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proroguing Parliment?

OK, so now our un elected PM wants to close parliment is this right or wrong, please no stupid replies, I'd like a sensible conversation.
Harriet03 · 41-45, F Best Comment
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@Harriet03 just out of shot putin is wanking off over on a balcony above them
Harriet03 · 41-45, F

plungesponge · 41-45, M
The UK is going for a No Deal Brexit. Overall there is nothing in Britain itself that needs to go badly except the EU is probably going to make it as unpleasant as possible. Ireland is another matter, the chance of violence there is high.

I suspect Britain's standing in the world will take a hit
plungesponge · 41-45, M
@Kwek00 lol how pathetic. You still can't admit you fvcked up
Kwek00 · 41-45, M
@plungesponge I admided to being wrong on the terms "UK" and "Britain" , 3 times by now? I even said you made a point? Stop living in the past man.
milkymum1 · 31-35, F
@plungesponge The problem with the UK is it imports a lot more than it manufactures, a lot who want Brexit have the idea of "the empire".

Irland is very diffecault and was very much forgotton by all during the refurendum and to date boris and co don't care about N. Ireland, even people who still want brexit prefer irland to go!!!!!

I'm sure the UK reputation has taken a huge knock from all of this mess and is only going down hill fast.
helenS · 36-40, F
I predict that the UK will eventually become a de-facto member of the EU, but without any voting rights or veto rights, similar to Norway. I simply can't see any alternatives that would work. Proceedings will be slow and exhausting, however.

The big winner of all this, in my opinion, will be Germany.
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milkymum1 · 31-35, F
@helenS Sad to say the UK will end up a vassel state and will find it very hard for a long time but Boris and co will be alright and that's all they care about.
helenS · 36-40, F
@milkymum1 British millionaires and billionaires will be the only ones who capitalize on Brexit. That's why they launched the campaign, feeding the masses with cheapo nationalism.
What surprises me is that several SW members that I like [u]very[/u] much, are Brexit fans. I don't get it. It's a mystery.
helenS · 36-40, F
What's happening now is what they really meant by "Let's take our country back": removing democratic institutions, replacing them by unelected members of the upper class.
Yes they are taking it back. And the crowd eats it up. 😕
milkymum1 · 31-35, F
@helenS yes very strange too that if this were another country the outcry these so called MPs who are doing this would be saying.
SW-User
I think Boris has taken a very dangerous step towards changing the Democracy of UK. I think this is the first of many shocks which we now face here. As a UK citizen, I am worried about our future as I know a lot of people are.
milkymum1 · 31-35, F
@SW-User Yes he has taken a very dangerous step with OUR democracy by doing this, i fear this as my 3 sons are UK citizens and I just see what Boris is doing is for his own interest.
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@wetncthru I think you are absolutely correct !
wetncthru · F
@SW-User Occassionally.
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Boris is revelling in his position of "DICTATOR of the UK"
milkymum1 · 31-35, F
@SW-User Yes he is certianlly turning in to a mini dictartor!!
Quizzical · 46-50, M
Parliament has had more than enough time to agree upon something, but instead of working together have childishly been blocking any and all proposals. A situation which could potentially have gone on endlessly. This move at least breaks that deadlock by making their objections immaterial and moves us forward in some direction.

So, I actually agree with this move.
milkymum1 · 31-35, F
@Quizzical Blocked by the same people who voted against May deal everytime until she said she'd resgin, surely by stopping Parliment your stopping the debate and ultimantly the solution because boris hasn't got a solution!!
milkymum1 · 31-35, F
@Harriet03 Yes May deal is still on the table and is the ONLY deal alvailable, boris has broguth on this mess he and many others voted may deal down for one reason for thier own power struggle to be the next leader.

