If god created the universe but no Heaven and Hell
Would you have any reason to keep worshiping him ?
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@DocSavage
Do you even know what one is?
Do you even know what one is?
I don't even get the idea of worship. That is literally an ancient idea. Like why would I beg, praise and lay face down on the floor to appease another person or being's fragile ego.
We did that with Hitler before WWII with idea of appeasement. The problem with appeasing an entity is that any entity that demands it is too unstable for them to actually be satisfied with it. Which explains why the Abrahamic God genocides everything even when all rules are followed.
But the ancient idea of appeasement/worship would make sense when you anthropomorphize natural forces. You literally worshiped entities because you were afraid of it killing you. So you tried to appeal to a non existent ego like you would a narcissistic human.
The idea that a person would worship out of love or respect therefore makes no sense. If you love or respect something/someone that much you will have enough respect to NOT replace your own personality with the personality of it.
So no, even if God existed there wouldn't be a need to worship unless it was evil. And even then it would only be worshiped because it was forced. If God existed and he was good he wouldn't require worship (not even mentioning all other logical problems with that idea). Worship from love/respect is pointless.
We did that with Hitler before WWII with idea of appeasement. The problem with appeasing an entity is that any entity that demands it is too unstable for them to actually be satisfied with it. Which explains why the Abrahamic God genocides everything even when all rules are followed.
But the ancient idea of appeasement/worship would make sense when you anthropomorphize natural forces. You literally worshiped entities because you were afraid of it killing you. So you tried to appeal to a non existent ego like you would a narcissistic human.
The idea that a person would worship out of love or respect therefore makes no sense. If you love or respect something/someone that much you will have enough respect to NOT replace your own personality with the personality of it.
So no, even if God existed there wouldn't be a need to worship unless it was evil. And even then it would only be worshiped because it was forced. If God existed and he was good he wouldn't require worship (not even mentioning all other logical problems with that idea). Worship from love/respect is pointless.
newjaninev2 · 56-60, F
@DocSavage [quote]If you’re not going to answer the question[/quote]
No, he’s never going to answer your question, or any other question. It’s Godspeed’s other identity, and it’s just as pathetic. I’ve given this muppet lesson after lesson and he just gets all snarky, pees his panties, and then runs away. You’ll notice that he [i][b]never[/b][/i] gives a direct and detailed answer.
No, he’s never going to answer your question, or any other question. It’s Godspeed’s other identity, and it’s just as pathetic. I’ve given this muppet lesson after lesson and he just gets all snarky, pees his panties, and then runs away. You’ll notice that he [i][b]never[/b][/i] gives a direct and detailed answer.
@newjaninev2
You are an arrogant twit.
Be nice and run along with the other yards that pretend what they know.
I am sure you didn’t take my advice and learn about what data Gaia presented because you are that push button. Please cut the pretense.
You are an arrogant twit.
Be nice and run along with the other yards that pretend what they know.
I am sure you didn’t take my advice and learn about what data Gaia presented because you are that push button. Please cut the pretense.
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Sharon · F
@Zonuss 1) No such book as "Revelations". I'm surprised someone who knows the bible as well as you claim to doesn't know that. I guess you mean "Revelation" but 21:8 refers to a lafe of fire as "the second death". It doesn't suggest it's the classical Hell, a place of eternal torment.
Matthew 13:50 appears to contradict Revelation 21:8. It refers to "a furnace of fire" where "there shall be wailing and gnashing of teeth." Admittedly that sounds a bit more like the classical Hell but doesn't call it Hell and omits the "fire and brimstone".
Now, having highlighted it, how do you resolve the contradiction?
Matthew 13:50 appears to contradict Revelation 21:8. It refers to "a furnace of fire" where "there shall be wailing and gnashing of teeth." Admittedly that sounds a bit more like the classical Hell but doesn't call it Hell and omits the "fire and brimstone".
Now, having highlighted it, how do you resolve the contradiction?
QuixoticSoul · 41-45, M
GodSpeed63 · 61-69, M
@QuixoticSoul [quote]till haven’t shown your proof for why Odin doesn’t live[/quote]
When you give evidence and facts that support your claim, QuixoticSoul, then, and only then, will you have evidence and facts that support what I know to be the truth.
