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Birds Of A Feather Flock Together, Dinosaurs Excluded!

When it comes to reading recent articles on dinosaur studies, some mental gymnastics are involved to try to discover whether the author is writing about actual dinosaur fossils or just bird fossils. After all, evolutionists believe that birds are dinosaurs (as biblical creationists, we reject that assertion), so it can get confusing! So what should we make of a headline like this: “Dinosaur feathers may have been more birdlike than previously thought”?

Fossilized feathers look like feathers, research suggests.

Or maybe:

Fossilization may have altered feathers, research suggests.

But I suppose neither of those titles is as attention-grabbing as starting off with “dinosaur feathers.” But the original title is misleading. The researchers didn’t study fossilized dinosaur feathers and compare them with fossilized bird feathers—they compared fossilized bird feathers and fossilized bird feathers. In other words, they studied feathers!

You see, most of the so-called “feathered dinosaurs” were actually just . . . birds! And that likely includes Sinornithosaurus, the “feathered dinosaur” used in this study. Now, here’s a little background before we look at the popular summary of the study. A 2019 analysis of fossil feathers (supposedly from dinosaurs) found that

feathers from a flightless dinosaur mostly contained a different, more flexible form of the keratin protein that makes up modern bird beaks, scales and feathers. Researchers suggested then that feathers had evolved molecularly over time to become stiffer as birds — the last living dinosaurs — took to the skies.

Starting with God’s Word, we know that feathers didn’t evolve over time. They were created by God on day five of creation week when he created the various bird kinds. But evolutionists have to believe that feathers evolved, and this initial study seemed to suggest that some “dinosaur feathers” supposedly had a different molecular makeup than the feathers of birds.

But a new study attempted to mimic the fossilization process in the lab, and this team discovered that “fossilization can change feather proteins” making them appear to have a different molecular makeup when, in fact, these so-called “dinosaur feathers” were composed of the same keratin proteins as (other) bird feathers. This, of course, “raise[s] new questions about feather evolution.”

The researchers next examined a roughly 50-million-year-old bird feather and a 125-million-year-old feather from the nonavian dinosaur Sinornithosaurus. To their surprise, the bird feather seemed to consist mainly of alpha-keratins. Since it should have been rich in the beta variety, the team suspects that the proteins transformed during fossilization. The dinosaur feather, by contrast, contained mainly beta-keratins, suggesting it wasn’t exposed to enough heat to morph its proteins.

The simplest interpretation is that the distorting effects of fossilization led previous researchers astray in thinking dinosaur and bird feathers were so different molecularly.

While other researchers disagree with the conclusions of this study, I’m not surprised that feathers in the fossil record appear like feathers today! After all, these feathers didn’t evolve, and the creatures who wore them weren’t buried millions of years ago—they were buried during the global flood of Noah’s day just a few thousand years ago.

by Ken Ham on November 2, 2023
Answers in Genesis
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JollyRoger · 70-79, M
Yes, Ken (or @godspeed63) The Bible does say that the world (as it was known to Noah) was destroyed by a flood. But, that doesn't say anything about God destroying the world outside of Noah's neighbourhood that Noah and his relatives didn't know about.

Also - one very important aspect of TIME when we are accounting for discrepancies between the Bible and geology and archeology (paleology in particular) is that our years are not God's years.
I.e., what may be eons to us may (or may not) be a day in God's eyes: Therefore when it was written that God created the world in 6 days and rested on the 7th.... we were not there to measure those days; and, as God created the light that we have in our world, he probably didn't work in the shadow of a turning earth as he was creating our world.
So - whether there are feathers on dinosaurs or whether dinosaurs were a 'first attempt' by God at populating the earth with animals.... let's just 'let it be' and perhaps when we're called to judgement on that day as foretold in the book of Revelations, we, if we are judged worthy of having a eternal soul in heaven, may get to ask that VERY IMPORTANT question.
GodSpeed63 · 61-69, M
@JollyRoger [quote]So - whether there are feathers on dinosaurs or whether dinosaurs were a 'first attempt' by God at populating the earth with animals.... let's just 'let it be' and perhaps when we're called to judgement on that day as foretold in the book of Revelations, we, if we are judged worthy of having a eternal soul in heaven, may get to ask that VERY IMPORTANT question.[/quote]

