@soar2newhighs What?

Your post alleges that those of the right wing base are bigots. Do you think that there are not those of the left-wing base that are bigots, too? Or are you just an anti Trump person.@DunningKruger

@soar2newhighs Of course there are people among the left who are bigots. However, bigotry — against immigrants, against African-Americans, against women and so on — has become cornerstone of contemporary American conservatism. You are attempting to create a false equivalency.

Take this as an example. Jason Smith, a Republican representative from Missouri, yelled at Tony Cárdenas, a Democratic representative from California, "Go back to Puerto Rico!" He did this [i]on the House floor[/i]. Setting aside the fact that Cárdenas's heritage is Mexican, not Puerto Rican, it wasn't all that long ago that someone in that position who behaved in such a risible manner would be expected to resign his position immediately, and if not, he would have been drummed out of Congress. Now? The right doesn't even bat an eye.

Steve King makes openly white supremacist remarks, but he regains his seat in the House anyway. The worst that happens to him? He loses his committee appointments.

Republican congressmen Andy Harris and Phil Roe met with Holocaust denier and white supremacy troll Chuck Johnson on Capitol Hill to discuss “DNA" and "genetics." Johnson is a eugenics proponent.

In 2017, there were 36 right-wing terrorist attacks in the United States. That doesn't include any of the mass shootings that aren't typically classified as terrorism.

At a GM plant in Toledo, white workers regularly put up "whites only" signs above restrooms, called black co-workers "boy," told them to "go back to Africa." They reportedly wore Nazi symbols on their shirts. Eventually, someone hung up a noose.

These stories go on and on and on. There seems to be no end of them.

You want to make the old "there are bad people on the other side, too" argument, bud, knock yourself out. Don't expect for a minute that it bares any resemblance to reality.

@Amyrakunejo a third world war with who ? Mexico ?

@revenant

> they are not a problem ?

No.

> they do not demand money ?

Demand money? Could you articulate what you're implying here?

> they do not tax resources ?

There's lots of data showing they're overall tax contributors and use far fewer resources than citizens.

> what exactly do they bring ?

The same thing any immigrants do. They bring labour, knowledge, and population increase. The US and Canada were settled by large waves of immigrants with no education who did not speak English.

More immigrants = richer country. And just like today, all those immigrants were hated by the residents. They even put Ukrainians in internment camps in WW1 in Canada.

But this is a side show. The wall is still a bad idea and won't work, even IF illegal immigrants were bad to the country.

As for persecution I would imagine you'd think this is a good thing? After all you'd want to drive the illegals out.

@CountScrofula Oh you mean hordes of men who do not speak English nor French, have no skills, do not know how to read and write, come from totally different backgrounds, are housed, fed, given more rights than Candadian citizens, have access to healthcare, eye and teeth taken care of for FREE ( hello..Canadian citizens do not even have that right ) are a good thing for Canada ?
I am not blaming them though. Anybody would take for free what is given FREELY, no question asked.
Hospitals are taxed to the limit.
How is the Canadian dollar doing now ?
How is Toronto doing in terms of crime ?

You are conflating settlers and immigrants who built the country. Canada became a rich country. Very rich country.

I am grossly exaggerating on purpose.

What’s your source for that? @Razorback

@AbbySvenz Good luck with that. It's not like he's going to pull his own guts out, take a picture of them, and get it posted here before he dies.

@Lackwittyname well if you are arguing for the BBC..

page not found on my browser regarding dhs

@revenant Just giving an article that shows different statistics, there is a link in the BBC article that can take you to the DHS one, in point number 6 "more than 700,000 people who entered the US legally overstayed their expected departure date in 2018"

@Lackwittyname OK and ?

I would not give you anything from the CBC (canadian broadcasting corp ) for it is paid for by the liberal party.

@PTCdresser57 I am not in the US. I am in a country which a pretty good surplus in 2015 but now "the budget will not be balanced till 2041" because of massive spendings in leftist ideals.

I know you arent in the US. So you understand the spending that goes on in government. In real life I deal with inventory and budgets so I know numbers well. Without proper taxation and spending...governments seem to think money grows on trees...lol

@PTCdresser57 I cannot really talk about those things yes .But I understand that ideologies run the budget though.

@SW-User in what way are they racist ? what would you offer instead of a wall ?

@DunningKruger According to the comment time stamps, you spent a maximum of 5 minutes trying to "confirm numbers". I doubt you even Google'd one thing. You can't research anything in 5 minutes. But, in case you are being genuine, here's a start:

https://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/statements/2017/feb/13/ron-johnson/border-fence-israel-cut-illegal-immigration-99-per/

https://www.usatoday.com/story/opinion/2017/08/22/homeland-security-secretary-border-walls-work-yuma-sector-proves-it-elaine-duke-column/586853001/

@Sicarium The Politifact article includes the line, "However, they warn against generalizing that the fence is the sole reason for the drop and raise objections in comparing Israel’s border issues to those in the United States." They also noted that the Israeli wall is 150 miles long, while the US-Mexican border is nearly 2,000 miles long.

Likewise, the Yuma barrier is about 120 miles wide, comparable to the Israeli wall. Yes, apprehensions dropped in the Yuma territory, but a question to ask is did immigrants who would have crossed in Yuma simply decide not to cross the border because of the barrier, or did they simply move their crossing to somewhere where it would be easier? If you drop a big rock in the middle of a river, the river just flows around it.

The USA Today link you provide is not to a factual article but to an opinion piece written by a collaborator in the Trump regime. I do not find Ms. Duke's arguments to be persuasive.

I do not find your arguments to be persuasive, either.

@DunningKruger That's a misrepresentation, that's the "other side," not the article writer. You are litterally taking an attempt at being unbiased and using it to ignore the rest of the article. That is intellectually dishonest. And the USA article includes links, which you ignored.

[quote]I do not find your arguments to be persuasive, either.[/quote]

I'm not surprised at all, nor am I surprised by your earlier disingenuousness. You want to ignore the data, you didn't research anything, and you'll continue to use false information because it agrees with your world view.

@Razorback Freaking truth.

@Razorback 🤣

I of course know that the Berlin Wall was one of many contributing factors, but nonetheless, Mexico has nuclear-capable allies. The wall is going to be one several triggers ready to blow us into the grips of World War III.

If I have to explain any further on how the wall is not and never will be a good idea, then may the Divines be merciful upon you. You're beyond help.

@Amyrakunejo huh ?

So out of touch with the real world

@Razorback that is a loooot of money spent on illegal immigration

@SW-User a drop in the budget from what I hear. 2020.

@FreestyleArt ahh voters. yes

@lorne13 where do you get your news from ?

@curiosi What?

@SW-User am not in the US