dancingtongue · 80-89, M
The difficulty is three-fold, imho. At least with the U.S. system. I cannot speak to the Australian system of justice.
1. We have too many laws on the books rooted in outright systemic discrimination -- the long history of marijuana prosecution because it was predominantly used in the Black community originally is a prime example -- or are just outdated oppression of lower classes, and too many law enforcement personnel who enforce the laws in unequal and discriminatory patterns to benefit those in power.
2. We have far too many attorneys, creating an overly-litigious society that King George III warned us about, and constantly in search of loopholes and obscure technicalities for either prosecution or defense.
3. We have totally given up on any attempts at rehabilitation in our prisons for those convicted of even minor crimes. The prisons largely have been privatized, and they pay minimal pay for guards who are largely unsupervised and see their jobs solely as treating inmates in nearly, and sometimes not even nearly, criminal ways themselves. They have become criminal factories where people are incarcerated for relatively minor infractions, become recruited into criminal gangs out of self-preservation, and come out bigger criminals than they were going in. If they ever were a threat to society to begin with.
It is a complex conundrum that cannot be solved with weighing in on only one side.
1. We have too many laws on the books rooted in outright systemic discrimination -- the long history of marijuana prosecution because it was predominantly used in the Black community originally is a prime example -- or are just outdated oppression of lower classes, and too many law enforcement personnel who enforce the laws in unequal and discriminatory patterns to benefit those in power.
2. We have far too many attorneys, creating an overly-litigious society that King George III warned us about, and constantly in search of loopholes and obscure technicalities for either prosecution or defense.
3. We have totally given up on any attempts at rehabilitation in our prisons for those convicted of even minor crimes. The prisons largely have been privatized, and they pay minimal pay for guards who are largely unsupervised and see their jobs solely as treating inmates in nearly, and sometimes not even nearly, criminal ways themselves. They have become criminal factories where people are incarcerated for relatively minor infractions, become recruited into criminal gangs out of self-preservation, and come out bigger criminals than they were going in. If they ever were a threat to society to begin with.
It is a complex conundrum that cannot be solved with weighing in on only one side.
whowasthatmaskedman · 70-79, M
@dancingtongue I agree with you on all three points. All laws should involve harm or damage to another. That should thin the books down. And on that basis, Most cases should not need attornies. A Judge and their clerks should be able to see the damage withing minutes in the simplified statutes and the penalty applied, with very limit room to appeal. And there is no way a rich or powerful person gets a much reduced penalty.😷
DeWayfarer · 61-69, M
Not saying I have any answers, yet there's too many factors not taken into account in this.
The capitalist system being one of the biggies. Yet as well some misunderstandings in what happens in nature.
Believe or not, occasionally the banished rogue, might eventually become the leader of the pack.
It's a weird, yet often misunderstood, phenomenon.
We are not that different from our ancient ancestors in the animal kingdom.
Look who is in office today.
The capitalist system being one of the biggies. Yet as well some misunderstandings in what happens in nature.
Believe or not, occasionally the banished rogue, might eventually become the leader of the pack.
It's a weird, yet often misunderstood, phenomenon.
We are not that different from our ancient ancestors in the animal kingdom.
Look who is in office today.
whowasthatmaskedman · 70-79, M
@DeWayfarer I agree. We are not that different. And yet the society we live in assumes we are way more evolved than we are. Thats the basic problem. We really need to protect those people there is good in by dealing more effectively (however you want to work that out) with those who dont have a "better nature".😷
AthrillatheHunt · 51-55, M
I’m against the death penalty , but anyone who murders is a threat to society and should be permanently removed. People behave differently when they know there’s no second chances. Keeps them civilized .
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whowasthatmaskedman · 70-79, M
@AthrillatheHunt A nice idea. I would need to see it work before I agreed..😷
RachelLia2003 · 22-25, F
in these days you keep forgetting to add this > 😷
take your vitamins and go see your doc
take your vitamins and go see your doc
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SomeMichGuy · M
@whowasthatmaskedman I think appealing to our better selves is important.
Selfishness has destroyed all sorts of good things.
Selfishness has destroyed all sorts of good things.
whowasthatmaskedman · 70-79, M
@SomeMichGuy I agree completely. But its who we are. Put a person under pressure regarding their lives or their family (which American society is really good at) and he will turn on you to protect them..😷
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PicturesOfABetterTomorrow · 41-45, M
The first bit is nonsense since "human nature" is not real.
And the "justice system" you described is literally how street gangs carry out discipline within their ranks. This is a territory idea.
And the "justice system" you described is literally how street gangs carry out discipline within their ranks. This is a territory idea.
whowasthatmaskedman · 70-79, M
@PicturesOfABetterTomorrow I agree on that last part. The America (and some other) systems onlt pay lip service to what they claim to support. My ideas would strip away all protection from everyone who transgressed. Even the rich and powerful and the authorities. Commit the offence do the harm. Pay the price. anyway. As the title of the group said at the start, this was always going to be an unpopular opinion and it seems to have cost me at least one friend already. So I will stop now I think.😷
whowasthatmaskedman · 70-79, M
@PicturesOfABetterTomorrow No. The opposite. I am claiming human nature based on the bible is unrealistic.😷
PicturesOfABetterTomorrow · 41-45, M
@whowasthatmaskedman Human nature as a concept is based on biblical ideas and is entirely fictional. It doesn't exist at all. We have proven that.
Roundandroundwego · 61-69
The USA and Israel pretty much agree with you, the rest of us are taking the other road.
meJess · F
Judge Dredd?
whowasthatmaskedman · 70-79, M
@meJess Up to a point, Yes..Its about protecting those who dont break the law from those who do..😷
whowasthatmaskedman · 70-79, M
@Roundandroundwego No. They dont. The creation of laws should only be about real harm of damage. Not belief. The whole concept of law and justice in those countries has been perverted. So the outcome is equally perverted..😷