There's only one interpretation of God's Word and that belongs to Him and whoever He will share it with. God doesn't make attempts, He completes whatever project He works on.
Diotrephes · 70-79, M
@JollyRoger The biblical fairytale plainly says that 1,000 years is equal to one day of God time. There's an entire religion that is based on that.
JollyRoger · 70-79, M
@Diotrephes And so we come down to the fact that the Bible was written by people and people can be wrong (can't they?)?
Diotrephes · 70-79, M
@JollyRoger [quote]And so we come down to the fact that the Bible was written by people and people can be wrong (can't they?)?[/quote]

Do you think that the stars will fall to the Earth?
JollyRoger · 70-79, M
@Diotrephes Of course....aren't we the center of the Universe? All those little glittery stars falling on my lawn.... I won't need Christmas lights!
JollyRoger · 70-79, M
@GodSpeed63 OK OK.... have it your way and you LOSE! I've told you before (many months ago) that you seem to be here to provoke arguments and, Yes, you win [i][b]but only by provoking arguments![/b][/i] But winning an argument as a goal is not TRUTH. The truth - in the Bible is the truth that people remember ONLY from the things their parents told them because as someone pointed out - there was no written word at the time Genesis was composed. Adam would have told his children, and ... etc... etc. - until as in the Chinese Story Circle game, the statement comes around to the last person who repeats it aloud - and everyone laughs as they remember their version and then the person who started the statement tells what they really said and everyone laughs again!

So: The word of God is the word of God in-so-far as we take it to apply to our lives AND: God is the only one who knows who is really right and who is wrong! LET PEOPLE BELIEVE AS THEY WISH. If they are good people they will discern for themselves what in the Bible they wish to use and that which they think is a bit misinterpreted. Your purpose in life is to listen to what is said and use the good and reject the bad - there is no purpose telling other people a book is the word of God when it is really only a many-times translated version of what someone's parents (or a preacher) thought was good. Therefore the Bible is a [b]GUIDE[/b] TO LIVING PEACEFULLY (New Testament in particular; the Old Testament is a Hebrew story of trials and survival and it gives ideas of what worked and didn't work well).

[b]Bottom line: [/b] You are here TELLING us what to believe! STOP IT! You LOSE because you don't know the truth yourself - and nobody else on here does either (especially me).
GodSpeed63 · 61-69, M
@JollyRoger [quote] OK OK.... have it your way and you LOSE! [/quote]

Not my way. It's His Way and God wins every time.
Carazaa · F
@JollyRoger "let it be" ,yes. But "evolutionists" are trying to prove the Bible wrong. And they can not! That is the point!
JollyRoger · 70-79, M
@Carazaa Of course they can't "Prove" it wrong..... people lived those lives and those events and they told their stories. In those stories is much truth, but it [b]may[b] be a distorted truth. That was my point with the 'Chinese Story Circle"
GodSpeed63 · 61-69, M
@JollyRoger [quote]Of course they can't "Prove" it wrong..... people lived those lives and those events and they told their stories. In those stories is much truth, but it may be a distorted truth. That was my point with the 'Chinese Story Circle"[/quote]

The truth is not distorted, as you suppose, God wrote those accounts in those books, every one of them.

16All Scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness, 17that the man of God may be complete, thoroughly equipped for every good work. 2 Timothy 3:16 & 17

16For we did not follow cunningly devised fables when we made known to you the power and coming of our Lord Jesus Christ, but were eyewitnesses of His majesty. 17For He received from God the Father honor and glory when such a voice came to Him from the Excellent Glory: “This is My beloved Son, in whom I am well pleased.” 18And we heard this voice which came from heaven when we were with Him on the holy mountain.
19And so we have the prophetic word confirmed, which you do well to heed as a light that shines in a dark place, until the day dawns and the morning star rises in your hearts; 20knowing this first, that no prophecy of Scripture is of any private interpretation, 21for prophecy never came by the will of man, but holy men of God spoke as they were moved by the Holy Spirit. 2 Peter 1:16-21
JollyRoger · 70-79, M
@GodSpeed63 Jim Jones said similar words to his followers in Guyana; David Korash said similar words to his followers in Waco. I'm not saying that the person who wrote as Timothy is a bad person, but it is still that person's imposition of 'truth' on other people so to raise the value of what he/she is proposing. By me writing what I'm writing here, I'm doing the same thing.... and so are you! I repeat it again (3rd time): Let people believe what they wish to believe from the Bible. Their 'goodness' will prevail.
Carazaa · F
@JollyRoger

[quote]But, that doesn't say anything about God destroying the world outside of Noah's neighbourhood that Noah and his relatives didn't know about.[/quote]

I think God makes it quite clear!

