Trump says that if the caravan reaches the border he will deploy the military. Can the military be used on American soil?

@SatyrService I don't think anyone believes these people are armed, BUT they are marching carrying the flag of Honduras. Obviously their nationalism is anchored in Honduras. If it were not, they would be carrying an American flag, because they think they are coming here. Obviously they don't wish to be Americans. When a large group marches toward our border blatantly carrying the flag of another country, I don't think we can identify them as people who genuinely wish to become Americans.

The President of Honduras stated that he believes this group has been funded by his political rival in order to embarrass him.

@4meAndyou yeah, that sounds legit,, a political trick, AND a bunch of ignorant people who are being used for this as well. cheaper to use the stupid than to fund effective fakes

@SatyrService I was asked my opinion, and gave it. I did not ask for anyone else's.

@Nimbus Better designers than I would have to engineer it. I majored in design and I am stumped. They seem to be able to climb anything.

@4meAndyou I might have to do it myself ;)

@4meAndyou You've probably heard it said. A 30ft wall is defeated by a 31ft ladder. Or a piece of rope. Or a series of boxes...or a ramp. I wonder how many drones it would take to lift a person? Heck even just lean a long pole against it...yeah, haha, this is hard.

@4meAndyou I would think that's a bit of an overestimate, as many illegal workers never claim any benefits because they don't want to be detected by authorities. That aside though, there's an always overlooked and never implemented measure that could be taken, which rarely is, and doesn't involve any border complications. Punish their employers.

Although personally I don't care about it. I don't have to compete with people with poor english skills, and no papers for work. But it is more complicated than it looks. A lot of these jobs, Americans really won't do. Not because they see the work as being beneath them, but the work doesn't pay enough to sustain them. Immigrant workers can come over for a season, take a subpar, under the table wage, return home with that money and live well for the rest of the year. An American who actually has to live in the area year-round can't do that. The money has less buying power in the US, and seasonal/poorly paid work can't sustain their needs or the needs of their families.

A lot of businesses don't just want those workers, they depend on them. Why do you think nobody has ever actually done anything about it before? All this jabbering about it is political theater.

Heck, if that link you posted is right, the number of illegal immigrants in the country has actually INCREASED since Trump took office by about 2million people. A lot of stuff just isn't adding up.

@Xuan12 You are right, the number of illegal immigrants rises every single day. 624 illegal immigrants come in every day, and those are just the ones we know about. I read that the illegal immigrant population inside the US was once estimated to be about 10%, but there are at least twice that many living here. We can not count a population that has a vested interest in hiding. and that is what doesn't add up. And how many have been trafficked into slavery? Who can count what criminals don't want to have known?

I do agree that we need to go after employers but states like California prevent that, and will actually prosecute employers who go after employees because of their illegal status.

https://www.epi.org/publication/california-immigrant-labor-laws/

California estimates that 5% of their unskilled labor force are illegal immigrants.

The 5% estimate is probably accurate. I really doubt 1 out of every 5 people here is an illegal immigrant. XD

@bowman81 2000 were turned back, so we are down to 2000 now. But this is not going to go away. It's going to keep happening.

@4meAndyou It only keeps happening when George Soros, the Democrats and the Mexican government coordinate and fund such marches.

The way you end it is by putting Soros and the Democrats behind bars for sedition. You also could threaten Mexico both economically and with military power. This game is getting old. The fake Obama Marxist psyop/sad sack con job/sob story is finally being rejected by most Americans.

Time to release FISA documents next week and begin the military tribunals. Trump needs to quit playing nice with the pure evil actors within this maze of treachery and deceit.

@4meAndyou Honduran food is excellent. My last GF was Honduran her cooking was the only talent she had that kept me with her for two years.

@Anonymartyr I had to google it. What are baleatas?

@4meAndyou I dont know. She nevef named the food we just ate it. Mostly its like Mexican.

@walabby I remember that. It was a very sad day. I vote to strap Jim Acosta to the wall on the Mexican side and let the loving harmless "migrants" as he calls them throw rocks at him.

@4meAndyou I'm not really up with all this, being in another country, but I do keep in mind that this has been election time, and all sorts of things get said just prior to an election, by all politicians....

@4meAndyou 😂 Nobody realizes that all those people wanna come to NA because you have such a charismatic and charming leader. 😊 You want people to stay away in droves? You all, really need to put someone in the White House who isn't so sweet and kind and welcoming. 🤔 Oh! Wait! Hmmmmm?

@PainfulTruth duh!

@4meAndyou You are someone who seems not only knowledgeable, but not confrontational. I veer away from the people who think every question about what they've said is a challenge. I never choose to challenge anyone on anything about which I know virtually nothing. I appreciate your store of knowledge and the concise way in which you present it.

@Serenitree Bless you for saying so. I try very hard. As you know it's become increasingly difficult. 😉

@4meAndyou Everybody has their own opinions, to which they are perfectly welcome, and entitled, but the funniest is when I see two people in a heated dispute, and when I analyze what each is saying, it turns out, they have the same opinions, but different ways of expressing themselves. It might be regional dialects or idioms that lead them to misunderstandings, but if they took a few minutes to think, they'd realize; they aren't on opposite sides.

@MrBrownstone ?? I realize 9/11 was an air attack and was addressed in the same way, but are there other things we should know?

@Loretta78 😰

@PainfulTruth yes, i am familiar with the few and narrow circumstances it IS allowed, ...

[quote]The Posse Comitatus Act of 1878 prohibits the use of U.S. military forces to perform the tasks of civilian law enforcement such as arrest, apprehension, interrogation, and detention unless explicitly [b][i]authorized by Congress[/i][/b].[/quote]

...as well as a number of historical instances when it was done Illegally, like during the "bonus march"
BUT legally deploying the us armed forces is SUPPOSED to be a very difficult thing.
no also, that the "War Powers act" has not been enforced for over 30 some years.

both Bush 2 and Obama sent US [i]national guard[/i] troops to the border

that said,
there is no threat to the US from a convoy of people headed to the border, as they do have a [i]right to apply[/i] for sanctuary at that time, [i]at the border post[/i]

so where is threat sufficient to

@PainfulTruth yeah, there is some vagueness there as well, the P C act above, has the details if you read the entire thing

@TheSacredOne Hmm.

"Posse Comitatus Act. On June 18,1878, after the end of Reconstruction, The Posse Comitatus Act was passed. Its purpose was to limit the Federal Government's power to use military personnel to assist in the enforcement of state laws."

What that tells me is that before 1878 the federal government COULD legally use the military on US soil. You know they were out west after the civil war killing Indians, too.