the problem was may didn't ask the oppersition until it was to late to do anything, the tories haven't accpeted they can't get anything done unless they talk to the opperstiion.
Harriet03 · 41-45, F
@milkymum1 I surprised that people are surprised, it was obvious it would end up like this.
Hardly rocket science hun 🤷‍♀️
Dominantsoul · 56-60, M
What's the difference, our elected mp"s are going against the will of the people. So if Boris is being anti democratic, so is Corbyn and that stupid woman from the libdems.
Why can't those who voted remain accept they lost and support our country in its next steps.
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milkymum1 · 31-35, F
@whowasthatmaskedman No they aren't they are picked by the parties.
Dominantsoul · 56-60, M
@milkymum1 There will be no deal, we will not leave now. There will be another refurendum and the decision will be overturned. If and when that happens there will be an even bigger divide in this country than there is now. Democracy will have lost because the original democratic vote will be overturned as if it never happened. There will be riots and segregation like never before and there will be ratial tension which will spill over through the ignorant few who voted on that basis. This country is a laughing stock. All those polotician who said brexit MUST happen are now going back on their words, hypocrites. Regardless of what you think of Boris and I think he's an idiot, at least he's trying to fulfill the will of the people in the original vote. It is sickening to me that 17 million people will be shit on from a great hight and refuse to listen instead they choose to put their own choices ahead of those that put them in power.
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I honestly don't think he has any choice. The people are sick of the Brexit saga now and Parliament will never agree on a plan. A second referendum would be undemocratic so I don't see any other way but to suspend Parliament , leave the EU either with or without a deal on October 31st , let the dust settle and negotiate trade deals then go for a general election aroun March of next year.
whowasthatmaskedman · 70-79, M
@SW-User I can make economic arguments why a hard Brexit is a viable and possibly least worst option. Largely because the EU overplayed its hand and put way to high a price on the soft option to scare Britain into staying. But now most of the issues that Britain had to find and fund solutions for will be the EU nations issues to deal with. Most of the nation to nation trade deals are already written and in safes, ready to go. Much of the loss that Britain will face (and it will face some) will be due to a recession that was coming anyway. Now Britain will not be asked to pay up for Greece, Portugal, Spain and the rest when their governments come cap in hand again.
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@whowasthatmaskedman that is true and world economics run in cycles , boom and bust. It is the back stop that is one of the major stumbling blocks and we will never have a Parliament that will agree a way forward. But in the meantime whilst Corbyn is trying to bring down the Govt (which seems to be his only goal) police officers are being killed in the line of duty , 14 year olds are setting fire to schools , people going out for a walk are being murdered and dumped in woods , waiting times to see your GP are getting longer. Brexit has dominated UK politics for 3 years now. It's time to put it to bed on 31st October and focus on the issues that are affecting our citizens on a daily basis
whowasthatmaskedman · 70-79, M
@SW-User I agree. Some issues are worse left undecided than whatever decision is reached. The first thing to remember was that right or wrong, the people did vote to leave. And that still has not happened.
MartinII · 70-79, M
Parliament is prorogued every year. The only differences this year are the timing and length of the prorogation. Since many MPs, including the (soon to be ex-) Speaker, are using the most unscrupulous means to try to frustrate the previous decisions of the people and of Parliament itself, I think the government is fully entitled to use all legal means at its disposal.
MartinII · 70-79, M
@milkymum1 It’s rather that Johnson thinks the people will give him a majority in an election, in which case the majority in Parliament will indeed do as he wants. Whether he is right or not, we must wait and see.
milkymum1 · 31-35, F
@MartinII If BJ was that confident of a GE he wouldn't run away from all the confrataion he gets, if you can't face the people then you can't be PM.
MartinII · 70-79, M
@milkymum1 But Johnson wanted an election after Parliament had passed its anti-no deal bill. The Commons voted against it.
4185philip · 70-79, M
We have an unelected prime minister who represents the views of a small minority of the people all because to conservative party are scared of Nigal Farage.
milkymum1 · 31-35, F
@4185philip That is so very true, unelected, scared of debating with anyone who dissagree with him, has tried everything to stop Parliment and MP's from passing laws for us "the people" Borsi keeps claiming want him as PM.
Boris is a wank puddle. That is all
milkymum1 · 31-35, F
@PervertedPrincessOfDeath he might be but hes affecting us all
@milkymum1 thats why I'm stockpiling lube n condoms ya know the essentials
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milkymum1 · 31-35, F
@NoRegrets I find it hard to beleive Boris who's ment to be such an inteligent person can be so stupid, he was the one who lost his majority and tries to blame everyone else for it all. A GE will ome and I think Boris and the Tories will be on a hiding.
milkymum1 · 31-35, F
@NoRegrets As soon as they open thier mouths, don't you mean as soon as they stand up!!!!!
Nyloncapes · 61-69, M
Would not of had any of this if we had respected the referendum result and left when we should have 29 th march , article 50 signed by 453 compared to 143 to leave on that date deal or no deal , parliament labour lib Dems done everything they can to stop brexit, never wanted to leave the EU ,and just lied in there manifesto to respect result, so what ever it takes for us to leave on 31 at October do it , this can not keep going on
milkymum1 · 31-35, F
@Nyloncapes i do agree this cant keep going on but to take us out against democray ........ really.