[b]Genesis 6:17[/b]

[b]KJV
And, behold, I, even I, do bring a flood of waters upon the earth, to destroy all flesh, wherein is the breath of life, from under heaven; and every thing that is in the earth shall die.

[/b]
Diotrephes · 70-79, M
@Carazaa[quote] Genesis 6:17 KJV
And, behold, I, even I, do bring a flood of waters upon the earth, to destroy all flesh, wherein is the breath of life, from under heaven; and every thing that is in the earth shall die.[/quote]


Once again, the God character lies. He said = "and every thing that is in the earth shall die."

Everything didn't die. So, he lied. And because he lied about such a major point, how can he be trusted about anything he said? He was akways deluding people.

[b][i][quote]Fom the river to the sea.
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Carazaa · F
@Diotrephes Everything died besides everything in the ARK. Jesus is our ARK. Noah listened! Please listen and get on the ARK 🙂
Diotrephes · 70-79, M
@Carazaa [quote]Everything died besides everything in the ARK. Jesus is our ARK. Noah listened! Please listen and get on the ARK[/quote]

His original statement plainly said "and every thing that is in the earth shall die." Since that didn't happen, the God character lied and can not be trusted. It even says that he deceives people.

[b][i][c=BF0000]From the river to the sea.[/c][/i][/b]
JollyRoger · 70-79, M
@Diotrephes @GodSpeed63 I'll be on the ARK with you, come Hell or high water. I live my life based on the [u]teachings[/u] of the Bible and the example of Jesus Christ. For example: I do not lay claim to my neighbour's property just because somewhere a man (Moses) said that God has given it to his people.... The people who lived on that land had their rights too. I'm not claiming to be in God's favor: David had 53 concubines in addition to his wife and yet he lusted after another man's wife and had that man, a friend, killed.
My point: There are lessons to be learned from the Bible. That David did what he did did not ultimately diminish him in God's eyes - he was forgiven. Unlike Moses and David, if we live with consideration for strangers by respecting their rights and we love our friends and neighbours and do not wilfully do them harm, but in our 'human' weakness we sometimes make mistakes and show weakness to sin, we[u] can [/u]still be forgiven. It is a book of wisdom to be used as a guideline. It's writers (inspired as the probably were by God) wrote the history of the Hebrew world centuries after it occurred. The Bible itself has been transcribed from Hebrew and Aramic and other languages by scribes who viewed those scripts many centuries after the originals were recognized. I always fall back on this line of the Lord's Prayer: ".... and lead us not into temptation but deliver us from evil." Why would Jesus who gave us those words implore his followers to pray to God not to lead us into temptation in the first place? A better wording would be (and I always substitute it) "...Let us not be led into temptation...." Of course I take that line as being a misinterpretation by some poor scribe (probably a monk with poor eyesight from years of scrunching over texts) and not reread! If Why does it still exist? My explanation for that is: King James ordered that transcription of the Bible and he probably decreed it as truth not knowing of the misleading line. Once set into the King's Law, which church is going to say that it's wrong?? So, for you literalists: DON'T PREACH TO ME TO TAKE THE BIBLE LITERALLY.
Diotrephes · 70-79, M
@JollyRoger David is in the top five of the worse main characters in the Bible. Like the others, he has zero redeeming qualities.

[b][i][c=BF0000]From the river to the sea.[/c][/i][/b]
Carazaa · F
@Diotrephes
[b]David became the King of Israel because God made him King. Was he perfect? Far from it, like we are also far from perfect. But David had a love for God, He repented and he served God with all his heart soul, and mind! Here is a great article by Melanie Campbell[/b]

"1. [b]David’s Faith[/b]
David’s first (and one of his most well-known) accomplishment was his defeat of the Philistine giant, Goliath. It took courage to face a sword-wielding giant with nothing but a sling and some rocks. Before throwing the stone that would take the giant down, David declared, “this entire assembly may know that the Lord does not save by sword or by spear; for the battle is the Lord’s, and He will hand you over to us!” (1 Sam. 17:47). David gave God credit for defeating Goliath before the giant was hit by the stone. It was through his faith that God empowered him to be successful. This giant-killing faith remained with David his entire life.

