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Why do theists describe the atheist position as "nothing happened to nothing and created everything" as if nothing should be the default position? [Spirituality & Religion]

What makes you assume that nothing is the default state which something must replace? Sure, the bible tells you that in the beginning there was nothing. But what does a bible passage have to do with what atheists believe?

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Carla1951 · 70-79, F

Excellent question. I didn't see THAT one coming.
We KNOW GOD. That is a huge thing for the many to imagine. So, WE the human creations were given life. We were provided with food from the earth and the trees for shelter.
There was merely Gods creation. He commanded them to spread the earth and be fruitful (to multiply)
There were NO Atheist at this time. The Almighty created perfection.
Those as a non believer need not worry. Your time will come. The biblical direction was for followers of the Creator. Simple as that!

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MetalGreymon · 36-40, M

@Carla1951:

....I don't know where the confusion is coming from.
The stated subject of this thread is questioning the erroneous theist description of the atheist position. so atheism has a lot to do with this lol.

It must be very nice for you to believe you will live on in heaven, but did you have anything to say on the subject at hand?

Carla1951 · 70-79, F

That I believe in Creation. And that involves the one who created the Earth and the stars and all the others beyond.
I won't take your time to preach. I merely know what THE BOOK states.
Basically it gives us RULES to live by. As any loving parent would have us know.

MetalGreymon · 36-40, M

@Carla1951:

Woof. Let's not get into the loving parent characterization of god. He falls rather short there.

SW-User

Holy repeat question! I think it badly needs rewording, tbh!

[c=#7700B2]It has something to do with this book by Canadian scientist and atheist Lawrence M. Krauss: A Universe from Nothing: Why There Is Something Rather Than Nothing (2012).[/c]

He got a lot of flack over the title from Christian and Muslim scholars who wanted to claim an atheist supported their position.

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MetalGreymon · 36-40, M

@Carla1951:

Well i'm not sure which words i'm meant to have spelled wrong, but i'm even more unsure of what spelling has to do with the subject.
Do elaborate...

SW-User

@MetalGreymon: I'd go for a factual story instead of a question. Mention that atheists really don't believe something came from nothing.

MetalGreymon · 36-40, M

@Peekaboo:

This is a question board. So i asked a question.
But clearly the point was conveyed. So why quibble over wording?

FunKingPizzaShip · M

In order for there to be a "something" there has to be a "nothing" to contrast it to.

MetalGreymon · 36-40, M

@Ax17x7:

Says who? Has anyone ever observed nothing? What evidence do you have that nothing is even possible?

You've backed up the assertion that nothing must be the default state by repeating that nothing must be there before something

FunKingPizzaShip · M

I never indicated if one state precludes the other.

I am merely dissecting the ideas. The concept of something suggests there is also a concept of nothing, in juxtaposition.

MetalGreymon · 36-40, M

@Ax17x7:

It may suggest given our limited ability to conceptualize the universe but there is no reason to assume that it is factual.

Jackaloftheazuresand · 26-30, M

Because people are different

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Jackaloftheazuresand · 26-30, M

If a square is a rectangle then who decided circles were shapes

MetalGreymon · 36-40, M

@Jackaloftheazuresand:

Sorry, but you have nothing of value to say and so there is nothing further i have to say to you.
Good day

Jackaloftheazuresand · 26-30, M

Nobody has anything of value to say

Carla1951 · 70-79, F

There is nothing in the bible that refers to Atheist's.
Either one believes in what The Bible says, or they don't. The choice is yours. We have always had the Choice.
It does speak of NON-Believers. Even they have free will to make their own choice.

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Carla1951 · 70-79, F

@MetalGreymon: Simply for the mere fact they *Atheist* can argue much easier than accept Truth.

MetalGreymon · 36-40, M

@Carla1951:

So... your answer to why theists characterize atheists as believing that something came from nothing is that atheists "can argue much easier than accept Truth."

I'm sorry, but it seems a lot more like you're preaching than you are actually responding to my questions.

Please try to answer the question directly

puck61

@Carla1951: Pardon my pedantic nature, but Atheists 'are' mentioned in the bible.

Psalm 14:1

Goralski · 51-55, M

What if it always was

MetalGreymon · 36-40, M

@Goralski:

Exactly

Carla1951 · 70-79, F

Okay, Just checked my Calendar. This isn't Sunday.
Again, Atheist as a word, is not found in the bible. Next question? But it does speak of non believers quite often. And with this.. I say Good night. My bed is calling me.

puck61

Fundamentalists of middle eastern religion refuse to accept the creation story as poetic allegory, and that is the cause of the schism between Abrahamic religions and science.

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