Are you for or against circumcision?

@BRICSruleNATOiscrybaby yeah but the extra skin makes the penis nice and thick when I am hard

@consa01 Similar here.. I totally understand.. These days this procedure is almost never done in Au... but in the 50's it was almost compulsory...

@Ynotisay [quote]AIDS doesn't care.[/quote]
You know it's sort of funny - once there were a few months where I just kept getting sick, over and over. Well, in this sole hypochondriac incident of my life I went to my doc and asked for an HIV test. He asked - and after finding out that I fuck women, he spent five minutes laughing at me - before ordering it up.

Seems AIDS does care.

If your son is straight, risk of HIV is very very low. And if he's gay circumcision does nothing. Leave the poor guy's pecker alone. And teach him to wrap it up.

@walabby 1930-80, many USA maternity wards would cut all boys, unless Mum spoke up and objected. This is why the circ rate among USA whites became so high. Many Americans over age 30 have never seen an intact penis in their lives.

@consa01 humans in general are very talented at lying to themselves.

@consa01 I'm honestly rethinking my statement and it occurs to me that our culture is actually more terrified of women enjoying sex, it basically expects men to, so much so they circumcise us to make us enjoy it less... Nobody bats an eye when we talk about fapping but if a girl talks openly about masturbating the sheer number of people who will doubt she's female if she's on social media is enormous and then the number of people who will claim it's unladylike...

@BetweenKittensandRiots Femal masturbation was the Form of Sex that Dare Not Speak Its Name. Betty Dodson worked hard to change that, 1970-2000. Internet porn in rich in stills and videos of masturbating women.

@Salix75 I am against circumcision unless the person is an adult making his or her own free decision to be circumcised I do not know why I am the only boy in our family to not be circumcised

@QuixoticSoul Blame American doctors, not American parents.

@EnigmaticGeek You wanted to open a can of worms American law doesn't want to get into. If your parents permit a procedure that is accepted medicine at the time, you cannot sue your parents for having the procedure done. Law prefers to defer to medicine.

@consa01 I know, and medicine is not all it's cracked up to be. Far from it, in most cases, trauma being a notable exception.

@CathyUK I think this will amuse you:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XgWNA9k2X3I&index=3&list=PLSMMxv--ZgLIYXjUhFIqdFm1ffOLWjki8&t=1s

Some British women can be deliciously blunt. Note that one of these young ladies admits to some Jewish ancestry.
A great many English speaking men born last century were circumcised in infancy, with the USA leading the way here. We don't know why this was the case. Religion was a factor only for a small minority of Jews. This circumcision faded away as socialised medicine declined to cover the cost. But this maniacal circumcision remains the norm in most of the USA down to the present day. And the reason is that parents don't want to be reminded of foreskin every time they change his nappy or give him a bath. They think that circumcised boys bully intact boys in changing rooms. That American women refuse to sleep with intact men.

@angela2106 I agree with you 100%!

Much physiological research on the male brain finds it is not fully developed with regard to making choices until around 25! That is probably the right age! I chose 18, as in most domains that is now the age of majority.

I think we are all being a bit 'tongue in cheek' here, as we know that few sexually experienced males, absent a rare medical condition, would opt to have their foreskins deliberately chopped off after experiencing its delights throughout adolescence! Deviants and pornstars excepted. @consa01

@angela2106 I go with 21 because that's the age when people can purchase alcohol. Circumcision should not be taken lightly, because it cannot be undone.

@Jimmyorjames [c=#4C0073]i would not say he was wrong entirely, since he believes what he says.. but he was definitely trying to push his opinion down my throat and i wont stand for that. He blocked me, so that's good. Saves me the trouble.[/c]

@Jimmyorjames if you dont have any more evidence than she did you can suck on [i]my[/i] foreskin lolz

@MeisterAndrew Anecdotes form the backbone of social life as I've always known it. And anecdotes are important motivators hypotheses to be researched.
There is no good data on circumcision and sexual sensation, because good data would require a kind of biomedical instrumentation that does not yet exist.
In the USA, condoms can be bought in any supermarket, but oral contraceptives require a script. This state of affairs breaks down the correlation you allege, between condom availability and oral contraceptic use. I am confident that the USA is not unique in this regard.
Again, factors that are unknown cannot be researched.
Trust me, I am a published scientist (albeit not in human sexuality) and have peer reviewed about 100 manuscripts.
The "real proper" studies of the sort you advocate, simply do not exist. I find it very curious that the Kinsey Institute, and Masters & Johnson in no way did justice to the prevalence of circumcision in the USA. This is consistent with the fact from my baby boom youth, namely that almost all males were circumcised, but the fact was never joked about in gentile society.

