This comment explained anti-abortionists flawlessly lol

@Lostpoet Let's use your logic. I [u][big]TRULY[/big][/u] believe in my [i][b]heart[/b][/i] that abortions are okay and conception isn't something special. Does that give me the right to dictate other women's bodies and [i]human rights[/i]?

Some women [i]truly[/i] believe in their [i]hearts[/i] that they can't/won't be able to support a child or get through a preganancy or carry the seed of the rapist (the [i]monster[/i]) who impregnated them. Do they not get to follow their beliefs just because they clash with yours?

@Azrael There's a lot of options better than abortion there's adoption, asking ones family with help and support, even leaving the kid at a church door step at least gives them a fighting chance.

And yes I view women that argue I just don't think I can deal with child birth as selfish. I would walk into a burning building or anything else to save a life I don't see why they can't. And I've never had to deal with this question in my life so I'll atleast admit to that and I can only rely on how I personally feel.

@Azrael And I think the majority of abortion cases are from young women that are scared and abortion seems like the only choice.

@Lostpoet Again, you're using [u]your beliefs[/u] to justify controlling other people's bodies. And it's great that in case you were ever brutally raped and impregnated, you would carry out that pregnancy. But not everyone has that option, u also have to take into account the emotional and mental trauma the birthed will go through plus all the physical toll taken on their body due to the pregnancy. It would impact and possibly[i]ruin[/i] their life forever due to several reasons.

@Lostpoet it usually is the only choice. I forgot to mention the [i]financial[/i] toll

@Lostpoet Meiosis happens, and it’s pretty special and very important.

But no brain, no consciousness, no thinking - no personhood, and no rights that come with said personhood.

@Azrael I agree that I'd still give birth put in that situation. Why do you feel it's ok to determine who lives or dies? Rape is a very horrifying thing, but I don't think that's 1 hundredth of the abortion situations. I'll go though pain and trauma to save a life.

We aren't going to convince either one of us to change our minds so we are wasting our time. I respect the way you feel but I'm not going to change the way I do.

@Lostpoet bro, I just noticed you're a man, u don't get an opinion unless u wanna jail the people who got the women pregnant in the first place too, rapist or otherwise🤷

@QuixoticSoul Meiosis and conception isn't the same thing all human cells reproduce through meiosis. I can't cut off a piece of me and expect someone to grow out of it. So your point is mute.

@Azrael I said that I did. I want the most severe punishment for rapists. And just because I'm not a woman doesn't mean I don't have a voice that's not how democracy works. But if I ever got a girl pregnant I would want her to keep it and I'd take my share of the responsibility.

@Lostpoet as I said, not just rapists but husbands/boyfriends/lovers too.

@Lostpoet You’re confusing meiosis and mitosis - and forgetting about totipotency.

@Lostpoet and I agree that that's not how democracy works so why not jail the impregnators too no? Or have them pay half or all of the finances? That seems pretty equal yes?

@Azrael I'd vote for that.

@Lostpoet but that's not happening is it? It's the women that have to take all the responsibility yes? So if the women have to take all the responsibility in the present situation, why not let them decide if they want to get rid of the foetus?

@Azrael Right now it is the women's choice and I hope a lot more would consider giving the child up for adoption or something. I fully agree that laws have to change to punish the guilty party. But there are laws like child support, but I really have to plead ignorance on everything besides my own personal feeling. Like I've said I've never had to deal with a situation like that. And I know it's not any easy choice to make or at least I hope it's not for anyone.

@Lostpoet Idk where you're from, but we have an abundance of orphans in America, and too few places to truly take care of them. Too few people who actually care. After so many kids, they start to become numbers to many of these people/centers. These kids are also statistically more likely to commit crimes, be raped, and be abused by their legal guardians. I don't think throwing kids into that ring is a good idea

@SW-User I think the problem is the legal system. It's easier to adopt a kid in North Korea than in our own country.

@Lostpoet Regardless of the reason, to make things worse for everyone is not going to help.
The legal system is certainly fucked though

@SW-User maybe the best thing is for people to be responsible about those things and nobody should rape anyone and I think there should be more strict punishments against that.

@Lostpoet That is a nice ideal, and I doubt any decent person would disagree. We can't just make that happen though. Even if you disagree with it, abortion is important for our society to function right now. I'm sure we'll find better ways in the future, but we need it for now. We can all debate, sure, but to tell someone they can't do it is not going to help. Instead, as painful as it may be to those who disagree with it, we should allow it until we fix the root of the problems, or at least come up with a better way of tackling this issue

@SW-User I just can't agree with that. I think a lot of babies are being killed that shouldn't be. I think Utah has some good extra policies where you have to meet with a counselor and I think you have to wait a few weeks before you can apply for an abortion. I think more policies like that that help inform the individual about what's going on so that they can make a better decision is a good thing.

@Lostpoet i got pregnant, i considered my optons and decided i could not have an abortion. i will fight to the death for another woman to have one,but it's not for me. but now 32 years later i wish i'd had an abortion because not a day goes by that i don't think of her and wonder and it is killing me. i think abortion is an individual choice, you can't legislate morality and because you don't agree isn't a good reason because you are not the one having the abortion,

@ladycae That's like saying I can't have an opinion on drugs because I'm not a druggy. I sympathize with what you went through and I no it's probably one if the hardest choices someone has to make. I'm confused though because you said you didn't have an abortion but not a day goes by that you don't think about her and that you wished you had an abortion?

@Lostpoet Because i wonder if some knock at the door will be her,i know a lot of unwanted kids are abused, i cry over missing her. HAd she been dead i am sure i would feel regret but it wouldn't be wondering about her. and you are right it was the most difficult time of my life.

it is none of your business what i do with my body. if i have cancer you have no say in how i treat it. you would have no say in my birth control choices or when i went to the doctor. what gives you control over me having an abortion.i find that astounding. you have no say over whether i do drugs or am an alcoholic you have no say over my health issues at all.