Dems : why don't you want a Wall south of the border ?

I would like to know your reasons please

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PTCdresser57 · 61-69, M

Ok...why are we Americans paying for it? What are the on going costs to maintain the wall? How did the cost start at 5 billion and now 5.7 billion?Trump hasnt done what he promised in his campaign Mexico isnt paying for it and there will be added costs. No wall in the history of the world has stopped anyone...even the great wall of China couldnt stop invasions. Walls and moats around castles stopped no one. Illegal immigrants are at an all time low without a wall and most dont cross the border.

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@PTCdresser57 people have a different opinion. Yes I believe walls are effective. Do you want to stay safe ?

PTCdresser57 · 61-69, M

Stay safe...sure...have Americans stop killing each other. Illegal immagrants account for less than 2% all murders in the US. Thats in the last 50 yrs statistically.

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@PTCdresser57 I hear people have different statistics. And there could be a lot of social changes. Lots of immigrants have their hearts for where they come from which is totally understandable. Lots of political changes and less revenues for America.

PTCdresser57 · 61-69, M

I will say this...I have no problem with a wall. The problem I have is America paying for it. Trump said Mexico was paying so go get your money from Mexico. If not from Mexico...then no wall. And dont give me some talk about how in some new trade deal Mexico will pay...Trump hasnt showed how or when they would pay through that deal...its not what he promised.

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@PTCdresser57 agree he could have made it clearer. I think he meant that less illegal immigrants would mean less revenues sent to Mexico. So in a way Mexico would pay for it indirectly. Less welfare etc. And yeah well Americans should pay for that wall. Why not ?

PTCdresser57 · 61-69, M

See thats what Trump does...he almost never makes things clear. Why not?? Because like I said...364000 illegals down from 1.6 million without a wall. And most of those arent from crossing the border. So just get better and more efficient with added security ppl. Nobody will stop it totally.

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@PTCdresser57 yes but whose statistics are you using ? You know the Extra Extra Extra political correctness atmosphere we are living in would do that. He is always being accused of being a nazi and such nonsense. And Caravans..

PTCdresser57 · 61-69, M

It sure isnt from the news casts. I google what I am looking for and compare different reporting sources until I find two or three that report about the same numbers.
He makes up stuff...caravans with drug dealers and thiefs and murderers...not! Unproven by anyone yet he opens his mouth saying it as if its true.

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@PTCdresser57 wellllllllllllllllll...............plenty of vids but......

PTCdresser57 · 61-69, M

There sure are plenty of vids of him saying something totally wrong but serves what he believes and wants others to believe.

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@PTCdresser57 well he is the president after all.

PTCdresser57 · 61-69, M

He is...but he thinks like he is running a buisness...not a country.

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@PTCdresser57 how would you like it to be run then ?

PTCdresser57 · 61-69, M

How?? You have a budget...only so much money. Just like any household. So use your brain how you spend it. Just like his so called tax cuts. 2 yrs for citizens...lifetime for corporations. So what happens in 2 yrs.? My taxes will go up and coporates wont. Most ppl dont get that part...in the meantime the federal deficit keeps growing. No one in the world can deny that...numbers never lie.

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@PTCdresser57 I am not in the US. I am in a country which a pretty good surplus in 2015 but now "the budget will not be balanced till 2041" because of massive spendings in leftist ideals.

PTCdresser57 · 61-69, M

I know you arent in the US. So you understand the spending that goes on in government. In real life I deal with inventory and budgets so I know numbers well. Without proper taxation and spending...governments seem to think money grows on trees...lol

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@PTCdresser57 I cannot really talk about those things yes .But I understand that ideologies run the budget though.