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I Do Not Support Gun Control

I would hate that the government could take away my guns. I have a right to have them.

When you hear about the school shootings, the senseless murders from people that have mental issues. I think that we need to realize that we cannot control everything. I feel badly for all involved the parents, the children, teachers, community, getting killed in schools. That is tragic and sadly becoming a common thing.

I remember when I was a kid, I never heard of any such thing happening. I think our society has made some huge changes that have affect peoples minds, their thought processes and the lack of taking ownership for their behavior.

In a nutshell, people have lost what I was taught as a child, morals, respect have integrity. We respected our elders, teachers, other parents, older siblings, people of authority, etc. We brought up children as a community. Parents, grandparents, teachers, church community and the neighborhood community. Kids were taken care of and we knew we had people that cared about us if our parents were absent.

Now no one wants to get involved because they will probably get more in trouble than if they had stayed out of it. So children are falling through the cracks. They have no one to go to any more. Many teacher want to be "Friends" now and not a person of authority so that does not help.

It takes one good action that you do for a kid to effect their lives forever. You might never know it, but that kid will remember it. I know I had one person do that for me. She changed my belief in something and I remember her to this day. One bad action could harm a child for life as well. It takes one comment from a person to make a kid feel that he does not matter and once that is in him, it will stay for a while unless he learns to dismiss it. Enough of my thoughts.

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MarkPaul · 26-30, M

Now that you are done romanticizing (and fictionalizing) the past, let's talk about "your" rights. You, along with the rest of us, have a right to own a gun, but not to do with whatever we please whenever we please. And, that right under the full enforcement of the 2nd Amendment does not apply to every type of gun or extend to every type of weapon never imagined when the original right was bestowed to you, and the rest of us.

No one is trying to take away your precious guns, or the guns from anyone else. Despite the talking points that riled up many gun owners in the past, Obama was not trying to take away your guns, Hillary Clinton wasn't, nor anyone else. Military exercises in Texas during the Obama Administration that extremist gun owners sounded the alarm about as a ploy to declare martial law and suspend the 2nd Amendment NEVER took place. In the 21st century (or any century, for that matter) there is no reason, rationale, or right for a citizen to own a military grade gun designed exclusively to kill massive amounts of humans. You don't need such a weapon for safety, security, or hunting. In fact, if you are using such a gun or think you might need such a gun for hunting like the one used in the latest school shooting, you know nothing about the [u]sport[/u] of hunting and should be banned from it - for life.

Instead of relying on talking points you get from the gun manufacturing trade association, also known as the NRA, start thinking for yourself. Hopefully, when you were a kid you were taught how to do that. Go back and review that lesson. As a reminder, it's called, "thinking for yourself."

Saying we can't control everything as a way to justify, "let's not do anything" has sadly been an effective talking point... up to now. That is going to change. You will still have guns, but we will have stronger gun control regulations. It won't stop every instance of gun abuse, but it will stop some. It won't eliminate crazy people from our society, but it will deter some of them from getting guns in the first place and reduce the number who have access to military style weapons. And guess what, only a single success IS a success.

If you don't know better than reciting NRA talking points, you should stop and think (for yourself). Yes, it takes effort, but there is a reward for it. You will feel better about yourself as you continue to use your guns in ways the Constitution guarantees. And, it will act as a deterrent in case you or anyone of the rest of us thinks about using guns for ways the Constitution or its signers never intended for them to be used. And, for goodness sakes, acknowledge a solution does not have to "control everything" for it to be effective.

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MarkPaul · 26-30, M

@LoveYouLoveMe Why don't you act like the adult you seem to claim you want to be?

LoveYouLoveMe · F

@MarkPaul I did act like an adult. I sent you a message. Reply....... See the way I see it, this is my profile. If you want to rat and rave about your opinions fine...... but i do not need your attacks on my person or you trying to put me down so that you can feel more than a 20 year old "KID" wanting to be a man. I do not need to defend myself to you or anyone else. So answer the message or go away and find someone else to pester.

BizSuitStacy · M

@MarkPaul Hilarious! You've memorized Gun Control For Dummies. Congrats.

