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Birds Of A Feather Flock Together, Dinosaurs Excluded!

When it comes to reading recent articles on dinosaur studies, some mental gymnastics are involved to try to discover whether the author is writing about actual dinosaur fossils or just bird fossils. After all, evolutionists believe that birds are dinosaurs (as biblical creationists, we reject that assertion), so it can get confusing! So what should we make of a headline like this: “Dinosaur feathers may have been more birdlike than previously thought”?

Fossilized feathers look like feathers, research suggests.

Or maybe:

Fossilization may have altered feathers, research suggests.

But I suppose neither of those titles is as attention-grabbing as starting off with “dinosaur feathers.” But the original title is misleading. The researchers didn’t study fossilized dinosaur feathers and compare them with fossilized bird feathers—they compared fossilized bird feathers and fossilized bird feathers. In other words, they studied feathers!

You see, most of the so-called “feathered dinosaurs” were actually just . . . birds! And that likely includes Sinornithosaurus, the “feathered dinosaur” used in this study. Now, here’s a little background before we look at the popular summary of the study. A 2019 analysis of fossil feathers (supposedly from dinosaurs) found that

feathers from a flightless dinosaur mostly contained a different, more flexible form of the keratin protein that makes up modern bird beaks, scales and feathers. Researchers suggested then that feathers had evolved molecularly over time to become stiffer as birds — the last living dinosaurs — took to the skies.

Starting with God’s Word, we know that feathers didn’t evolve over time. They were created by God on day five of creation week when he created the various bird kinds. But evolutionists have to believe that feathers evolved, and this initial study seemed to suggest that some “dinosaur feathers” supposedly had a different molecular makeup than the feathers of birds.

But a new study attempted to mimic the fossilization process in the lab, and this team discovered that “fossilization can change feather proteins” making them appear to have a different molecular makeup when, in fact, these so-called “dinosaur feathers” were composed of the same keratin proteins as (other) bird feathers. This, of course, “raise[s] new questions about feather evolution.”

The researchers next examined a roughly 50-million-year-old bird feather and a 125-million-year-old feather from the nonavian dinosaur Sinornithosaurus. To their surprise, the bird feather seemed to consist mainly of alpha-keratins. Since it should have been rich in the beta variety, the team suspects that the proteins transformed during fossilization. The dinosaur feather, by contrast, contained mainly beta-keratins, suggesting it wasn’t exposed to enough heat to morph its proteins.

The simplest interpretation is that the distorting effects of fossilization led previous researchers astray in thinking dinosaur and bird feathers were so different molecularly.

While other researchers disagree with the conclusions of this study, I’m not surprised that feathers in the fossil record appear like feathers today! After all, these feathers didn’t evolve, and the creatures who wore them weren’t buried millions of years ago—they were buried during the global flood of Noah’s day just a few thousand years ago.

by Ken Ham on November 2, 2023
Answers in Genesis
Carazaa · F
Exactly There are Satanic forces distracting people away from God's word! This is the exact account of God's creation His own words below. God created fish and birds the 5th day ( 24 hrs), then he created mammals and reptiles and man the sixth day (in one evening, morning) And WHO is the creator? In John 1 God says The word was with God, and the word was God, all things were created by him, and nothing were created that was not created by him. And the word became flesh, and dwelt among us! [b]Jesus created everything!
Jesus said [b][c=BF0000]"Before Abraham, I AM"[/c][/b][/b]

[b]The Beginning[/b]
[b]Genesis 1- The Holy Bible[/b]
"1 In the beginning God created the heavens and the earth. 2 Now the earth was formless and empty, darkness was over the surface of the deep, and the Spirit of God was hovering over the waters.

3 And God said, “Let there be light,” and there was light. 4 God saw that the light was good, and he separated the light from the darkness. 5 God called the light “day,” and the darkness he called “night.” And there was evening, and there was morning—the first day.