@consa01 Anecdotes aren't studies. The data goes against what you claim about contraceptive use and safe sex. You still don't understand the difference between condoms being sold in supermarkets and them being freely available. The two aren't the same and have vastly different effects.

And you are still wrong, the purpose of a study is to do a proper comparison by accounting for known and unknown factors. They ARE indeed accounted for and so "researched" as you call it.

@MeisterAndrew Anecdotes are not studies, but they are still important motivators of research questions. Many aspects of human sexuality have yet to be researched, and sex research is not free of the long shadow of prudishness, finger wagging and, increasingly, political correctness. Where there is no research, we have to pay some attention to anecdotes. if the research ever comes out, we can, of course, retire the anecdotes. Life is a battle, and when in battle you use whatever weapons are at hand. When you lack studies, you fall back on anecdotes. I cannot imagine life in any other way.

Tell me what you mean by "freely available". I am a baby boomer. 50-60 years ago, the main drawback of condoms was that young men were very embarrassed to take a pack of condoms through a checkout line. This is why dorms and gas station bathrooms began featuring condom machines. I see no problem of condom availability, but strongly suspect that there is a widespread refusal to use easily available condoms. And my candidate explanation for condom reluctance is circumcised penis + condoms = boring sex.

Unknown factors cannot be accounted for, simply because they are unknown. "Controlling for" known factors, involves limitations in data and statistical methodology. Empirical social science often requires strong assumptions and compromises with data, and entails measurement problems and a host of issues arising from the use of observational over experimental data. Controlled experiments are best, but are often unethical where human subjects are involved. The African randomised clinical trials that resulted in the (doubtful) claim that circumcised men are less likely to contract HIV, would not have passed ethical muster anywhere in the first world.

@SteelHands I live in a country where circumcision used to be practiced, then was gradually given up, 1960-85. No reports of dick rot.
No evidence that the foreskin is a problem for clothed men. There are no glands that void into the preputial sack. Smegma and the like is mostly dead skin cells, and washes away very very easily. Washing also removes bacteria. I live in a region with a population of 550K. There is only one urology practice in this region, serving both genders. So much for infections of the foreskin and urinary tract being common problems among the intact. The very occasional infection responds well to antibiotic and antifungal ointments.
The foreskin is not the health problem that American popular culture often thinks it is.

@consa01 I work a physically laborious job. Moisture from sweat, the probability of fungus and infection from daily filth are part of a workmans life. As is so for many.

That I already take great precautions so that I don't get an infection or worse and am quite happy that I won't get such things and do not need to worry about things like the cancer I KNOW a few did is all the evidence I could want.

It is a vestige of a bygone time, as I said. A simple, fast, inexpensive, likely painless ring set placing done within hours of birth in my culture just seems prudent and reasonable.

It's a harmless procedure. One that ppl who are opposed to, I'm aware. Yet I am glad not to have to put up with the drawback of not having.

@SteelHands I began my career working first in an aluminum foundry, later in a steel forge shop. My being intact was in no way an inconvenience. In the forge shop, at the end of every shift, we showered as a group in an open shower room. Most of the men were born before WWII and were uncircumcised. Zero evidence of foreskin problems.
In men who shower 4x+/week and who don't have adult phimosis, penile cancer is quite rare. Penile cancer is mostly caused by an HPV infection, and such infections require irresponsible sex.
It is routine circumcision that is the "vestige of a bygone time".
Circumcision is not prudent and reasonable, because there is no honest counting of the botched and lethal outcomes. In the USA, a large majority of routine infant circumcisions are done without anesthesia, an unconscionable situation. Worst of all, how infant circumcision affects adult sexuality is not known, because of a lack of research. Many American and Canadian women whose personal sexual journey has included relationships with both kinds of men, have revealed in social media that they prefer the intact variety. I have read women say that they almost never orgasm with a cut man, and orgasm easily with an intact one. I strongly suspect that the circumcised penis ages more rapidly.

@chrisCA The baby circumcision rate in Ontario is still 40-45%, despite the fact that it has to be paid for privately.
The Canadian Medical Association's stance re routine infant circumcision is not as strong as I would like it to be.
The rate in Alberta is also 40-45%. 20% in BC, 12% in Quebec (mainly anglophones, I suspect). Low in Manitoba and SK, nonexistent in the Maritimes. Overall rate, 32%.
Canada is practically the only first world nation where there is a rich mix of cut and intact men. Canadian women are likely to have dated both kinds of men, and what they have to say about the sexual advantages conferred by the male foreskin, is very interesting.

