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Birds Of A Feather Flock Together, Dinosaurs Excluded!

When it comes to reading recent articles on dinosaur studies, some mental gymnastics are involved to try to discover whether the author is writing about actual dinosaur fossils or just bird fossils. After all, evolutionists believe that birds are dinosaurs (as biblical creationists, we reject that assertion), so it can get confusing! So what should we make of a headline like this: “Dinosaur feathers may have been more birdlike than previously thought”?

Fossilized feathers look like feathers, research suggests.

Or maybe:

Fossilization may have altered feathers, research suggests.

But I suppose neither of those titles is as attention-grabbing as starting off with “dinosaur feathers.” But the original title is misleading. The researchers didn’t study fossilized dinosaur feathers and compare them with fossilized bird feathers—they compared fossilized bird feathers and fossilized bird feathers. In other words, they studied feathers!

You see, most of the so-called “feathered dinosaurs” were actually just . . . birds! And that likely includes Sinornithosaurus, the “feathered dinosaur” used in this study. Now, here’s a little background before we look at the popular summary of the study. A 2019 analysis of fossil feathers (supposedly from dinosaurs) found that

feathers from a flightless dinosaur mostly contained a different, more flexible form of the keratin protein that makes up modern bird beaks, scales and feathers. Researchers suggested then that feathers had evolved molecularly over time to become stiffer as birds — the last living dinosaurs — took to the skies.

Starting with God’s Word, we know that feathers didn’t evolve over time. They were created by God on day five of creation week when he created the various bird kinds. But evolutionists have to believe that feathers evolved, and this initial study seemed to suggest that some “dinosaur feathers” supposedly had a different molecular makeup than the feathers of birds.

But a new study attempted to mimic the fossilization process in the lab, and this team discovered that “fossilization can change feather proteins” making them appear to have a different molecular makeup when, in fact, these so-called “dinosaur feathers” were composed of the same keratin proteins as (other) bird feathers. This, of course, “raise[s] new questions about feather evolution.”

The researchers next examined a roughly 50-million-year-old bird feather and a 125-million-year-old feather from the nonavian dinosaur Sinornithosaurus. To their surprise, the bird feather seemed to consist mainly of alpha-keratins. Since it should have been rich in the beta variety, the team suspects that the proteins transformed during fossilization. The dinosaur feather, by contrast, contained mainly beta-keratins, suggesting it wasn’t exposed to enough heat to morph its proteins.

The simplest interpretation is that the distorting effects of fossilization led previous researchers astray in thinking dinosaur and bird feathers were so different molecularly.

While other researchers disagree with the conclusions of this study, I’m not surprised that feathers in the fossil record appear like feathers today! After all, these feathers didn’t evolve, and the creatures who wore them weren’t buried millions of years ago—they were buried during the global flood of Noah’s day just a few thousand years ago.

by Ken Ham on November 2, 2023
Answers in Genesis
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Richard65 · M
Doesn't the Bible also state that Noah was 950 years old? 🤣
GodSpeed63 · 61-69, M
@Richard65 [quote]Doesn't the Bible also state that Noah was 950 years old?[/quote]

Your point being...what?
Richard65 · M
@GodSpeed63 seriously? Ok, Noah was 950 years old and allegedly built the Ark when he was approaching 600 years old. Anyone who believes that garbage needs to question their sanity.
There you go.
GodSpeed63 · 61-69, M
@Richard65 [quote]seriously? Ok, Noah was 950 years old and allegedly built the Ark when he was approaching 600 years old. Anyone who believes that garbage needs to question their sanity. [/quote]

Whether you believe the account of Noah or not, it doesn't matter. History recorded that account as it happened. You can't change history.
chibs · 61-69, M
@GodSpeed63 [quote]History recorded that account as it happened[/quote].

History doesn't record anything... [i]people[/i] record events

After your god had murdered every living thing on the planet, who recorded that event... and how?
@GodSpeed63 I agree. History is based on fact.
Diotrephes · 70-79, M
@chibs [quote]History doesn't record anything... people record events

After your god had murdered every living thing on the planet, who recorded that event... and how?[/quote]

You are making them look bad with those hard questions.

