All this going on with ICE and stuff...

@samueltyler2 well, i agree they are humans that deserve to be treated as humans. the problem is they arent offered citizenship so they are a problem. theyre also prolific breeders. its not just like its them its them and their children. my only bias is that if they are illegal i agree with others that they should be sent back per the law. if they were to change the law then i would probably agree with the changed law. im not really biased personally. i dont know how to run a country. my town is 80% latino population. most my immediate neighbors are latino, which i consider friends. ive had "illegals" in my house. (i cant rememeber if they asked me for pot or i asked them but in any case we smoked and hung out a couple times) im not prejudiced at all but i do try to take an objective view when it comes to all this. so what should we call people in their situation?

@Penny Take a look at these:

I misstated about when the last major immigration law was passed. Here is a google answer:


When was the last time Congress passed immigration laws?
AI Overview
The last significant immigration legislation passed by Congress was the Illegal Immigration Reform and Immigrant Responsibility Act (IIRAIRA) of 1996. More recently, Congress passed laws such as the Secure Fence Act of 2006, but the 1996 IIRAIRA is widely considered the last major overhaul of U.S. immigration policy, with numerous attempts at comprehensive reform since then having failed to pass.
Key points:
1996 IIRAIRA: This comprehensive law increased border control measures, increased penalties for illegal immigration, and expanded enforcement authority.
Secure Fence Act of 2006: This act focused on border security, authorizing funding for additional border fencing.
Ongoing Failure to Reform: Despite several attempts, including the Bipartisan Border Security, Economic Opportunity, and Immigration Modernization Act of 2013, comprehensive immigration reform has not been passed since 1996.

https://gillen.house.gov/media/press-releases/gillen-leads-introduction-dignity-act-2025#:~:text=Under%20the%20legislation%20from%20Reps,legal%20status%20with%20work%20authorization.

https://www.judiciary.senate.gov/press/rep/releases/grassley-durbin-propose-bipartisan-h-1b-and-l-1-visa-reforms-to-protect-american-workers-and-stop-outsourcing-jobs

https://www.cramer.senate.gov/news/press-releases/senate-passes-legislation-to-strengthen-enforcement-of-immigration-laws#:~:text=January%2020%2C%202025-,Senate%20Passes%20Legislation%20to%20Strengthen%20Enforcement%20of%20Immigration%20Laws,vote%20of%2064%20to%2035.

https://stefanik.house.gov/2024/2/house-republican-leadership-statement-on-senate-immigration-bill#:~:text=%E2%80%9CHouse%20Republicans%20oppose%20the%20Senate,to%20include%20critical%20asylum%20reforms.

@Penny wow, prolific breeders? where did you get that wording. they are like every other humans. Please stop using the comment that smacks of, some of my best friends are... Many of them have the legal right to seek asylum, under both international and US laws. Again, do not take anyone's words for this, do your own research!

@samueltyler2 the term prolific breeders came from the dirty look i got from a social services worker when i was commenting on how cute a little latino child was while at social services one day
eta- after that i started to notice that i rarely see a young latino woman without at least two kids
she said soemhting too but i cant rememeber exactly what she said, somehitng suggesting that

AI Overview
The Illegal Immigration Reform and Immigrant Responsibility Act (IIRIRA) of 1996 is a landmark U.S. immigration law that significantly expanded the grounds for deportation, created new enforcement measures like expedited removal, restricted avenues for legal status, and imposed new penalties for illegal border crossing and immigration-related fraud. It also included provisions for increased border security and employer sanctions and restricted public benefits for immigrants.
Key Provisions
Increased Enforcement & Border Security: Authorized more Border Patrol agents, mandated new physical barriers and technology along the border, and introduced civil penalties for illegal entry and criminal penalties for high-speed flight from checkpoints.
Expanded Deportable Offenses: Greatly broadened the list of crimes that could lead to deportation, even for minor offenses, and made these changes retroactive.
New Removal Procedures: Established summary deportation procedures such as "expedited removal" and "reinstatement of removal," which allow for quick deportation without an immigration court hearing for certain individuals.
Restrictions on Legal Pathways: Replaced the suspension of deportation with the more difficult-to-qualify "cancellation of removal" and introduced "three and ten-year bars" that prevent individuals from re-entering the U.S. for those periods after being unlawfully present for a certain time.
Mandatory Detention: Expanded mandatory detention for certain immigrants, including asylum seekers in expedited removal proceedings.
Employer Sanctions: Strengthened provisions related to employer penalties for hiring unauthorized workers.
Restrictions on Public Benefits: Limited immigrants' eligibility for certain public benefits.
Restrictions on In-State Tuition: Restricted states from offering in-state tuition to non-legally present students.
Penalties for Document Fraud and Voting: Increased penalties for document fraud and made it a criminal offense for non-citizens to vote in federal elections.

employer sanctions have obviously not been enforced. maybe that would change things for the better.

@Penny repeating a terrible, racist, despicable comment does not make it any better. The same sort of comments have been made by many previous emerging totalitarians. It is part of dehumanization.

@Penny things have evolved since 1996 in use of words, and understanding of problems. The bottom line is the same, we need immigrants for our society to function, we need to find a way to improve the system.

@samueltyler2 well, i dont know if we need illegal immigrants but as a child of immigrants of course i think the US should be open to them. i think 100,000 dollars does seem pretty steep too. as far as dehumanizing goes, id think it could be beneficial when dealing with criminals or in a war type situation. i mean, some people say we're being invaded. i know for alittle while it was pretty bad before, remember? has anything changed? i kno wits a shitty thing to think but atthe same time, if someone tried to kill me or take over my home of course id try to fight them.

@Penny Dehumanization is one of the steps of genocide as per the UN, genocide scholars, and Lemkin who coined the term.

@Penny Appeals to God won't work.
Objectively you'd need to empirically prove God. Besides that, Trump does not follow Christ's teachings or in His image.

The military swears an Oath FOREMOST to the Constitution. If the President violates the Constitution, it's the duty of the to force him to comply with the Constitution or ensure his removal from office.
The same goes for the people.
Hence why the Second Amendment mentions a well regulated militia to safeguard against tyranny.

@Penny Please, stop calling them illegal. We can continue discussing the facts of the situation, but please stop calling them illegal. There are many words that are not acceptable to use anymore. Calling a human illegal is one!

No, I totally disagree that we were "be being invaded." How do you define the word invasion? We may have had a large number of individuals trying to come into the US because they were living horrible lives where they were, they actually came across but then attempted to apply for asylum. I don't know when your family came to the US, mine escaped from pogroms in Eastern Europe and had enough funds to by a steamship ticket and landed at Ellis Island. Today, the way they did it would make them "illegal" by your definition.

@Penny God is too busy to bother with us, or with Trump. Men have free will.

Trump was the elected POTUS, we think after a fair, lawful election. He refused to believe he lost the 2000 election and even today claims it was "stolen." According to our constitution he is the commander in chief. That doesn't give him the license to kill, the SCOTUS did seem to do this by stating that anything he does as POTUS is legal. When i served on the US Navy i was taught to obey all legal, ethical orders and to refuse if I believe an order was not.