"...every type of weapon never imagined..." is gun control code for "we think the 2A only applies to muskets." Ever hear of the Pickle Gun? Google it. It was touted as the world's first machine gun. Patented 80 years BEFORE the 2A was ratified. To infer that back in the late 18th century that no one could imagine advancements in technology that would make firearms more accurate, and efficient is ridiculous. Can you imagine that 300 into the future, a weapon might be created that would render today's firearm obsolete? Of course you can.

"No one is trying to take your guns..." I am ROFLMAO. In Hillary's 2016 campaign, she said she supported Australian style gun control. Obama has said he supported it as well. Guess what? Australia took away the people's guns. Oops! Dianne Feinstein and Mario Cuomo have both stated they support gun bans and confiscation tactics. Former chief justice Paul Stevens has called for a flat out repeal of the 2A. To say that no one is trying to take them away is simply wrong.

Then you give us the classic, "there is no reason, rationale, or right for a citizen to own a military grade gun designed exclusively to kill massive amounts of humans..." Guess what? Almost every gun a citizen can own has been used by the military. Let's examine this in more detail. Can you buy a Colt 1911 ACP .45? Of course you can...and it was used and still is use by the military for more than 100 years. How about a Baretta M9? Yep, that one too. How about a Remington, Mossberg or Benelli shotgun? Yep...used in combat and you can buy those also. How about a bolt action rifle? Popular with hunters and snipers alike. And you know what's even weirder? I KNOW it's really the AR-15 you had in mind in your original post. And of all of the guns I mentioned above, guess which one was never used by the military. That's right...the AR-15.

Guess what else? The AR-15 was originally patented in 1957 as a varmint gun. It wasn't until 1963 that the military requested that the design be modified for select fire (both semi-auto and full auto capability) before adopting it as the M-16. Contrary to "gunitard myth," the AR-15 is not a military arm modified for civilian use.

I see you lecturing others here about repeating the NRA narrative and for not thinking for themselves. And yet you are doing the exact same thing...everything you babble here is right out of the Gun Control For Dummies handbook. And what's worse...you are wrong about every point you make.

My last is this quote, "Saying we can't control everything as a way to justify, 'let's not do anything'." Wrong thinking. The reason we strongly disagree with one another is that someone like you is not willing to accept the real issue.

The problem is human behavior, and deep down, you know that's something the government really cannot control. If someone is evil and motivated to commit murder, what law could possibly stop them?

The only people who will obey the laws and the law abiding. And they aren't the problem.

NaturalBeautyQueen · 41-45, F

Just because you never heard of shootings when you were a kid, doesn’t mean it never happened. There are tons of mass shootings that you don’t hear about on the news. The news didn’t report there were 18 mass shootings, until the one in FL happened.

Nobody wants to take away your guns. People die in car accidents. But nobody is taking cars away. The moment people were being killed in car accidents due to texting and driving, they made a law not to text and drive. The drinking age used to be 18. Smoking used to be 16. But something happened to where the drinking age became 21 and the smoking age 18. But when it comes to guns, there’s no change. It hadn’t been since 1949, when the first mass shooting happened in America. There’s a pattern and people are ignoring it. Because the focus is the worry about having their guns taken away, rather than seeing the entire picture. I don’t understand that and don’t expect to because I’m not a gun owner. I have nothing against it. It’s just not my thing.

I don’t believe that every person owning a gun or multiple guns, are going to go off killing people. I know responsible gun owners, as friends and family. And I do not believe that guns are the only issue. I do feel that we’ve got the wrong people carrying. Am I talking about the mentally ill. No, because according to the DSM, we are all mentally ill. There’s mental illness in other countries. But there are mentally ill people that are either undiagnosed and ignore, to people that are diagnosed mentally ill, treated, then take themselves off medications because they “feel better”, then find themselves having suicide and homicidal thoughts, that also go ignored.

Enough said, but will close with this.... Gunowners in their early to mid 20’s, with severe mental illnesses, that stop treatment without the consent or the supervision by a professional, is the pattern that people choose to ignore.

SW-User

For those here that are not in agreement with the premise of this post, I have these questions.
Please lay out your detailed ideas for "gun control". Whenever that term gets thrown out it seems it's flippant with no substance.
And two, who would enforce the "control"?
Seems in this horrific instance in Florida, that the FBI had numerous indications, suspicions, alerts, etc. that were put on the back burner. Thus, there was "control" that never was enforced.
So basically the government sure has hell cant enforce control effectively. So who would do it and how? But again, define "control".

