realize that spontaneous life is impossible. Google James Tour. He is THE leading chemist in this field by a long shot. He is doing things with organic chemicals that others can only dream about. He has a couple of very interesting videos up on youtube where he discusses the fraud chemistry perpetrated by the evolutionist side. Building a life form as simple as a bacteria is impossible to do in the best lab in the world with the best chemists in the world trying to imitate the known pattern before them. They can't do on purpose what you believe nature did by accident.