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Doomflower · 36-40, M
sdfdgsfasfdgsfasdasfsdgds · 41-45, M
Lostpoet · M
I do believe in the woman's heart beat and in the case of child birth being life threatening than I think abortion should be an option.
But I also believe with my whole heart that there's something special about conception and once that happens the day is has the same rights as the mom or dad. And I think there should be stricter laws on rape: the rapist should be charged with murder in the case of an abortion coming out of it.
But I also believe with my whole heart that there's something special about conception and once that happens the day is has the same rights as the mom or dad. And I think there should be stricter laws on rape: the rapist should be charged with murder in the case of an abortion coming out of it.
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Montanaman · M
Reject · 26-30, M
Emotions do not understand consequence. You can back up a point with many reasons for why abortion exists and their only rebuttal will be. "It feels wrong". That's what you're dealing with when it comes to pro-lifers. That's all their argument ever will be because that's all they have when confronted with anything sensible.
Azrael ·
@Reject it's almost like almost all of them are religious folks who grew up in or live in indoctrinated environments lol but this time, they don't really have their religious texts to back them up, so they fall back on their emotions, the same emotions that they have been indoctrinated to perceive as God, therefore, they'll repeatedly refuse to even doubt their emotions or "God".
Reject · 26-30, M
@QuixoticSoul @Azrael It's true. Religion is rooted in feeling more than anything else. There's no such thing as faith without the heart attached. There's nothing wrong with that until it decides to justify taking rights away from people or harming them in any other way these beliefs have.
QuixoticSoul · 41-45, M
Better science education won’t help - science has nothing to say about some kind of an invisible Sky Daddy making us people by blessing fertilized eggs. There is no way to test this idea, and as such, science simply doesn’t bother even considering the issue one way or another.
Best we can do is to have a constitution that says religious weirdos need to make a rational secular case for something to make it into law.
Best we can do is to have a constitution that says religious weirdos need to make a rational secular case for something to make it into law.
Tatsumi · 31-35, M
I got my brother pretty good. He uses the day after pill with his gf sometimes [I mean, he doesn't take it. At least I hope he doesn't. 🤔], and thinks it's totally fine. I was like "Okay, but aren't you preventing conception from occurring? Isn't that similar to abortion?"
He was like, "No, because conception doesn't begin until fertalization, and that doesn't happen until after 5 days." And then we got into a debate about when a "human life" is actually formed. I showed him that you could reasonably believe that it begins at any point before the fetus is formed [though, I support abortions prior to 20 weeks, before the fetus can experience pain], and that the possibility of fertilization can begin as soon as a few minutes after the act. Meaning, if he believes that conception begins after implantation, that means that he's been willfully aborting all his babies by using the Plan B pills.
I think he understood at the end that it wasn't such a cut and dry "it's murder" thing. Especially since I convinced him that he may have been aborting all his babies. xD
He was like, "No, because conception doesn't begin until fertalization, and that doesn't happen until after 5 days." And then we got into a debate about when a "human life" is actually formed. I showed him that you could reasonably believe that it begins at any point before the fetus is formed [though, I support abortions prior to 20 weeks, before the fetus can experience pain], and that the possibility of fertilization can begin as soon as a few minutes after the act. Meaning, if he believes that conception begins after implantation, that means that he's been willfully aborting all his babies by using the Plan B pills.
I think he understood at the end that it wasn't such a cut and dry "it's murder" thing. Especially since I convinced him that he may have been aborting all his babies. xD
Azrael ·
@Tatsumi I would add thatno pregnant woman would suddenly be all like "no! I want an abortion !" especially after 20 weeks. And the abortions are totally fine after 20 weeks if they do pose a threat to the life of the mother or the fetus or the fetus has some kind of disability that would either kill it after birth or make it's life and the parents life a living hell.
QuixoticSoul · 41-45, M
@Tatsumi Lmao multiple murderer right there 😂
Typically, medically speaking, conception is synonymous with fertilization. There is a secondary definition that refers to implantation, but that is typically not used.
In medical terms, implantation tends to happen 5 days after conception.
Your bro is going to Hell now.
Typically, medically speaking, conception is synonymous with fertilization. There is a secondary definition that refers to implantation, but that is typically not used.
In medical terms, implantation tends to happen 5 days after conception.
Your bro is going to Hell now.