6 And God said, “Let there be a vault between the waters to separate water from water.” 7 So God made the vault and separated the water under the vault from the water above it. And it was so. 8 God called the vault “sky.” And there was evening, and there was morning—the second day.

9 And God said, “Let the water under the sky be gathered to one place, and let dry ground appear.” And it was so. 10 God called the dry ground “land,” and the gathered waters he called “seas.” And God saw that it was good.

11 Then God said, “Let the land produce vegetation: seed-bearing plants and trees on the land that bear fruit with seed in it, according to their various kinds.” And it was so. 12 The land produced vegetation: plants bearing seed according to their kinds and trees bearing fruit with seed in it according to their kinds. And God saw that it was good. 13 And there was evening, and there was morning—the third day.

14 And God said, “Let there be lights in the vault of the sky to separate the day from the night, and let them serve as signs to mark sacred times, and days and years, 15 and let them be lights in the vault of the sky to give light on the earth.” And it was so. 16 God made two great lights—the greater light to govern the day and the lesser light to govern the night. He also made the stars. 17 God set them in the vault of the sky to give light on the earth, 18 to govern the day and the night, and to separate light from darkness. And God saw that it was good. 19 And there was evening, and there was morning—the fourth day.

[b][big]20 And God said, “Let the water teem with living creatures, and let birds fly above the earth across the vault of the sky.” 21 So God created the great creatures of the sea and every living thing with which the water teems and that moves about in it, according to their kinds, and every winged bird according to its kind. And God saw that it was good. 22 God blessed them and said, “Be fruitful and increase in number and fill the water in the seas, and let the birds increase on the earth.” 23 And there was evening, and there was morning—the fifth day.[/big][/b]

24 And God said, “Let the land produce living creatures according to their kinds: the livestock, the creatures that move along the ground, and the wild animals, each according to its kind.” And it was so. 25 God made the wild animals according to their kinds, the livestock according to their kinds, and all the creatures that move along the ground according to their kinds. And God saw that it was good.

26 Then God said, “Let us make mankind in our image, in our likeness, so that they may rule over the fish in the sea and the birds in the sky, over the livestock and all the wild animals,[a] and over all the creatures that move along the ground.”

27 So God created mankind in his own image,
in the image of God he created them;
male and female he created them.

28 God blessed them and said to them, “Be fruitful and increase in number; fill the earth and subdue it. Rule over the fish in the sea and the birds in the sky and over every living creature that moves on the ground.”

29 Then God said, “I give you every seed-bearing plant on the face of the whole earth and every tree that has fruit with seed in it. They will be yours for food. 30 And to all the beasts of the earth and all the birds in the sky and all the creatures that move along the ground—everything that has the breath of life in it—I give every green plant for food.” And it was so.

31 God saw all that he had made, and it was very good. And there was evening, and there was morning—the sixth day."
Peaceandnamaste · 26-30, F
@Diotrephes Being born here is a curse and a mistake from nature, I hate my Alabama, Mississippi and southern heritage, every time I look in the mirror I see my high cheekbones which makes me look like a mountain person hillbilly. I wish I was never born, I wish I was dead, guess you're right i'm unworthy to be dead.
Diotrephes · 70-79, M
@Peaceandnamaste [quote]Being born here is a curse and a mistake from nature, I hate my Alabama, Mississippi and southern heritage, every time I look in the mirror I see my high cheekbones which makes me look like a mountain person hillbilly. I wish I was never born, I wish I was dead, guess you're right i'm unworthy to be dead.[/quote]

We may not all be financially rich but we are rich indeed if we have good health and a nice body and mind and somone to love and who loves us. But even if you think you are short on some of those things, I am confident that you are far more fortunate than countless other people. So, love yourself and then you will be able to love others and let them love you. Be your own best friend and never work to harm yourself in any way. Other people will do that for you.
Carazaa · F
@Diotrephes🌲 I think God has a mission for us here on earth wherever we are born or wherever he sends us! 😉
JollyRoger · 70-79, M
Yes, Ken (or @godspeed63) The Bible does say that the world (as it was known to Noah) was destroyed by a flood. But, that doesn't say anything about God destroying the world outside of Noah's neighbourhood that Noah and his relatives didn't know about.

