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The "Civilised" approach to crime, punishment and justice is all wrong.

In the first place it goes against the Darwinian principles of human psychology that will doom it to failuire in the same way Communism is doomed to fail. It doesnt recognize the true nature of man.
The primary goal of the justice system is to apprehend and prove the guilt of a wrongdoer.. So far, so good.. But then we concern ourselves with the rights of the criminal, his or her welfare and rehabilitation and probable re entry into society. (I know we dont do any of that well. But that is the stated aim) And I have come to the conclusion that this whole approach is wrong.
First. We set way too many arbitrary rules and limits on each other. Only the following principles should apply. Is there harm, damage or cost to another party? (How thats defined can be worked out later) If not, there is no offence.. If so, that harm can be quanified.. At this level , even littering or grafitti is damage and can be quantified.
At that time, a penalty can be imposed, financial, custodial or whatever. But the difference is that once convicted, the criminal has their right to return to society suspended. Society can choose to deprive them of a vote, employment, liberty or even life, if they deem this person will be a risk of more harm to the law abiding members of society. The law should not protect the criminal. The law should be firmly behind those who are not criminals, to protect them. This turns Blackstones ration on it head.
"it is better that 100 guilty persons should escape than that one innocent person should suffer". Attributed to Benjamin Franklin. A fine ideal. But it puts society at risk from the guilty. In nature, in particular with our nearest relatives, the primates, we see those who break the laws of the group shunned, banished or killed, for the good of the tribe. No appeal. No legal technicalities. No rehabilitation. And no repeat offenders.. And pretty much everyone follows the rules that promote harmony in the group..
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dancingtongue · 80-89, M
The difficulty is three-fold, imho. At least with the U.S. system. I cannot speak to the Australian system of justice.

1. We have too many laws on the books rooted in outright systemic discrimination -- the long history of marijuana prosecution because it was predominantly used in the Black community originally is a prime example -- or are just outdated oppression of lower classes, and too many law enforcement personnel who enforce the laws in unequal and discriminatory patterns to benefit those in power.

2. We have far too many attorneys, creating an overly-litigious society that King George III warned us about, and constantly in search of loopholes and obscure technicalities for either prosecution or defense.

3. We have totally given up on any attempts at rehabilitation in our prisons for those convicted of even minor crimes. The prisons largely have been privatized, and they pay minimal pay for guards who are largely unsupervised and see their jobs solely as treating inmates in nearly, and sometimes not even nearly, criminal ways themselves. They have become criminal factories where people are incarcerated for relatively minor infractions, become recruited into criminal gangs out of self-preservation, and come out bigger criminals than they were going in. If they ever were a threat to society to begin with.

It is a complex conundrum that cannot be solved with weighing in on only one side.
whowasthatmaskedman · 70-79, M
@dancingtongue I agree with you on all three points. All laws should involve harm or damage to another. That should thin the books down. And on that basis, Most cases should not need attornies. A Judge and their clerks should be able to see the damage withing minutes in the simplified statutes and the penalty applied, with very limit room to appeal. And there is no way a rich or powerful person gets a much reduced penalty.😷