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Who do Americans think are winning the war between Russia and Ukraine ?

Justice4All · 36-40, M
If you asked that question last year, I'm sure Democrats and many Republicans would have said Russia was getting low on artillery and Putin would fall soon. After years of propaganda, the US media can't deny it anymore. It demonstrates the media's ability to sway American beliefs and then change their narrative when it's no longer sustainable to deceive them.
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the media is in full speed trying to convince the ppl its winnable. to keep the cash flowing..

ukraine lost over a year ago...
ididntknow · 51-55, M
@Diotrephes And what makes you think that
Diotrephes · 70-79, M
@ididntknow [quote]And what makes you think that[/quote]

He can't even defeat a weak nation right on his border. He has been doing the Zionists' bidding in trying to grab Ukrainian land for a new Jewish country.
ididntknow · 51-55, M
PleasurePunch · 100+
because America had no right to threaten Russia with placing NATO bases right on Russian borders in violation of its OWN PLEDGE in 1990

and nothing is more defensible to America than a WRONG/betraying position that could END THE WORLD.

Its an American kind of thing to do.
ididntknow · 51-55, M
@JSul3 I think China should expand their operations into Mexico, move their missiles / rockets 🚀 right up to America’s southern border, let’s see if America put up with that, if Ukraine join NATO, that is what you asking Russia to accept, who do America and NATO think they are,
PleasurePunch · 100+
@ididntknow good thoughts.😔

thank you.
IronHamster · 56-60, M
@ididntknow China is already in Mexico, moving drugs and weapons with their cartel partners.
DeWayfarer · 61-69, M
It's not a matter of who is winning.

What is amazing is who hasn't already lost! Especially considering American Republican current love of Russia, China and even North Korea.

Quite a difference from Vietnam isn't? Where Russia, China and even North Korea was the enemy. Now who was the aggressor there? And who really won there?

Now who has given up in Ukraine‽
And who is a believer in democracy‽

Or has greed and profits entered into the equation and became more important than freedom for all?

This is a war for freedom for the people. And not freedom for the greedy corporate world! Nor freedom for dictators and oligarchs!

Now who has publicly said they were friends with all three dictators? And who claims to be the equivalent to an oligarch with more than a billion?

There never was such a thing as communism! Yet dictatorships have existed ever since Napoleon and Genghis Khan!

Would you rather have had them won the world?

This is the threat you are facing! For all three of them have formed an alliance already!

Yet like Vietnam, Ukraine still stands!
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GeistInTheMachine · 31-35, M
[quote]Americans think

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There's your problem right there.
fanuc2013 · 51-55, F
I hope Ukraine wins, possibly causing Putin and his ilk to fall from power, and Russia becoming a peaceful democratic nation.
IronHamster · 56-60, M
@TwistedApe This guy's been wrong since before Russia left forty miles of military hardware on the road to Kiev.
TwistedApe · 51-55, M
@IronHamster well it seems that we are at an impasse then. It is a good thing that we live in a free Western society where we can have different opinons. Unless of course it is about Trans issues, then that get thrown out the window and does not apply
ArishMell · 70-79, M
@fanuc2013 Russia has never known democracy.

It had a brief attempt after the Russian Revolution overthrew the Tsar, but the Bolsheviks (precursors to Lenins' Communist regime) took over by coup.

It had another brief attempt after the fall of Communism but with no-one experienced and able to carry it forwards, it was not long before a new "Tsar", Vladimir Putin, was able to manipulate his way to power.
4meAndyou · F
Russia, IMO.
ididntknow · 51-55, M
@IronHamster ok, you keep believing the propaganda, let’s give it 3 to 4 months, and we can both see how it all works out can’t we,
IronHamster · 56-60, M
@ididntknow A Russian win would have been three days. It doesn't matter what they do, now. Putin has irrevocably embarrassed the paper bear.
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Having a war in Europe, bombing a gas pipeline, that was successful for America.
JSul3 · 70-79
@ididntknow Putin invaded Ukraine. Ukraine did not invade Russia.