@charley It's definite crazy, then. If you're Jewish, at least you have a good excuse...
I haven' seen it commented on, but isn't it supposed to be "better" for the woman if the guy is intact?

@charley ... and I'm intact, so I have no personal experience for comparative purposes... :)

@Keepitsimple Then do not post or comment about circumcision in social media. Routine infant circumcision is the biggest controversy in American pediatrics, and a huge open problem in the management of American sexuality.

Don’t tell me what to do. Just because my views don’t match yours doesn’t mean you get to tell me what to do. @consa01

@Keepitsimple I am not telling you what to do. If I were, you are entirely free to delete your comment. It is a blunt fact of life that anyone who takes part in social media will encounter some debate and disagreement. If it's too hot down here, you are free to leave the kitchen.

@Alabamarednek What you write is consistent with what I have long suspected. In the USA, maternity wards "push" the circumcision of newborn boys. This was very strong during the second half of last century, less so this century. Having the cost covered by health insurance or Medicaid also makes circumcision more likely.
We don't agree on looks. I am a baby boomer who grew up about a day's drive north of Alabama. Until I went to work in a steel mill with older men, I saw only 5-6 elephant trunk dicks in locker rooms. Also, the rough talk among men and boys never mentioned circumcision and foreskin. The only dudes who joked about that were the Jewish dudes I knew in college. If the reality is that almost every male is circumcised, and nobody talks about that fact, the upshot is that the uncut dick looks very weird. American parents fear that if they don't circumcise their sons, they will be ridiculed in the locker room and rejected by the women they try to date. Cosmetic conformity is in the driver's seat.

Consa01 In all my life I only heard 1 comment and it wasn't even in a locker room or a boy who said it. I was sitting down wearing shorts which were loose, short with wide gaping legs. I was on a playground playing at around 8 when a girl thought it looked like a stitch on the tip.

At that age none of us had any idea what circumcision was and some of us didn't wear underwear.

@Alabamarednek The opinions of virgin women upon seeing foreskin for the first time, are harmless. They don't have a well formed idea of what the tip of the penis "should" look like. The reactions to seeing foreskin by an American woman who has had multiple sexual partners, all circumcised, can be very adverse.

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When I was growing up I was always conscious because my friends were all circumcised and looked different. Then I visited other countries and saw thry weren't snipped either

@consa01 I do mean any disrespect but why do you call the human male penis a "Johnson". That term for a penis seems to be out of the Stone Age.

@consa01 Do you know what acroposthion means and the history behind it?

Please check out the link below. It is a link to a very informative site. Please try to be open minded when you read it.

http://acroposthion.com

Thank you.

@MsLibrarian Johnson is dated African American slang, and is intended to be humourous. The term is not crude and indecent. Missus Consa too likes the term.
I know about the acroposthion. I have one when I come out of water, especially cold pool water. When I am fully erect, my glans is fully exposed. Porn suggests that most men are like me, which is why many Americans believe that all men in porn are circumcised ;)
In noncircumcising culture, the exposed glans is seen as visual proof that a man in aroused, and circumcision is seen as making boys and men look aroused 24/7, which is seen as a very weird outcome to strive after.

@lesbgirl It is indeed a personal choice, but the person making the choice should be the person the foreskin is a part of.
Have you ever been in a relationship with a man who retains all of his factory installed moving parts?

@lesbgirl do you know how bad girl circumstances is? I recently learned how bad in Chapter 5 or Damned Nations (by Canadian Dr Samantha Nutt) torture is the only way to describe girl circumcision I am against
girl circumcision no informed girl in the right mind would chose to be
circumcised it is like 10 Xs even 100 Xs worse than male circumcision

@charley I think people just want to hold on to that tradition. It's easier to follow the actions of what's been done before than to change things up. And yes, for sure only if it's medically needed. But I can't see any medical reasons. I'm sure there are some out there, but for the vast majority, it's not. The male appendage has been made that way as a part of who we are as a species. Maybe we should leave it like that.

@ExtremeNext When and where do you ever see uncut?
If you ever spent time in Europe, you would die laughing. Just sayin...

@charley A huge but seldom spoken reason for American routine circumcision, is parents' fearing that an intact male will be laughed at lifelong, first by cut boys in the locker room, then later by the women he dates. Parents think that the eventual peers of their son will have the same low opinion of foreskin that the parents had when they were young. This is a very silly form of projection.