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How I learned that God doesn't exist.

I saw that human life can just be squashed.

It disgusts me. And it continues to happen every day.

Something that my human brain sees as precious and valuable is so easily disposable.

There is no inherent importance in what we percieve as irreplaceable. Our brain sees patterns in the sea of randomness. This includes life and consciousness.

How can there be a God if all this is true?
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Zaphod42 · 51-55, M
I’ve always thought it was interesting the humans think we should be such a being’s total preoccupation. If indeed god exists, and is the creator of all, then out of the countless numbers of galaxies in the universe, why would he pick this one to dwell on? And out of the trillions of star systems in the galaxy, what’s so special about ours? And of the millions of species on just this planet, why elevate humans?

Nah, if god exists the it’s far more likely he/she/it is more interested in something is some part of the universe our telescopes can’t even see, and we’re just some random growth in a Petri dish long since forgotten in the lab sink 🤷‍♂
@BlueSkyKing Isn't not coveting slaves the first step toward not owning them?
ArkBallet · 36-40, F
@BlueSkyKing No, there is no morally defensible framework, past or present, in which one human being can justly be treated as property, inherited like livestock. If that’s the standard, then yes, parts of the biblical world fall short of it. When we read the Bible, we’re not reading a single, timeless ethical code dropped into history fully formed. We’re reading texts that emerged across centuries within the ancient Near East, a world where systems we would call slavery were not a marginal evil but the default economic structure. In that context, the Old Testament laws function less like endorsements and more like constraints. They regulate, limit, and in some cases humanize a system they never outright abolish. That’s morally unsatisfying to us, and it should be, but historically it’s not nothing.

You’re right about the Tenth Commandment. It reflects a society where households included persons alongside property. That’s not defensible by modern ethical standards. But it’s descriptive of that world, not necessarily the final word of biblical ethics.

In The New Testament emerges a set of ideas that quietly destabilize the institution from the inside. In texts like Epistle to Philemon, a slave (Onesimus) is no longer framed as property but as a “beloved brother.” In Epistle to the Galatians, the claim that “there is neither slave nor free” introduces a radical theological equality that cuts against the entire logic of ownership.

And I'm aware The New Testament stops short of explicit abolition, and historically, Christians have used both Testaments to justify slavery as often as to oppose it. The approach I take is to read it as progressive revelation, an unfolding moral trajectory moving, however slowly and imperfectly, toward greater human dignity. Another is to read it as a human document, shaped by its time, containing both moral insight and moral limitation.

So I’d put it this way: the Bible does not give us a morally sufficient account of human equality by modern standards. But it does contain the seeds of ideas that later generations used to argue against slavery, even if those seeds should have, from our perspective, been a fully grown tree much earlier.
@SinlessOnslaught To covet means to have a strong desire for something, especially something that belongs to someone else, often with an envious feeling. It implies wishing for something earnestly or inordinately.
Miram · 31-35, F
We do not know.

That's the truth.

The rest is speculation, comfort and lot of personal desires entangled into the rationalizations.

It takes humbleness to recognize our limitations. Humbleness and growth.
@Miram Thank you for checking on me when you came back. And for your response.
Baybreeze · 41-45, F
My sister and I have this conversation often. I became agnostic years ago, after severe suffering for years. I thought, I've been faithful, kind, giving, patient, and all the while , every SINGLE day, bullied by my narcissistic mom. Ridiculed and mocked every day. It became a nightmare and I said, why would two innocent people, my sis and I, deserve this awful treatment for Years?? There is no answer in my mind. And I started really noticing things that didn't make sense with religion. And if God is all loving, OR all powerful, as many have noted in religious debates, does it make logical sense or emotional sense that humans suffer so MUCH all the time... when things could be altered for the better ? It really does NOT. :(
ArkBallet · 36-40, F
The very fact that we can perceive and insist on value, despite a chaotic world, points to something deeper that isn’t obvious on the surface. If anything, the tension you’re feeling, the gap between “this is how things are” and “this is how things should be”, is exactly where a lot of people SHOULD start asking questions about God, not where they end them.
NeuroticByNature · 41-45, F
I wish I could hug your soul. I understand what you mean. We were told someone would save us. But we can only save ourselves or the guy next to us.
Lostpoet · M
How can we be conscience without a creator? Like you said the Universe is Chaotic so why so much complexity in us. None of this is by chance.
GovanDUNNY · M
Only answer to that is, read the "story " and be a Christian by nature .Goodness is built into you
@GovanDUNNY The heart is deceitful (Jeremiah 17:9). A Christian is a disciple of Christ.
GovanDUNNY · M
@BritishFailedAesthetic I clearly said Christian by nature
@GovanDUNNY No such thing. We cannot earn our way to heaven by works, etc.
I don't see anything here that contradicts the existence of The Creator. You had a bunch of thoughts and somehow think your thoughts should dictate whether The Creator exists or doesn't exist.

His existence doesn't have anything to do with you. It's the other way around.
@ArkBallet A "flawed culture?" Isn't that ethnocentrism?
ArkBallet · 36-40, F
@FrogManSometimesLooksBothWays From a biblical perspective, the idea is that all human cultures are affected by sin, not just ancient ones. So calling that culture flawed isn’t elevating ours above it, it’s saying no culture fully reflects the ideal. The point is that the Bible is interacting with real people in a specific time and place, not presenting any human society as perfect or final.
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