As for Parliment stopping us thats how our democracy works, parliment debate talk and vote the MASSIVE problem was the tories had no plan, no idea and watsed all the time they could hoping parlimnet would fall into line. TM and BJ have shown they aren't fit to be PM's.

As for the lies this was ment to be the "easiest deal in history", " they need us more than swe need them', "we can get trade deals arousn the world easier" , etc, etc i have no problem if we leave hard brexit what I'm pissed at is BJ is unelected by "the people" who he says he represents but always runs away from confromtation and thaty yet again its the children that are suffering as I know of children now who aren't gettign thier medications on time and this is all before we leave.
wetncthru · F
Would have been interesting if HM replied "You are joking ... oh you are not joking ... No way, now just get out of my palace, I have some foxes to get".
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Now you want a sensible convo after your last question
whowasthatmaskedman · 70-79, M
In the sense that it is legal, its right. And in the sense that it helps Boris to his preferred goal of a No Deal Brexit, its right.
Does that help?
milkymum1 · 31-35, F
@whowasthatmaskedman Legal how? all he"s doing is stopping Parliment debating so taking democracy away from us so how can that be right?
whowasthatmaskedman · 70-79, M
@milkymum1 Legal in the sense that it is within the rules of Parliament. He is not breaking any rules to do it.
Nyloncapes · 61-69, M
@milkymum1 what about the democracy of the 17.5 million who voted to leave, in referendum, all I hear is the word from labour and remainers democracy , shame they never respected it
Headlines in Oz 🇦🇺 was Betty shut it down..
I think it’s andrew related.. 😁
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@TheOneyouwerewarnedabout Boris goes to the queen with a proposal to suspend Parliament. It cannot be done without Royal approval
TheThinker · 56-60, M
@milkymum1
[quote]@TheOneyouwerewarnedabout yes I know thtis but what has this got to do with my question[/quote]

Because all the fuss about proroguing parliament has swept Prince Andrew back off the front pages.

Some people think this was deliberate news management; even if not, it's going to be a very handy side-effect for them.
RodionRomanovitch · 56-60, M
@milkymum1 I see you met the Australian village idiot then.

Didn't you know , everything is a conspiracy ?
Dshhh · M
from what i know? admittedly not a lot, it should be a Most Extreme cause for this.
that Scottish court seems to have an opinion
milkymum1 · 31-35, F
@Dshhh yes they do and this week the English Supreme court too will decide

its all a complete mess
Harriet03 · 41-45, F
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wetncthru · F
@Harriet03 !!!!!!!!!!!
Jm31xxx · 41-45, M
Did not know proroguing was an actual word
milkymum1 · 31-35, F
@Jm31xxx what

 
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