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SW-User

@MistyCee I couldn't agree more

NaturalBeautyQueen · 41-45, F

@SW-User @MistyCee I agree. And thank you both. All of this division between us. Now is not the time. The innocent people who died, may of came from democrat, republican, either or. I don’t care about that. I care about their lives, and what’s to be done so that we don’t lose more.

SW-User

@NaturalBeautyQueen so true. It was precious lives that were lost.
Not democrat, not republican, not independent, etc

lilcountrygrl · 36-40, F

beautifully written! And I totally agree! Everyone focuses on the weapon used but ignores how really messed up our society is.

LoveYouLoveMe · F

@lilcountrygrl Thank you. Oddly I was just posting a story about people and how they might abuse guns. I did not know that I would trigger some people. Oh well. Thanks again. :)

smileylovesgaming · 31-35, F

I read there was signs there that kid needed to be took away and tested. But truly shows how lazy our government truly is. They don't do anything unless something happens. They rather spend hundreds of thousands of tax payers money to feed and cloth this kid in prison for the rest of his life. Then get him the help he needed before this happen

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smileylovesgaming · 31-35, F

@Pherick even the case worker for child support was called over 20 time's over this kid

LoveYouLoveMe · F

@smileylovesgaming I think we can go by what we hear from the media but what I am realizing is that there are so many things that we do not know. We are given tidbits of information and we form opinions but something tells me if we had all the information in front of us, we would have different opinions. There are so many organizations involved and many should share information with each other but I do not know if they do.

smileylovesgaming · 31-35, F

@LoveYouLoveMe but I get gun control is important and all. Kid's shouldn't be allow to touch a gun at all unless the parent is right there. Gee my kid's are not allowed in my office at all unless I'm there. And my guns and ammo are kept separate.

I guess u could make it harder to get guns and ammo. But it doesn't really do any good if u can go around the block and buy one illegal. Just like drug's. It won't change at all

Pherick · 41-45, M

I find this line of thought so interesting. You have a right to your guns because the government gave you that right. The only inalienable rights we have according to our government are [b]Life[/b], Liberty and the Pursuit of Happiness. Everything else is an add-on.

One thing I would mention as well, your line,[quote]I remember when I was a kid, I never heard of any such thing happening. [/quote] I think this is an interconnected issue. I am sure there was school shooting when you were a kid, but the news was from 6pm to 7pm on the TV. If you weren't watching that or reading a large circulation newspaper, would you have heard about it?

The last point I would make is that the rest of the world has mental health issues, the rest of the world has some guns as well. The rest of the world does not have school shootings the way we have school shootings. So there is something different about the US ...

Thank you though for bringing this up in calm manner, its a nice change. I do agree as well that community is very important and we can do better with our children, but I am not sure that equals more school shootings. Did you see the interview with the family that had Cruz living with them for the past few months, they had NO idea who this evil person was, they reported knowing a nice, polite young man.

LoveYouLoveMe · F

@Pherick You are probably right. I also lived in the country but it still was not so out there like it is now. I did not see the family that had Cruz living with them. I did see something last night about a young girl that was taken into a foster home and she killed the mother.

She has mental issues and sadly the family that was doing good lost in the end. Thank you for your posting. I love to hear others thoughts. :)

MistyCee

Those are great thoughts, but why do you love guns so much that you think there should be no "control" over them?

SW-User

I am British and we just cannot believe it when we hear of shootings in US. To us it is madness to allow guns. Personally, If I was going to US I would want to wear a bullet proof vest before I got off the aircraft.
We cannot believe that people want to keep their guns. Perhaps the NRA should buy all US school children a bullet proof vest.

SW-User

Well said. I think restrictions are not a bad idea, but it wouldn't be a good idea if people had morals :)
I couldn't agree more with that

LoveYouLoveMe · F

@SW-User :)

Caramelwonder · 36-40, M

We have the second amendment for a reason

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needsmilk808 · 56-60, M

I couldn't agree more. Thanks for putting it to words.

Caramelwonder · 36-40, M

The second amendment is there for a reason

Tantrapleasure · 56-60, M

Spot on!! Love it!

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