God, save these people. They matter to You and they matter to me and all your children on here.
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Truth hurts in fallen world but it can also heal. None of us here can change what God has already established as the truth anymore than we can change history, whether we believe in Him or not. I say this out of love, you guys are fighting a losing battle on here. My family and I are here to present the Truth of God to you to let you know that you don't have to believe man's misinformation on evolution or science for that matter. Evolution is misinformation which is why there is no evidence for it. God wants you to know the Truth, He loves you that much.
None of us here can change what God has already established as the truth. Exactly. I love what you said there. Who are we to be so arrogant as to think we have the authority to change God's truths and laws to our satisfaction? God did not give us the authority to change his laws. That's pure arrogance on man's part.
Man's misinformation, is right! This is what happens when people assume things about God yet have never picked up their Bible and read it nor studied it.
It reminds me of when people assume that God created evil. Evil is not in God's character. He did not create evil in Lucifer, later named Satan. The Bible says that evil was Satan's choice, not God's. It says that evil was found in Lucifer's heart! Meaning that Lucifer made up his own mind to sin against God and try to take over his kingdom. Lucifer made the choice to sin. What we call free will and Lucifer decided he wanted to be God and be worshiped, so he started a war in heaven. We can transfer that choice of sin to this generation today. God doesn't causes people to sin. They sin by choice, and for their own choices, they cannot blame God. Sin is our responsibility. We have free will. And if we sin, we cannot say that it was God that caused it. That would be like me going out and robbing the bank and then blaming you. Utterly preposterous! As a creation with free will, we are responsible for our own individual choices. And the Bible says that sin always brings consequences. Period! Jesus did not come to condemn the world, but to save it from the condemnation that sin placed on us. John 3:16 and 17
I'd like to hear the Christian viewpoint on the current tragedy in Texas, @DanielsASJ, if you're willing. A Christian girls' camp in Texas, founded in 1926. Seemed like a safe place to send your daughter, right? I'm not sure of the current numbers, maybe 15 children confirmed dead; 11 still missing. On whom do we blame these deaths if not God??
@GerOttman So praying for relief from cancer or any such thing is a waste of time??
I addressed the question to @DanielsASJ because he's been telling me that bad things happen to people because, in their freedom, they make bad choices. I started out with the example of brain cancer afflicting children, and @DanielsASJ was blaming those cancers on chemicals in the environment, genetically modified food, etc. In his view, the bad stuff is all mankind's fault. Hence my question to him.
Oh, we do. But the fact of the matter is, once you introduce an all-powerful, allegedly 100% good being who could have prevented the crimes, he then becomes responsible.
If that were true, then God would be a dictator and not a 100% all powerful being. If you guys want to live in perfect world without the dung heap, then get saved.
@ElwoodBlues While I do not specifically pray I do meditate occasionally. They are related practices and can indeed offer measurable positive physical effects. Curing cancer may be a bit over optimistic...
Floods, plagues, wars, accidents have taken young and old without apparent pity for as long as there has been. Quite a lot of those things have been mans own doing one way or another.
My beliefs are mine, yours are yours, his are his. I have no god to blame or praise, I just accept the gift of a new day. However they do it, I hope those families find peace!
There may be exceptions, but in general I think atheists and believers are just using different words to express their understanding. We are all in the same wondrous and troubling world.
God flooded the earth twice, killing everyone but Noah and family, and some animals. He set one person on fire. With those kinds of powers, one would think he would have stepped in and stopped some of the horror events that took place in history....but he didn't. I guess he retired after Jesus came, and sat back as a spectator to the terrible events that took place and continue to happen today.
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In the Bible, God is attributed with causing the deaths of an estimated 2,559,449 people based on specific numbers provided in the text, according to some interpretations of the Bible. This figure primarily comes from the Old Testament, and does not include deaths where the Bible doesn't provide a specific number, such as during the Flood or the destruction of Sodom and Gomorrah.
Here's a breakdown.
Specific Numbers: Many deaths are attributed to God's direct action or command, and these are often in the Old Testament, particularly during events like the plagues in Egypt, the destruction of Sodom and Gomorrah, and various other incidents.
Flood: The Great Flood in Genesis is a major event where God is said to have destroyed almost all of humanity and animal life (except those on the ark). While no specific number is given, some estimate it to be around 20-100 million.
Old Testament vs. New Testament: The vast majority of deaths attributed to God are in the Old Testament. There are relatively few instances in the New Testament where God is depicted as directly causing death.
Satan's Kill Count: It's worth noting that Satan is also depicted as taking lives in the Bible, but the number is significantly smaller. One estimate places Satan's kill count at around 10.
@GodSpeed63 Some agree, while others do not...but:
The following additional Scriptures complete the devastation which accompanied the first flood. (2Pet. 3:5,6) "5 For this they willingly are ignorant of, that by the word of God the heavens were of old, and the earth standing out of the water and in the water:6 Whereby the world that then was, being overflowed with water, perished:" The following passages inJob, Psalms, and Genesis completes the description of water, thick darkness (as in a swaddlingband), and more great shaking of the earth.None of these refer to Noah's flood.