When you give evidence and facts that support your claim, QuixoticSoul, then, and only then, will you have evidence and facts that support what I know to be the truth.
DocSavage · M
@Zonuss
Yeah there is. Take the great flood , for example. Completely impossible by any realistic means. Simply could not happen. I suppose you’ll go with the New Testament, and say the old one doesn’t count anymore. But none are any proof of the supernatural. Just legends that can’t be taken at face value.
Yeah there is. Take the great flood , for example. Completely impossible by any realistic means. Simply could not happen. I suppose you’ll go with the New Testament, and say the old one doesn’t count anymore. But none are any proof of the supernatural. Just legends that can’t be taken at face value.
DocSavage · M
@Zonuss
Another point. Why is it considered closed minded to ignore claims of the supernatural?
Most people, don’t seriously believe in pixies, vampires, werewolves, trolls, dragons, or Red Caps. You dismiss these things as fantasy, but make an exception for a magical being which is far more impossible than all the rest combined. That’s biased. Something such as gods should be the least believable
Another point. Why is it considered closed minded to ignore claims of the supernatural?
Most people, don’t seriously believe in pixies, vampires, werewolves, trolls, dragons, or Red Caps. You dismiss these things as fantasy, but make an exception for a magical being which is far more impossible than all the rest combined. That’s biased. Something such as gods should be the least believable
octoberthesixth · 26-30, F
GodSpeed63 · 61-69, M
@newjaninev2
And this troll doesn’t realize the CMBR observations are terribly outdated and not used by scientists. Put that in your pipe and smoke it.
And this troll doesn’t realize the CMBR observations are terribly outdated and not used by scientists. Put that in your pipe and smoke it.
newjaninev2 · 56-60, F
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@DocSavage I believe your question was about still following even without heaven and hell.
I've always felt a lot of our hell is here and now...
Still stands...even without the two...people would still follow what makes them better people... it's about what brings out the best in people...
Not all will agree, but what's new?
I've always felt a lot of our hell is here and now...
Still stands...even without the two...people would still follow what makes them better people... it's about what brings out the best in people...
Not all will agree, but what's new?
PhoenixPhail · M
I don't think life would exist without heaven and hell. What would be the point?
GodSpeed63 · 61-69, M
@newjaninev2 [quote]and this part of the same quote[/quote]
Just saying, you got that part right, Newjaninev. The other part, you still need to work on.
Just saying, you got that part right, Newjaninev. The other part, you still need to work on.
newjaninev2 · 56-60, F
@GodSpeed63 So the part you feel I ‘got right’ is the part of creationism’s design claims for which there is absolutely no support? 😂
Zonuss · 41-45, M
@newjaninev2 You cannot create something that is of nature with the Divine. Nature has a nucleus. It is not man.
PrivateHell · M
To be honest, i personally don't worship God out of any fear of hell or hope for heaven. I also do not follow the Bible 100%.
I worship Him because i was on a path of self destruction and addiction few could truly understand, and at my lowest point He saved me, and removed all doubt that He is real from me.
I am far from perfect, and seriously doubt i will make it to heaven. But i am infinitely better than i used to be because of Him. So, if i don't make it to heaven, i respect that.
I worship Him because i was on a path of self destruction and addiction few could truly understand, and at my lowest point He saved me, and removed all doubt that He is real from me.
I am far from perfect, and seriously doubt i will make it to heaven. But i am infinitely better than i used to be because of Him. So, if i don't make it to heaven, i respect that.
JimboSaturn · 51-55, M
DocSavage · M
@JimboSaturn
Neither do I. I posted the question after another post argued as to whether or not god created heaven and the universe. Wanted to see how important he would be, if created the universe, and life developed without any involvement. Creation, but no perks or rewards.
Neither do I. I posted the question after another post argued as to whether or not god created heaven and the universe. Wanted to see how important he would be, if created the universe, and life developed without any involvement. Creation, but no perks or rewards.
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GodSpeed63 · 61-69, M
God did create the universe and everything in it. Heaven is paradise where Jesus is, hell was never meant for man but for the devil and his demons.
Adstar · 56-60, M
Yes because He is perfect in all things and i am not..
Yeah
caesar7 · 61-69, M
Hell is here. Planet Earth.