2. [b]David’s Trust[/b]
Even though Saul was a constant threat to his life, David had respect for him as king and spared his life on more than one occasion. When David had an opportunity to kill Saul in a cave, he chose not to. He said, “May the Lord judge between you and me, and may the Lord take vengeance on you for me; but my hand shall not be against you. As the proverb of the ancients says, ‘Out of the wicked comes wickedness’; but my hand shall not be against you” (1 Sam. 24:12-13).

David showed complete trust in God, which meant it was not in his hands to strike down the king God had put in command. David knew that God had proclaimed him to be the next king, but unlike Saul with the burnt offering, he would wait until God removed Saul, rather than taking the matter into this own hands. He also was relying on God to save him from the wickedness of Saul, who sought to destroy him.


3. [b]David’s Love[/b]
man sitting against wall with Bible praying
In all his dealings with Saul, David showed agape type of love toward the man who was determined to be his enemy. It is interesting that this man, chosen by God and described as being after his own heart, did this centuries before Jesus’s sermon on the mount and his command to “love your enemies and pray for those who persecute you” (Matthew 5:44).

4. [b]David’s Humility[/b]
Even after experiencing remarkable success in battle, David remained humble. When Saul offered his daughter, Michal, to David as a wife, he responded, “Is it trivial in your sight to become the king’s son-in-law, since I am only a poor man and insignificant?” (1 Sam. 18:23).

Later in his life, after David was crowned king and had conquered his enemies, the prophet Nathan told him of God’s promise to extend his dynasty forever, David prayed, “Who am I, Lord God, and who are the members of my household, that You have brought me this far?” (2 Sam. 7:18). At this point, David had known immense success at everything he put his hand to, yet he never took the credit or considered himself worthy of greatness. He gave all the glory to God.

5. [b]David’s Integrity[/b]
David admitted when he was wrong and took responsibility for his mistakes, which was a sign of his deep integrity. We see this when Saul is pursuing him, and David lies to Ahimelech the priest to get food for his men, as well as the sword of Goliath. David’s lie eventually led to the death of 85 priests, as well as the entire town of Nob (1 Sam. 22:9-19) by the command of Saul.

When David learns of this, he admits it is his fault, and takes in the sole survivor of the priesthood settlement. This was one of many times where David took responsibility for his mistakes and did what was in his power to make it right.


6. [b]David Forgives[/b]
Two men shaking hands
Later in his life, David’s integrity took a drastic downfall and he slept with Bathsheba and then had her husband murdered. David was distressed when the prophet Nathan revealed the terrible thing David had done. Instead of making excuses for his behavior, David said, “I have sinned against the Lord” (2 Sam. 12:2).

Though David made a horrible decision, he took responsibility and had remorse for his actions. He earnestly sought God's forgiveness. David penned Psalm 51, “A Contrite Sinners Prayer for Pardon,” after his sin of adultery with Bathsheba and the murder of Uriah. In this Psalm, David brokenheartedly confesses his sin and asked for God's forgiveness and restoration.

7.[b] David Worships God[/b]
Even though his poor choice with Bathsheba led to much heartache for many years to come, David never stopped worshiping God. It is believed that Psalm 32 was also written by David at about the same time as Psalm 51. In it, David wrote, “Be glad in the Lord and rejoice, you righteous ones; And shout for joy, all you who are upright in heart.”

[b]He realized his righteousness did not come from his actions, but from his love for and submission to God.[/b] At a time when others may have run from or hidden from God, David chose to praise the Lord. Many of David’s psalms were full of his heartaches and even questioning of God, but he never stopped serving and worshiping Him.

Reading about David's life not only shows show us why he was called a man after God's own heart, but also helps us see the characteristics that we should look for in ourselves, as followers of Christ who are also after God's own heart.

Do we have faith? Do we trust the Lord in all circumstances? Do we have sacrificial love for others, even our enemies? Are we humble? Do we operate with integrity? Do we seek forgiveness from God for our sins? Do we worship the Lord no matter what our circumstances?

We may not face the same kind of giant that David did, or be called by God to rule a nation, but we can choose each day to seek God's heart.