1.(Job 9:5‐7)"5 Which removeth the mountains, and they know not: which overturneth them in his anger.6 Which shaketh the earth out of her place, and the pillars thereof tremble. 7Which commandeth the sun, and it riseth not; and sealeth up the stars." Note:Shaking the earth out of her place might refer to tilting the earth's axis. The sun not rising and the stars not visible completes a setting of darkness.
2.(Job 38:8‐11)"8 Or who shut up the sea with doors, when it brake forth, as if it had issued out of the womb?9When I made the cloud the garment thereof, and thick darkness a swaddlingband for it,10 And brake up for it my decreed place, and set bars and doors,11And said, Hitherto shalt thou come, but no further: and here shall thy proud waves be stayed?”
3.(Ps. 104:6) "Thou coveredst it with the deep as with a garment: the waters stood above the mountains." These versesdescribe a total flood which we also see in Gen. 1:2 below: (Gen. 1:2) "And the earth was without form, and void; and darkness was upon the face of the deep. And the Spirit of God moved upon the face of the waters."
You choose to exclude science from god's plan? Truly it is you that denies the truth. If God does exist the system created would be self perpetuating? Sure. And if science exists it IS self balancing and requires study examinination trial and error and repeatition. Science is the study of reality. Choosing to ignore the reality and attribute its wonder to GOD without seeking to understand reality. Is pissing on the creation we are a part of. Therefore if your supreme creator father figure does or doesnt exist. Humanity's appreciation of existence requires the study of that which was created. Science is the study of our existence surroundings and circumstance (cause and effect). Was it created? What does it matter? It IS so learn about it. . . Attributing existence as a unknowable variable is lazy. If god does exist it is also disrespectful to take our "divine existence" so for granted that we dont marvel while trying to understand. Would you rather be ignorant? And follow hearsay letters about gods zombie son and his "teachings\lessons". Mostly unremarkable overly translated (obviously inaccurate) and clearly plagarized from the old testament of King David. . . Jesus was Jewish. Get over it! And that story was plagarized, and probably embellished upon, from the teachings of Zarathustra from Persia in roughly 27000bce. Trace it back further to the emperor of japan? Idk, thats as far back as the record goes. I choose to believe in science. It is our best effort to understand existence.
One of the main causes of infant death was birth complications. Somehow the system of delivering babies was killing lots of them. Who should be blame for the birth delivery system??
Blame game theory? seriously? You yourself answered it. system of delivering babies
Why do they go to church?? God throughout the Bible asks people to worship in his house among fellow believers. He just neglects to mention what a fine method it is to spread infectious diseases
If you are a shy type introvert typing from your laptop in the dark whole day long, it does not mean everyone has to be the same way. People go out, gather, have the assembly of like minded people. It makes them exchange thoughts, ideas and yet be in line with the noble ideas. Those ideas get to one, two, four, sixteen and thirty two guys.
Endless booby traps of which the people were completely ignorant. How is that NOT God's responsibility??
you kind of sound like a son whose parents give him a car as birthday present and you being careless, go on and drive your car in between bushes and thorns and nearby garages with sharpened objects. Now Your car tyres are flat on the very first day and guess the best and most predictable scenario- now you are crying it's your parents fault that they even gave you that car.
you kind of sound like a son whose parents give him a car as birthday present and you being careless, go on and drive your car in between bushes and thorns and nearby garages with sharpened objects. Now Your car tyres are flat on the very first day and guess the best and most predictable scenario- now you are crying it's your parents fault that they even gave you that car.
Wow. You know, I've seen crappier comparisons, but I can't remember when. Once again, you are blaming humans for the way diseases spread. Didn't your God create them?
You yourself answered it. system of delivering babies
DUUUDE!!! Are you gonna pretend humans invented the 9 months of gestation and the birth canal???
It makes them exchange thoughts, ideas and ...
and, unbeknownst to them, infectious diseases!!!
Wow, 30% of newborns died BEFORE THE AGE OF FIVE!!! THIRTY PERCENT!!! Children were downright expendable back in those Christian times!! It wasn't until modern science stepped in that innocent children stopped dying by the millions and millions.
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Your belief requires you to abandon reason. Mine does not.
If god want everyone to know the truth, why does he use people like you to spread the word ? You would figure god would realize that people would stop being afraid of Hell at some point, and say out loud “ this is just plain stupid” Then what does he do ? He sends us people like you to not to spread lies. But to demonstrate. Ignorance and spread lies. Is god really so obnoxious and contemptuous of us ?
That wasn't a question that stumped me. In spite of what you have been taught by your overlords, that's not a clever question at all. It's a fake "gotcha" question that relies on people who never graduated grade school not understanding advanced biology. Because basic biology tells us to look at the external seхuaӏ characteristics to determine whether someone is a man or a woman. And going by biological seх alone seems like common sense to people who have never experienced dysphoria.
But the fact is, when you ask your little "gotcha" question, patting yourself on the back for being oh so clever, what you're telling me is that advanced biology, the difference between seх and gender, is beyond your feeble mind to grasp.
only because Satan knows he can make more money from a franchise. “Halloween “Friday the 13th”” “Nightmare on Elm Street” “Terrifier” Way more popular than “God’s not Dead”