Also - one very important aspect of TIME when we are accounting for discrepancies between the Bible and geology and archeology (paleology in particular) is that our years are not God's years.
I.e., what may be eons to us may (or may not) be a day in God's eyes: Therefore when it was written that God created the world in 6 days and rested on the 7th.... we were not there to measure those days; and, as God created the light that we have in our world, he probably didn't work in the shadow of a turning earth as he was creating our world.
So - whether there are feathers on dinosaurs or whether dinosaurs were a 'first attempt' by God at populating the earth with animals.... let's just 'let it be' and perhaps when we're called to judgement on that day as foretold in the book of Revelations, we, if we are judged worthy of having a eternal soul in heaven, may get to ask that VERY IMPORTANT question.
Diotrephes · 70-79, M
@GodSpeed63 [quote]We do not tempt the Lord our God. Just so that you know: trying to justify your fairy tale will only end in your destruction like the proverb says.
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The Jesus character plainly said that if a person has faith that the person can do those things. So, if you claim to have faith, then you should be able to do those things and even more. Of course, since o oe has ever been able to do any of those things the conclusion must be that no one has ever had any faith or that the Jesus character was simply a liar.

According to the story, everyone will be tortured beyond belief and curse God with every curse known to man. And since all life will be destroyed and the Earth blown-up, what is there to fear by tempting "the Lord our God"? BTW, if you can tempt God doesn't that mean that you are just as powerful as he is since yu have what he wants but doesn't have?

[b][i][c=BF0000]From the river to the sea.[/c][/i][/b]
GodSpeed63 · 61-69, M
@Diotrephes [quote]The Jesus character plainly said that if a person has faith that the person can do those things. [/quote]

It seems to me that all you want to do is argue and care nothing for the truth. You're fighting a losing battle, come back when you want to win.
Diotrephes · 70-79, M
@GodSpeed63 [quote]It seems to me that all you want to do is argue and care nothing for the truth. You're fighting a losing battle, come back when you want to win.
[/quote]

The truth is that you apparently don't know anything about the biblical fairytale. But that's what you get when you listen to conmen preachers and watch silly Hollywood religious movies.

[b][i][c=BF0000]From the river to the sea. [/c][/i][/b]
Richard65 · M
Doesn't the Bible also state that Noah was 950 years old? 🤣
GodSpeed63 · 61-69, M
@Diotrephes [quote]Have you seen any zombies in your lifetime?[/quote]

Have you?

[quote]Have you seen a horse flying through the sky flapping its own wings?[/quote]

Have you?

[quote]Do you think the stars will fall to the Earth?[/quote]

What does God's word say about it?

[quote]Do you think you can drink a glass of poison and it won't kill you?[/quote]

I'm certain of it unless I tempt the Lord my God.

[quote]Have many critically sick people have you and your church buddies annointed with oil and prayed over have you cured?[/quote]

Yes. Where have you been?

[quote] Your favorite God character was always around flapping his jaws to people thousands of years ago. Where is his ass today?[/quote]

Still working His miracles.

[quote]It seems like you want to be one of the 2,800 slaves each Jew will get in the afterlife. Have fun.[/quote]

Where did you dig that up?
Diotrephes · 70-79, M
@GodSpeed63 You really love that ancient ethnocentric Middle Eastern Jewish religious fairytale that was copied from assorted other fairytales, don't you?

Since you and your buddies are are so good at curing critically sick people it might be a good idea to spend some time curing each other of your mental illnesses.
GodSpeed63 · 61-69, M
@Diotrephes [quote]ou really love that ancient ethnocentric Middle Eastern Jewish religious fairytale that was copied from assorted other fairytales, don't you? [/quote]

You haven't proven your claim to be the truth.