ChampagneOnIce · 51-55, F
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FreeSpirit1 · 51-55, F
FreeSpirit1 · 51-55, F
You must be thinking of a different story then. The politician I'm talking about apologized after he posted his video online showing him harassing them. The girls were not confronting anyone, just praying. My point is many on both sides refuse to see others points of views and it's just conflict. I am not religious and am personally against abortion, but I'm also against outlawing it. I do see it as a necessary evil for some people but I also understand why many people find it abhorrent@Azrael
Azrael ·
@FreeSpirit1 tbh, I haven't been faced any news like that, I was just making a judgement off of the info you presented me with. And I get your point, I would agree but no pro-abortions or pro-choice people are forcing anyone to have abortions against their will. Anti-abortion "pro-life" people on the other hand...
calicuz · 51-55, M
Science tells us that the first thing in a fetus is a heartbeat.
daisymay · 51-55, T
@calicuz [quote]I'm done here.[/quote]
Sure you were, sweetie!
Now, how about answering my question from earlier? Here, I'll repost it for you, since you're probably as lazy as you are dishonest:
[quote]Nobody that spouts this talking point has ever bothered to respond with their statistics and citations regarding this apparently huge phenomenon. I've also heard them called "convenience" and "luxury" abortions. Would you like to be the first one to show us how many of these frivolous abortions there are and how many women have them? Is it like guns and it's an extremely small population getting huge numbers of abortions?[/quote]
And, just to head off any chance at being disingenuous with some variation on "what talking point?!?!?!" I'll remind you that it was this one, by you:
[quote]using abortion as a means of birth control[/quote]
Sure you were, sweetie!
Now, how about answering my question from earlier? Here, I'll repost it for you, since you're probably as lazy as you are dishonest:
[quote]Nobody that spouts this talking point has ever bothered to respond with their statistics and citations regarding this apparently huge phenomenon. I've also heard them called "convenience" and "luxury" abortions. Would you like to be the first one to show us how many of these frivolous abortions there are and how many women have them? Is it like guns and it's an extremely small population getting huge numbers of abortions?[/quote]
And, just to head off any chance at being disingenuous with some variation on "what talking point?!?!?!" I'll remind you that it was this one, by you:
[quote]using abortion as a means of birth control[/quote]
hippyjoe1955 · 61-69, M
So what about the other heart beat? There are two heartbeats involved here.
Azrael ·
@hippyjoe1955 1. Don't use big words pls 'cause idk what prescient mean (English isn't my first language).
2. No, maybe I didn't explain it well enough. I said conciousnes, emotions and a functioning brain.
Let me clear my pov for u:
Conciousnes - awareness (everyone has that)
Emotions - the ability to feel and react(everyone has that)
Functioning brain - includes perception and whatever the fuck else goes on in a child's brain. (everyone has that)
And no, people with disabilities are just as equal because ya know they have at least one of the three. Those three aren't individual factors, they are interconnected and include the heartbeat. If a person were to have none of them, they'd be considered brain dead and be taken off life support. 👌
2. No, maybe I didn't explain it well enough. I said conciousnes, emotions and a functioning brain.
Let me clear my pov for u:
Conciousnes - awareness (everyone has that)
Emotions - the ability to feel and react(everyone has that)
Functioning brain - includes perception and whatever the fuck else goes on in a child's brain. (everyone has that)
And no, people with disabilities are just as equal because ya know they have at least one of the three. Those three aren't individual factors, they are interconnected and include the heartbeat. If a person were to have none of them, they'd be considered brain dead and be taken off life support. 👌
QuixoticSoul · 41-45, M
@Azrael The folks who think abortion is murder, typically think that the terry schiavo scenario is also murder.
The extent to which flimsy and unnecessary fictions like the soul complicate some folks’ thinking is downright hilarious.
The extent to which flimsy and unnecessary fictions like the soul complicate some folks’ thinking is downright hilarious.
Azrael ·
@QuixoticSoul oohh I had to look that up. If they think that euthanasia is murder then well, I have nothing to tell them except that they should mind their own business just as they do for euthanasia cases.
Yeah, but according to their logic if the soul is real, it won't matter if someone dies because are they [i]really[/i] dead? They could just send their "thoughts and prayers"
Yeah, but according to their logic if the soul is real, it won't matter if someone dies because are they [i]really[/i] dead? They could just send their "thoughts and prayers"
Jackaloftheazuresand · 26-30, M
Most abortions are just people wanting consequence free sex, it's enabling. Just like having someone walking up to you and saying "fall in love with me or I'll hurt myself". We don't give into their demand just because something bad will happen(dangerous hidden abortions) we give them another way(don't fuck). If they don't listen to that advice, getting the self-harmer to treatment and they walk out for example, then that's on them.
Spoiledbrat · F
There will always be those people who use the law to their advantage. @Jackaloftheazuresand