Anyone else have the impression people are complaining about Kavanaugh not because he is a good or bad judge
But because President Trump nominated him?
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Graylight · 51-55, F
I'm sure, to reach the level in his life he has, that Kavanaugh is a fine judge. But he's an extremely conservative one. A judge has great latitude sometimes when deciding cases and interpreting law. Particularly Constitutional law. I don't doubt he'll follow the rule of law, but he won't embody the same principles as much of the country.
And don't think for a moment this nomination was because Kavanaugh has the picture-perfect family, graduated from an Ivy League school or is possibly the very best candidate possible. This appointment has [i]everything[/i] to do with his belief that the POTUS should be free of both civil and criminal investigation and prosecution while in office. Had he not been of that mindset, he wouldn't be in his current position as Supreme Court nominee. This is insurance for Trump (which should be a clear indication of how he really thinks the investigation is going).
This is why it's utterly baffling to me why the SCOTUS isn't mandated to be apolitical and blind to political party pressure.
And don't think for a moment this nomination was because Kavanaugh has the picture-perfect family, graduated from an Ivy League school or is possibly the very best candidate possible. This appointment has [i]everything[/i] to do with his belief that the POTUS should be free of both civil and criminal investigation and prosecution while in office. Had he not been of that mindset, he wouldn't be in his current position as Supreme Court nominee. This is insurance for Trump (which should be a clear indication of how he really thinks the investigation is going).
This is why it's utterly baffling to me why the SCOTUS isn't mandated to be apolitical and blind to political party pressure.
QuixoticSoul · 41-45, M
@Graylight SCOTUS [i]is[/i] independent from the executive, or party pressure. It's kind of like the tenure system - they can't be fired, so they don't have to be beholden to anyone. It provides a check on what otherwise can be a quickly changing parade of administrations and priorities.
This is how the system is supposed to work. It's inconvenient at times, but we'll get through it.
This is how the system is supposed to work. It's inconvenient at times, but we'll get through it.
sunsporter1649 · 70-79, M
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FreeSpirit1 · 51-55, F
Northwest · M
@FreeSpirit1
[quote]Isn't that how it always is. Never heard of him but he must suck because the other team wants him. Politics as usual[/quote]
Hmmm. His nomination, for the court of appeals, was held up in the Senate for 3 years (2003-2006). He was one of the primary authors of the Ken Starr report. He worked for Ken Starr during that investigation. He was a GOP foot soldier during the Bush-Gore 'who won' battle, he was one of the forces behind the Clinton impeachment trial.
I don't like Trump, and one of the reasons I don't, is that he promised to nominate judges, who will be loyal to him, and who will stand behind the Evangelical agenda.
So, any judge nominated by Trump, fits this criteria. Just because you don't know much about this particular judge, it does not mean those who question his nomination, don't.
[quote]Isn't that how it always is. Never heard of him but he must suck because the other team wants him. Politics as usual[/quote]
Hmmm. His nomination, for the court of appeals, was held up in the Senate for 3 years (2003-2006). He was one of the primary authors of the Ken Starr report. He worked for Ken Starr during that investigation. He was a GOP foot soldier during the Bush-Gore 'who won' battle, he was one of the forces behind the Clinton impeachment trial.
I don't like Trump, and one of the reasons I don't, is that he promised to nominate judges, who will be loyal to him, and who will stand behind the Evangelical agenda.
So, any judge nominated by Trump, fits this criteria. Just because you don't know much about this particular judge, it does not mean those who question his nomination, don't.
FreeSpirit1 · 51-55, F
@Northwest you misunderstood my post,I was giving an example of people being against him. I have heard of him and wouldn't expect anything different from a Republican President but to nominate a conservative judge. A Democrat President wouldn't nominate him but a Democrat isn't President. My point is both sides reflexively opposing anyone the other side nominates.. Politics as usual.Ginsburg was the last nominee to receive an overwhelming vote but those days are gone.
Northwest · M
@FreeSpirit1 I agree with you on the knee jerk reaction by people, who do not take the time to understand the issues.
Justice Kennedy, voted conservatively, on all issues, with the exception of Roe v Wade and some of the LGBTQ issues.
Fact is, the Constitution is very specific on the separation of powers, and the system of checks and balances. Trump, is the first President to openly defy these Constitutional principles, by making the Supreme Court, one of his primary campaign promises. In fact, this is how he was able to win, and how he secured the Evangelical vote.
Fact is, President Obama's last nominee, Judge Garland, a true centrist and a religious conservative, was blocked by the Senate, for 297 days, until it expired with the Trump administration.
Kavanaugh will probably be confirmed, but we the people, are owed the opportunity to learn his position on the issues, especially Roe v Wade and LGBTQ. The Supreme Court, is not the same as the Court of Appeals.
Justice Kennedy, voted conservatively, on all issues, with the exception of Roe v Wade and some of the LGBTQ issues.
Fact is, the Constitution is very specific on the separation of powers, and the system of checks and balances. Trump, is the first President to openly defy these Constitutional principles, by making the Supreme Court, one of his primary campaign promises. In fact, this is how he was able to win, and how he secured the Evangelical vote.
Fact is, President Obama's last nominee, Judge Garland, a true centrist and a religious conservative, was blocked by the Senate, for 297 days, until it expired with the Trump administration.
Kavanaugh will probably be confirmed, but we the people, are owed the opportunity to learn his position on the issues, especially Roe v Wade and LGBTQ. The Supreme Court, is not the same as the Court of Appeals.
HerKing · 61-69, M
Trump has picked him because he's gone on record as saying a POTUS should be immune from prosecution. However that works both ways and the Trumpers who think that Obama should stand for some unspecified trial would be drawing a blank because it would no dout be written into Trump's favour he couldn't be prosecuted after holding office.
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@HerKing you might want to look when he actually said that and why he said that
katielass · F
@Somebunny21 He might also want to take a look at who ruled abortion was a woman's right. That should cause him to choke. lol
QuixoticSoul · 41-45, M
@MarineBob But he didn't.
sunsporter1649 · 70-79, M
@MarineBob I was thinking the same thing.
RoboChloe · 26-30, F
Well, lgbt+ rights are fairly important to me, and he's had the support of an anti-lgbt+ group for many years, so of course I'm not thrilled. I feel incredibly lucky to not be American right now. I want to marry my girlfriend at some point. If he's confirmed, who knows how much longer American gay couples will have that right.
@HerKing i have been reading some of his cases and opinions and so far I'm ok with him
@HerKing try reading what he has said about abortion and how he feels about legal precedent and reevaluate your opinion.
sunsporter1649 · 70-79, M
@TexChik There is a reason its called the Progressive Tax System.
katielass · F
Uh yes, as sure as the sun rose in the east this morning. But make no mistake, it's not about abortion, it's about the court not being in the left's hands so they can legislate from the bench because they can't win in the court of public opinion. They've been claiming repubs were going to overturn Roe since 1974. I'm actually surprised anyone is dumb enough to believe their drivel.
hippyjoe1955 · 61-69, M
QuixoticSoul · 41-45, M
They're complaining because he's a conservative. That's a decent enough reason - if you're not on that side of the fence.
sunsporter1649 · 70-79, M
@QuixoticSoul Is Ruth Buzzy Ginsberg still among the living?
QuixoticSoul · 41-45, M
@sunsporter1649 For now.
akindheart · 61-69, F
that is it exactly. they don't want the SCOTUS to go conservative
katielass · F
@akindheart Yeah, if it goes conservative the constitution will actually still mean something. They want a left wing kangaroo court so they can control our lives because they can't do that with elections.