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Gloomy · F
@Aidan Yes but what argument is that?
Secularism is on the rise, in many cases religion is coercive and people are born into oppressive environments that makes it impossible for them to form their own believes and conclusions like in the middle east for example.
Then we have Buddhism for example or other spiritual beliefs that are closer to a philosophy and way of life than a religion and they don't necessarily believe in a higher power like a god.
Secularism is on the rise, in many cases religion is coercive and people are born into oppressive environments that makes it impossible for them to form their own believes and conclusions like in the middle east for example.
Then we have Buddhism for example or other spiritual beliefs that are closer to a philosophy and way of life than a religion and they don't necessarily believe in a higher power like a god.
BlueSkyKing · M
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It is a good quote and can be related even to a non-theistic perspective. The philosopher Kant has been called one who saw the human being as the "one who can ask questions that cannot be answered". The [i]meaning of life[/i]. Wittgenstein, one of our greatest modern philosophers has developed this, recognising that strict logic as such is simply a succession of tautologies, self enclosed. He said "Whereof one cannot speak, thereof one must be silent”.
Some have developed this by making the claim that all metaphysical questions are therefore meaningless, then progressing into Scientism, where the logic appropriate to the development of science is deemed all encompassing. This is not what Wittgenstein meant. He did not deem questions of [i]meaning[/i] meaningless, but that they can only be answered in ways beyond logic, in the actual [i]living[/i] of life.
Wittgenstein, in speaking to a friend, O.K. Bouwsma, thought that his teaching had done more harm than good, that people did not know how to use it soberly. "Do you understand?" he asked. "Oh yes", Bouwsma replied,"they had found a formula." "Exactly" was Wittgensteins reply.
There are no formulas for finding, knowing, realising "truth" and Wittgenstein insisted that an expression has meaning only in the stream of life. Therefore "truth" (our truth) can only be [i]lived[/i], not [i]thought[/i].
At a fundamental level, to think on these things, as I see it we must not equate Faith with Belief. They are opposites. Faith has its place, that our own true path, time and place can be found, realised, and known. Beliefs, unfounded, will simply divide us.
Some have developed this by making the claim that all metaphysical questions are therefore meaningless, then progressing into Scientism, where the logic appropriate to the development of science is deemed all encompassing. This is not what Wittgenstein meant. He did not deem questions of [i]meaning[/i] meaningless, but that they can only be answered in ways beyond logic, in the actual [i]living[/i] of life.
Wittgenstein, in speaking to a friend, O.K. Bouwsma, thought that his teaching had done more harm than good, that people did not know how to use it soberly. "Do you understand?" he asked. "Oh yes", Bouwsma replied,"they had found a formula." "Exactly" was Wittgensteins reply.
There are no formulas for finding, knowing, realising "truth" and Wittgenstein insisted that an expression has meaning only in the stream of life. Therefore "truth" (our truth) can only be [i]lived[/i], not [i]thought[/i].
At a fundamental level, to think on these things, as I see it we must not equate Faith with Belief. They are opposites. Faith has its place, that our own true path, time and place can be found, realised, and known. Beliefs, unfounded, will simply divide us.
GoodoldBob · 61-69, M
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Axeroberts · 56-60, M
@pillowprincess that was an accident. Sorry. I don't delete comments as a general rule
pillowprincess · F
@Axeroberts
Sure sure...
Sure sure...
Straylight · 31-35, F
@pillowprincess I’ve actually read The Demon Haunted World and technically he was talking about people claiming to be abducted by aliens in that chapter. But it’s a versatile metaphor.
Hayleyiscaring · 41-45, F
Axeroberts · 56-60, M
@Hayleyiscaring Faith is based on trust
Graylight · 51-55, F
No, faith is the strong belief in God or in the doctrines of a religion, based on spiritual apprehension rather than proof.
The quote above is describing blindly following free of responsibility and comes from a guy who preaches the "prosperity gospel."
The quote above is describing blindly following free of responsibility and comes from a guy who preaches the "prosperity gospel."
Adstar · 56-60, M
Faith actually is another word for Trust.. People simply use the word Faith in regard to religon / God while they more often then not use the word Trust in relation to people or organisations...
I don't mind your definition.. But i have no time or trust in joel osteen..
I don't mind your definition.. But i have no time or trust in joel osteen..
Allelse · 36-40, M
UGHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH!!!!! God that is painful to read. Use feces to cure your gout why don't you, or urine to cure your conjunctivitis.
Adstar · 56-60, M
The less one understand about God the greater the Faith one needs to have in God..
Axeroberts · 56-60, M
@Adstar I actually think the opposite. You have more faith and trust in a person you know than a stranger. Same with the Creator
Human1000 · M
Joel Olseen, the Christian billionaire who bilked millions of Americans. He’s a scammer.
GoodoldBob · 61-69, M
@Human1000 This is true, but the quote is still relevant.
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Unquestioned · 70-79, M