In the debate about whether or no god exists, is the burden of proof on the theist to prove he does or the atheist to prove he doesn't? [Spirituality & Religion]

And please, none of this hippy, huggy feel-good bullshit about "neither side has to prove it! just let people believe what they want!"

It's a debate. We're not handing out participation ribbons.

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Qwerty14

Scientifically speaking you need to prove if something is fact. If your hypothesis ends in a positive result then it is true, if it ends in a negative result it's false. But how can you scientifically test if a God like the Abrahamic one exists? You can't. So either you change your scientific philosophy or accept that the current philosophy can't prove an existence of God.

Hope that makes sense. Personally I don't see a point in proving God exists. The teachings are still the same either way.

MetalGreymon · 36-40, M

@Qwerty14:

Well that's just it. You can't prove that god exists. So theists should accept that they have a burden of proof that the can't support and stop pretending that god's existence is a fact

Qwerty14

Scientifically speaking that is the case. But science is using just one philosophy (the modern scientific method). Not everything that people consider fact is bound by this philosophy. Religion is another type of philosophy people derive facts from, and religiously speaking people might say God is 100% fact

MetalGreymon · 36-40, M

@Qwerty14:

yeah...but the philosophy of science is a hell of a lot more reliable when it comes to accurately describing and predicting the world in which we live

Qwerty14

@MetalGreymon: Your initial question never implied scientific accuracy. See God is a religious thing and Religion and Science are two different subjects. It's like English and Maths. You can't prove one with the other. Trying to prove God with science is like trying to prove 2+2=4 with poetry.

MetalGreymon · 36-40, M

@Qwerty14:

Well i'm not the one who brought up science.

Qwerty14

@MetalGreymon: No I brought it up to highlight that if you want scientific proof of God you're shit outta luck. But if you want other types of proof it's out there. Just gotta find a theist first lol

MetalGreymon · 36-40, M

@Qwerty14:

It's hard to provide non-scientific proof. At least to mots of us. Because science is the best, most accurate way of knowing we have yet developed.
So when a theist says the evidence of god is in the soaring mountain peaks and beautiful sunsets....well we don't find that as compelling as they do lol

Qwerty14

@MetalGreymon: lol I wish I knew those types of theists. I've never met someone who says a mountain of sunset proves God. The people I know are far too smart to say that type of nonsense. Sorry if I offend any sunset God believers