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I Do Not Support Gun Control

I would hate that the government could take away my guns. I have a right to have them.

When you hear about the school shootings, the senseless murders from people that have mental issues. I think that we need to realize that we cannot control everything. I feel badly for all involved the parents, the children, teachers, community, getting killed in schools. That is tragic and sadly becoming a common thing.

I remember when I was a kid, I never heard of any such thing happening. I think our society has made some huge changes that have affect peoples minds, their thought processes and the lack of taking ownership for their behavior.

In a nutshell, people have lost what I was taught as a child, morals, respect have integrity. We respected our elders, teachers, other parents, older siblings, people of authority, etc. We brought up children as a community. Parents, grandparents, teachers, church community and the neighborhood community. Kids were taken care of and we knew we had people that cared about us if our parents were absent.

Now no one wants to get involved because they will probably get more in trouble than if they had stayed out of it. So children are falling through the cracks. They have no one to go to any more. Many teacher want to be "Friends" now and not a person of authority so that does not help.

It takes one good action that you do for a kid to effect their lives forever. You might never know it, but that kid will remember it. I know I had one person do that for me. She changed my belief in something and I remember her to this day. One bad action could harm a child for life as well. It takes one comment from a person to make a kid feel that he does not matter and once that is in him, it will stay for a while unless he learns to dismiss it. Enough of my thoughts.
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SW-User
For those here that are not in agreement with the premise of this post, I have these questions.
Please lay out your detailed ideas for "gun control". Whenever that term gets thrown out it seems it's flippant with no substance.
And two, who would enforce the "control"?
Seems in this horrific instance in Florida, that the FBI had numerous indications, suspicions, alerts, etc. that were put on the back burner. Thus, there was "control" that never was enforced.
So basically the government sure has hell cant enforce control effectively. So who would do it and how? But again, define "control".
Pherick · 41-45, M
@SW-User There is a good article here witha variety of experts chiming in, but it breaks down like this .. (though go read this, it has a great graphic)

https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2017/10/05/upshot/how-to-reduce-mass-shooting-deaths-experts-say-these-gun-laws-could-help.html

- Universal background Gun checks
- Bar sales to violent criminals
- Bar sales to mentally ill
- Expand mental health treatments
- No sales to suspected or know terrorists
- Universal checks for ammo buyers
- Bar sales to stalkers
- Universal gun registry
- Semiauto and high capacity ammo clip bans


There are lots of options and until we have these in federal law, we aren't doing enough.
SW-User
@Pherick good but very basic small list...
But again, who would enforce it all and how? A government extension?
Pherick · 41-45, M
@SW-User Feel free to read the article yourself, I copied maybe the top 10 suggestions, there were about 30 or 40 on that page?

We have a government arm that handles these things, the ATF, Alcohol, Tobacco and Firearms! Why not make them the central minder of these information. FBI databases would have to be used, as well as whatever other databases are needed, but we can do it.

Its just a matter of having the will.
NaturalBeautyQueen · 41-45, F
@SW-UserNot saying I agree or disagree. But I do believe there needs to be gun control.

I always throw out the example of cars. When you buy a car, you can’t just go buy a car. You need a tag, insurance, you have to be at driving age, a license, etc. Why can’t we have that with guns? And what if your gun get stolen? Are you covered? How does that work? What about a private seller, selling their gun to anybody? No background check, no ID, no age, nothing? What if the purchaser has a plan to kill? The seller may not have a plan to kill, but the person they are selling the gun may be.

As I mentioned below, when people died in car accidents due to texting, nobody hesitated to make texting while driving illegal. When people were dying for not wearing their seat belts, same thing, now it’s the law to wear a seat belt.

Honestly, I don’t know who need to make these laws or how, but these killings need to stop. I’m sure we can all agree with that. I also know one thing, nobody is talking about how. Because “now is not the time”.

If these mass shootings started and has been going on since since 1949, and with no change or control, that’s a problem.

I think there’s a line of people to blame for this. Do I believe the ones that sold him the gun are? Nope, because they did what they were legally told to do. And I can’t imagine being in that position and later find out, the gun they sold, killed 17 innocent people. To my understanding, the shooter was reported to the FBI and nobody knows what happened after that. There is something wrong. But a lot of these things are like abusive relationship cases, nobody takes it seriously, until the person actually does some serious harm. If on his background check showed a red flag, at the time of purchase, the police should’ve been called, he should’ve been arrested then, and those 17 lives would’ve been saved.

I do believe that selling and buying from a private seller, should be illegal. Mainly because that would be protecting everybody, including the seller. If that makes sense.
@SW-User The devil's in the details, and as a non gun enthusiast, I'm willing to concede I'm not the best person to make suggestions.

In fact, I think people who know guns are the people who should be most involved in proposing band aids. It's easy to say cut off the limb, but it's harder to know how to treat the local infection, including placebos if they help.

But ignoring it entirely and screaming about how you don't want to lose the limb doesnt help.

And yes, I'm all for holistic medicine and preventive treatment as well.
SW-User
@NaturalBeautyQueen it does makes sense and I don't disagree.
And it is the private party sell that's gonna be the toughest to "control".
Look at illegal drugs. While they are illegal and under "control", they still slip under radars
NaturalBeautyQueen · 41-45, F
@SW-User Very true. Can’t argue with that.

There’s gangs all over the world, selling and buying guns privately. And in other countries it’s illegal. But still America is number one in mass shootings. Why is that? Because America has this thing where threatening students and being flagged/reported online, doesn’t apply.

At the end of the day, this should have never been.... A threatening, dangerous, teen, refusing mental health treatment, with red flags everywhere, should have never owned a gun.
SW-User
@MistyCee @NaturalBeautyQueen
I truly appreciate the civil dialogue..
it's this type debate that makes progress and advances action.
@SW-User if only this kind of discussion happened more often, not just in Congress, but with the talking heads on the news, I think we'd all be better off.
SW-User
@MistyCee I couldn't agree more
NaturalBeautyQueen · 41-45, F
@SW-User @MistyCee I agree. And thank you both. All of this division between us. Now is not the time. The innocent people who died, may of came from democrat, republican, either or. I don’t care about that. I care about their lives, and what’s to be done so that we don’t lose more.
SW-User
@NaturalBeautyQueen so true. It was precious lives that were lost.
Not democrat, not republican, not independent, etc