In the debate about whether or no god exists, is the burden of proof on the theist to prove he does or the atheist to prove he doesn't? [Spirituality & Religion]

@sludgefeast2:
From Bhagavat Gita, the holy book of Hindus where the Supreme Lord Krishna says the stuffs himself
Chapter 10, text 7
"One who is factually convinced of opulence and mystic power of mine engages in unalloyed devotional service, of which there is no doubt."
Notice the word factually which would tell you that they are talking about reality.
Chapter 9, Text 12
"Those who are bewildered are attracted by demonistic and atheistic views. In that deluded condition their hopes for liberation, their fruitive activities and their culture of knowledge are all defeated."
This says that atheism is delusional which is also proving the fact that people who believe in religion also believe that it is a fact and everything else is not.

From the Holy Bible, the holy book of Christians.
Hebrews 2:10
In bringing many sons and daughters to glory,
it was fitting that God, for whom and through
whom everything exists, should make the pioneer
of their salvation perfect through what he
suffered.

It says affirmatively that everything exists because of God which must exist right? It's hard to point one quote in the Holy Bible because it does not even consider the possibility of God not existing. It starts with God himself.


From the Holy Quran, the holy book of Muslims
Al Baqarah
3
This is a perfect book; there is no doubt in it; this is the guidance for the righteous
7
Those who have disbelieved(in God) it being equal that thou warn them or warn them not they will not believe.
8
Allah has set a seal on their hearts and their ears, and over their eyes is a covering and for them is a great punishment.
10
They think they would deceive Allah and those who believe, but they deceive none but themselves. Only they perceive it not.
19
They are deaf, dumb and blind. So they will not return.

These speak for themselves. That God is the truth and atheists can't "see" it.

These are the reasons why the dude who said it is faith based has said something true but completely useless. These are the reasons why the burden of truth probably falls with the atheists (just maybe). But you get my point.

wow. religious people are all crazy then.

@sludgefeast2: I know right? Its acceptable if someone believes in God but funny if someone believes in a religion but then its harder to convince them the other way than it is to convert atheists into theists.

@lockedupforgood: The problem is some theists want to teach their religion as the factual truth. I don't care what other people believe, but I do care when they start to try to make others believe it or to live according to their god's laws.

@BlondOne89: It is less about God and more about religions. Scrap them rules (for e.g. preaching) and it won't matter whether someone is a theist or not.
It is human nature to convince other people into believing what you believe.

@MetalGreymon: No I brought it up to highlight that if you want scientific proof of God you're shit outta luck. But if you want other types of proof it's out there. Just gotta find a theist first lol

@Qwerty14:

It's hard to provide non-scientific proof. At least to mots of us. Because science is the best, most accurate way of knowing we have yet developed.
So when a theist says the evidence of god is in the soaring mountain peaks and beautiful sunsets....well we don't find that as compelling as they do lol

@MetalGreymon: lol I wish I knew those types of theists. I've never met someone who says a mountain of sunset proves God. The people I know are far too smart to say that type of nonsense. Sorry if I offend any sunset God believers

@Greenbare:

agreed

@Greenbare: I love the logic! Cant be disputed. Except by Faith. And thats whybthey use it!

@BlondOne89:

Agreed. Theists agree too when you make this point about something that is not god

@FreeSpirit1:

Very much so

@wellbecomeghosts:

Whether or not the assertion can be proven is only tangentially related to who bears the burden of proof

@MetalGreymon: thx, i clarify my point that, yes, burden of proof (to the extent someone is interested in proving the point to someone) is on the person intending to prove something to be true. My point is simply that when it comes to this particular issue, no one can prove any of the views that you may wish to prove.

@wellbecomeghosts:

yup

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@Aphrodeity:

How do you mean?

@MetalGreymon: Devout Catholic Family. Hardcore Catholic school from infinity and beyond 'til I reached college. I was so resentful of the rigidity and hypocrisy that Dan Brown's books led me to believe, it's all about science. EVERYTHING can be explained through science and the rest is influenced by personal gain. Then I entered adult life and with each passing crisis and unexplainable moments, I just can't seem to shake the feeling that there IS a force mightier than us. In the end, I reconciled by believing in spirituality.,

@Aphrodeity:

Well i can understand that. People are by nature driven to seek an explanation for the things that happen to us. If we fail to see mundane explanation then we might well turn to a supernatural one.
But i'm not sure how that shifts the burden of proof from the party claiming that the supernatural exists onto the atheists and requiring them to prove that it doesn't

@FunReader55:

That's true. So maybe theists should stop claiming it is fact

@MetalGreymon: ZING !

@MetalGreymon: maybe but nobody can prove its not a fact either! And thats the game!