Melanie Campbell is a member of Oregon Christian Writers and ACFW. Her debut novel, One Woman Falling, won the Oregon Christian Writers Cascade Award and is a finalist for the Selah Award. She lives in Oregon’s beautiful Willamette Valley with her husband, their three children, and several spoiled pets. You can learn more about her writing and sign up for her newsletter by visiting her website at melaniecampbellauthor.org. You can also follow her on Facebook, Instagram and Twitter."
Carazaa · F
@JollyRoger
[quote] I live my life based on the teachings of the Bible and the example of Jesus Christ. [/quote] That sounds great! But are you really if you don't believe that The king James Bible is inspired? I for one believe every line, word, and verse has meaning. Not just the words but the numbers. When Jesus made them catch exactly 153 fish, (why 153?) it has a meaning that proves he wrote the Bible, He is God in the flesh because the apostles are mentioned 153 times in the Bible (only Jesus knew that he would name them 153 times.) 153 also means Ano Elohim in Hebrew, Which means I AM GOD [b]Jesus is the word.[/b] Jesus wrote the word, and He became flesh. And only the King James Bible was the first translated Bible to every nation and they are all translated from ENGLISH. God had a reason for that, so we can study it and learn from every word and number of the verses in English all over the world. Only King James distinquishes between the word LORD, Jehovah, and Lord, The Christ.
Diotrephes · 70-79, M
@Carazaa The Jesus character didn't write anything of value and he certaintly didn't write the Bible farytale. The Paul character concocted the Jesus character as a means to sell his resurrection religion. Besides, the Jesus character was simply too dumb to have created anything.

How stupid is Mark 13:31 (ERV) = "The whole world, earth and sky, will be destroyed, but my words will last forever."

If the world is destroyed who will hear his words? It certainly shouldn't be humans.

And, if the stars fall, where will they go?

Matthew 24:29 (ERV) =“Right after the trouble of those days, this will happen: ‘The sun will become dark, and the moon will not give light. The stars will fall from the sky, and everything in the sky will be changed.’

If the sun becomes dark, it's going to get very frosty and the moon just reflects sunlight; it has no light of its own.

[b][i][c=BF0000]From the river to the sea.[/c][/i][/b]
JollyRoger · 70-79, M
@Carazaa i'm sorry but I can't ompete with your interpretation! I'm saying what I see. I'm not reading anything into it except my joke about the poor monk.
JollyRoger · 70-79, M
@Carazaa On the topic of King David: I'm not contesting that David loved God. I'm not contesting that God loved David and forgave him many times. All that proves is that God is willing to forgive human failure. What that does for people (me) is to help them believe that God wants us to learn from our mistakes.

Now: On the topic of the King James Bible being inspired by God - WHERE DO YOU FOLKS COME ? To say that King James (as I interpret your words ) translated the Bible all by himself (?) is ludicrous. And, if you truly believe that the translation itself is inspired by God, then, I'll concede that God probably did put the idea in King James' head that English speaking people needed a way to have Bibles read to them in a language they could understand as they were unable to understand Latin as was used in Catholicism at the time. That was a good and noble undertaking and he has received accolates for HAVING IT DONE. Now, I fall back on my joke about the monk: Translations were done mostly in monasteries by holy people who gave their lives to working for God. But: As David made some very egregious errors in his lifetime, one very probable small slip of translation by a trusted monk makes a mockery of Jesus' instructions to us. WILL NOBODY ADDRESS THIS TRAVESTY? No, they (you) won't and the reason why is simple: You (all who refuse to address it) would have to confess that the Bible has a fault and therefore your diatribe about the KJV bible being "The Unquestionable Word of God" would fall apart.
Now, if you were like me, you'd have no problem with that because I take the Bible as being an EXCELLENT guide for my life when I feel I need guidance; but my [b]belief[/b] lies in the words and actions of Christ as they affected His society and carry forth 2000 years later to affect me. To settle this argument, please quote me the Aramaic or Latin or Greek or Hebrew (whatever language the original words of Jesus were first put to 'pen' in) and we can do a comparison to the KJV Bible and then we would know for certain.
JollyRoger · 70-79, M
@Diotrephes I have to ask, "Why are you in this forum?" if you don't believe in Christ or believe that the Bible has philosophical value to our lives, what are you trying to tell us? What is your belief? Why do you belittle someone else's beliefs if yours don't compare?
Diotrephes · 70-79, M
@JollyRoger If you really read the fairytale you will realize that most of it is just an elaborate hoax. The more secular books do contain some timeless advice but the books that are heavy on the God creature are just an elaborate hoax written to fool gullible superstitious people.

[b][i][c=BF0000]From the river to the sea.[/c][/i][/b]
JollyRoger · 70-79, M
@Diotrephes OK... so you don't believe 'The Hoax" What do you believe? I understand that you have read secular books, but what beliefs do you have either based on what you have read or (better) what you have experienced in your life to make you trust what you do believe.