[quote]Since you and your buddies are are so good at curing critically sick people it might be a good idea to spend some time curing each other of your mental illnesses.[/quote]

What mental illnesses would those be?
That's a great article. I love the part "Starting with God’s Word, we know that feathers didn’t evolve over time. They were created by God on day five of creation week when he created the various bird kinds."

There are descriptions of creatures in the Bible that could be referring to dinosaurs. One example is the behemoth of Job 40:15-19. Even in fairly modern history, there are reports of creatures which seem to fit the description of dinosaurs.
chibs · 61-69, M
@LadyGrace Instead of either of those why don't you simply follow the [b]evidence[/b]?
@chibs God's Word [i]is[/i] the evidence. Why don't you have faith enough to believe in it and take God at His word? He is no liar. He is without sin.
chibs · 61-69, M
@LadyGrace and also completely without evidence
chibs · 61-69, M
[quote]Starting with God’s Word, we know that feathers didn’t evolve over time[/quote]

So the conclusion precedes and directs the argument? That shows a complete misunderstanding of the scientific method... standard avoidance tactic with creationists.

This copy-paste from a creationist website doesn't reference the study it relies on (I've provided a link here) and when examined we see that whoever wrote this sophistic pap was deliberately distorting, omitting inconvenient parts, and generally doing everything necessary to arrive at the conclusion from which it started.

https://www.nature.com/articles/s41559-023-02177-8.epdf?sharing_token=N52Bxv-Dj7Npy8pReH4jENRgN0jAjWel9jnR3ZoTv0O2jyk9Wvg-cXcFB4dFnzveedkQd6lhhWeFHoGifaSMRTwYoRJKaIBvjDRLoSyQZN-fO37-CyqkwQ1mrn-x7Y2BQgRr55xz8BaIRHh3EgG8LxrJgLajlvfud4UT97h0yqO4jEFi3GHTZlAphUYMfN_F0c9OKgEnoBcY2tmOGiAJvgsDz0ETs2yHOFpZRrcQ7pY%3D&tracking_referrer=www.sciencenews.org

In other words, some creationist cherry-picked, misled, and obfuscated.

What a surprise! 😂

GodSpeed63 · 61-69, M
Ceinwyn · 26-30, F
It was the shape of the dinosaurs pelvis and their bone structuring that likened them to birds. Not feathers.

Keep trying Ken.
Ceinwyn · 26-30, F
@GodSpeed63 You want me to prove that you can read the Bible without being Christian?

I did that when I was 15.
GodSpeed63 · 61-69, M
@Ceinwyn [quote]I did that when I was 15.[/quote]

You may have read His Word but you've never understood His message.
Ceinwyn · 26-30, F
@GodSpeed63 It’s bilge. Don’t need it.
TheOrionbeltseeker · 36-40, M
Perfect.

I don't think that human beings would have sat idle and wait for millions of years to come up with Electricity and science. Human brand is quite new when compared to what evolutionists claim. If evolutions are to be heard then, by now, the dip in the navel point would have gone and in the next 1000 years, we would deminish in size and shape. Our legs would dimish in length for we don't even use our legs that much, sitting on a computer system most of the time.
TheOrionbeltseeker · 36-40, M
@BlueSkyKing I am in no doubt that certain civilizations do advance faster.
@TheOrionbeltseeker Location, location, location.
JollyRoger · 70-79, M
@BlueSkyKing I'd add - diet, diet,diet
MichaelDemiboy · 51-55, M
How can someone who looks as much like a chimp as Ham does so vehemently deny evolution?
@Diotrephes Hi, just having a larf!

😀
Diotrephes · 70-79, M
@pipedreams [quote]Hi, just having a larf![/quote]

I know. Imagine that dino going to the hairdresser and wearing its hair in a ponytail.😜

But speaking of hair, have you ever thought about why humans have hair around all of our body openings?🤔
@Diotrephes Hi again........you've given me something more to reflect upon....

😀

 
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