Putin desires to retake lands lost when the Soviet Union fell. He has stated such.
ididntknow · 51-55, M
@JSul3 why did Putin invade Ukraine ?
JSul3 · 70-79
@ididntknow

Why did Russia invade Ukraine?

Russia surprised the world on February 24, 2022, by invading Ukraine, starting a brutal battle that is still raging today.

Russia's President Vladimir Putin has given varying public explanations for why he launched the invasion.

Here are the reasons Putin gave, how they match with reality, and the other likely reasons why Russia sent its armed forces into an independent, sovereign nation.

Putin sees Ukraine as Russian
Ukraine was part of the Soviet Union, before declaring itself an independent country, cementing the move in a referendum days before the USSR collapsed in December 1991.

The country has maintained its independence ever since. But Putin still refers to Ukraine as Russian, and denies it's a nation in its own right. He told then-US President George W. Bush in 2008 that Ukraine wasn't even a country.

Putin spoke to former Fox News host Tucker Carlson in an interview released on February 8, 2024, where he argued Russia has a historic claim to Ukraine.

Stephen Hall, a Russian politics expert at the University of Bath in the UK, said many Russians still hold this view, and that "it isn't just the Kremlin."

Hall said Russia sees Kyiv, the Ukrainian capital, as the "mother of Russian cities," and for Putin he can't have that being outside his own country.

Ukraine in order to back up its argument to being a great power that has existed for millennia.

Without it "Russia can't claim a thousand years of history because Kyiv was already in existence 1,200 years ago, when Moscow was a forest," he said.
Fifteen of today's sovereign nations were once part of the Soviet Union, and experts say Russia cares more about Ukraine than nearby Belarus, as well as other former USSR countries in central Asia.

Hall said "Putin's opinion has always been that Ukrainians and Russians are the same people, that they're part of the Slavic Brotherhood of Russia, Belarus, and Ukraine.

For Putin, "Russia has a right to rule Ukraine. Russians and Ukrainians are one nation and one people. They were illegitimately and artificially separated when the Soviet Union collapsed, and he blames the West for trying to pull Ukraine out of Russia's natural friendship," Taylor said.

At the start of the invasion, Putin blamed NATO's expansion into eastern Europe for forcing his hand.

Hall said the idea that NATO is threatening Russia by expanding towards its borders is "very much part of the Russian propaganda narrative."

He also pointed out that NATO doesn't simply expand, but that countries apply to join, usually motivated by a perceived outside threat. In eastern Europe, that threat often comes from Russia.

Lithuania's prime minister, for example, told Insider in February that her country joined NATO "because of Putin."

Putin has used the NATO line to try to convince an international audience who might already have strong misgivings about the Western military alliance, Hall said.

And if Russia can engage with even a minority who feel this way "it creates an electoral voice for Russia to use to try and stop Western engagement," he said.

Hall added that even if NATO was expanding "that doesn't justify what Russia has done in Ukraine."

Ukraine's own ties with NATO deepened after 2014, when pro-Russian forces invaded eastern Ukraine, starting a conflict that continued until the 2022 invasion.

Putin blames NATO, but Taylor said he doesn't see a "coherent explanation" for how NATO's alleged expansion could lead to this war.

Before Finland joined NATO earlier this year, no new countries had joined the alliance since 2004, and even then it was "pretty tiny countries" — Estonia, Latvia, and Lithuania — Taylor noted.

He also said that NATO didn't put additional troops in the region "so it wasn't like the addition of those countries created this military force on Russia's doorstep."

In fact, Taylor said that the US was cutting back on the size of its armed forces in Europe until pro-Russian forces occupied parts of Ukraine in 2014.

Source: Business Insider
ididntknow · 51-55, M
@ArishMell And therein lies your problem, you believe what the mainstream media tells you, do you know that the whole of the world’s media, is owned by six corporations, and all sing from the same hymn sheet,
Dacrowman · 70-79, M
Will there be a winner or just 2 losers 🤔
MarineBob · 56-60, M
WWTD, what would Truman do?

 
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