There was always a stenographer lurking in the background even when there were just one or two people in the middle of nowhere who recorded the conversations and acts word-for-word. Isn't that the way it's done in the movies and in all of the other fairytales?
GodSpeed63 · 61-69, M
@chibs @Diotrephes [quote]After your God had murdered every living thing on the planet, who recorded that event... and how?[/quote]

God is not murderer as you suppose, He's a just and righteous God. According to what you believe, there are no absolutes: no basis for right and wrong, no basis for good or evil, no basis for What's moral and immoral, and no basis for what's just and what's unjust. According to what you believe, everything is permissible without punishment. Since you believe that God doesn't live, you have no basis to go by what is good and what is evil.
Diotrephes · 70-79, M
@GodSpeed63 Your comment is not good, it is evil. No imaginary God character is required to reach that conclusion.
GodSpeed63 · 61-69, M
@Diotrephes [quote] No imaginary God character is required to reach that conclusion.[/quote]

How can you say that God, whom you claim doesn't live, is a murderer? That just makes no sense.
Diotrephes · 70-79, M
@GodSpeed63 We are discussing the fairytale. The biblical God character was simply the series of emperors, chief priests and kings of the dominant ancient Middle Eastern empires who controlled the Israelites. Some were completely nuts and others were simply insane. The biblical God character bit the dust for good when the last Babylonian emperor croaked around 530 BC and the Babylonian empire collapsed. That is why he has not been seen or heard from since.

Other rulers claimed to have been gods. The Roman emperor Hadrian made his boyfriend into a god and built temples to worship him in.

There is no celestial God of any kind in this solar system. But there are lots of imaginary ones and it seems that you worship one.
GodSpeed63 · 61-69, M
@Diotrephes [quote]We are discussing the fairytale.[/quote]

What fairy tale?
Diotrephes · 70-79, M
@GodSpeed63 [quote]What fairy tale?[/quote]
The Bible is a fairytale.
GodSpeed63 · 61-69, M
@Diotrephes [quote]The Bible is a fairytale.[/quote]

Prove it.
Diotrephes · 70-79, M
@GodSpeed63 [quote]Prove it.[/quote]

It says so itself.

1 Timothy 4:7 = https://www.biblegateway.com/verse/en/1%20Timothy%204%3A7
JollyRoger · 70-79, M
@Richard65 Yes and... what's interesting that nobody really picks up on is that Adam apparently lived many hundred years and would have been a contemporary of Noah's. (No... I don't KNOW that... but I read it somewhere).
GodSpeed63 · 61-69, M
@Diotrephes @JollyRoger [quote]1 Timothy 4:7 [/quote]

Paul is not talking about the Word of God, he was talking about a fable that men made up.
Diotrephes · 70-79, M
@GodSpeed63 [quote]Paul is not talking about the Word of God, he was talking about fable that men made up.[/quote]

In the old days people spoke to God face to face and went on picnics with him. Doesn't that seem like a fairytale, fable, myth, or just pure BS?

BTW, even Paul said that his own story about the resurrection was just pure BS but that people should believe it anyway just because he told them about it and that they should ignore their own common sense.

[b][i][c=BF0000]From the river to the sea.[/c][/i][/b]

edit typo.
GodSpeed63 · 61-69, M
@Diotrephes [quote]In the old days people spoke to God face to face and went on picnics with him. Doesn't that seem like a fairytale, fable, myth, or just pure BS?

BTW, even Paul said that his own story about the resurrection was just pure BS but that people should believe it anyway just because he told them about it and that they should ignore their own common sense.
[/quote]

You haven't anything to prove, have you.
Diotrephes · 70-79, M
@GodSpeed63 [quote]You haven't anything to prove, have you.[/quote]

Are you looking for your lost common sense?

[b][i][c=BF0000]From the river to the sea.[/c][/i][/b]
Carazaa · F
@chibs Moses recorded the first 5 books of the Bible with God's help.
Diotrephes · 70-79, M
@Carazaa [quote]Moses recorded the first 5 books of the Bible with God's help.[/quote]

Yep, and he also recorded his own death and burial.

[b][i][c=BF0000]From the river to the sea.[/c][/i][/b]
Carazaa · F
@Diotrephes No that was probably AAron his brother.
Diotrephes · 70-79, M
@Carazaa [quote]No that was probably AAron his brother.
[/quote]
You wrote ="Moses recorded the first 5 books of the Bible with God's help."

[b][i][c=BF0000]From the river to the sea.[/c][/i][/b]
JollyRoger · 70-79, M
@Diotrephes @Carazaa don't forget Levi - he's the brother who was delegated the job of creating all the laws in Leviticus and Deuteronomy so the Israelites would have a religious leadership and woudn't fall back to idol worship (although they did time and time again).
Diotrephes · 70-79, M
@JollyRoger [quote]don't forget Levi - he's the brother who was delegated the job of creating all the laws in Leviticus and Deuteronomy so the Israelites would have a religious leadership and woudn't fall back to idol worship (although they did time and time again).[/quote]

The Israelites couldn't go two minutes without worshiping something.

Moses was a master extortionist. He made the people pay a fee whenever they had a child or a newborn animal. He created the first fully-funded retirement plan for his buddies, the Levites. The common people had to work till they died but the Levites got a golden parachute at fifty. Conmen have been using that model ever since. All they have to do is walk around in fancy robes and wave a smoking pot.

[c=BF0000][b][i]From the river to the sea.[/i][/b][/c]