Has Science and Reason Taken Away Some of the "Mysticisim" of the world for you?

@ShadowWolf It wouldn't surprise me if the speed of light was an ultimate limit. That would explain why we haven't already been visited by billion year old civilizations. And so much of the universe will remain mysterious even as we learn more and model and predict more.

@ElwoodBlues I have to agree. The Fermi Paradox illustrates this.

@ElwoodBlues Wow!

I met M, T & W and got to attend a special lecture by Stephen. Pretty neat.

@redredred Depends on the situation. I mean, China did have a poppulation issue. How would you solve it? It's a terrible thing to do, I'm not in favor of it, but it does solve part of the issues that China had back then. But of course, if you grand absolute negative forms of freedom to anyone, then issues can't be taken care of at all. In that type of society, no one would wear seatbelts either.

Governements already outlaw Heroine, Cocaine, LSD, ... and other substances. Why aren't you revolting? Again... depends on the reasoning behind the ban. But I do smoke illegal substances, because I don't see a good reason for the governement to restrict that freedom.

I don't see any reason to wear a certain hair code or a certain clothing style. So I would rebel against that.

If people would restrict people from voting in annyway. If a party takes hold of the supreme court. If a party would restrict balanced news networks. If a party would restrict the freedom of religion. If a party would restrict the enlargment of positive freedoms.... those are things that would drive me to the streets.

@Kwek00 “ If people would restrict people from voting in annyway. If a party takes hold of the supreme court. If a party would restrict balanced news networks. If a party would restrict the freedom of religion. If a party would restrict the enlargment of positive freedoms.... those are things that would drive me to the streets.”

So, since you’re not yet rebelling in the street, we can reasonably infer you don’t think any of those things are happening. True?

@redredred Well, yes.

@BlueVeins Yes.... I watched a documentary on that. It's probably the most depressing thing I've ever seen. The stars will die and the universe will get colder and darker. Towards the end, all that will be left are black holes and neutron stars. Then Proton decay, then nothing. Literally the end of time. True cosmic horror for sure.

@ShadowWolf Yeah, I generally believe that heat death won't happen because it's just such an absurd extrapolation of current trends, but ofc I think it's an important thing to explore and all.

@BlueVeins It's good to keep an open mind, but I agree. A heat death is very unlikely. The only true heat in the universe comes from atomic energy (stars mostly), so as they die and supernovae heat fades, and white dwarves cool, it's only logical for the universe to cool in tandem.

@SomeMichGuy I read every article I see on archaeology, anthropology, geology, these things interest me, many articles include the struggle to get something recognized that goes against the grain. Me saying it is probably fits your definition of "arm chair", but I am repeating the statements of in many cases, the words of the scientist who found an object.

@Roadsterrider You are doing more than most! Good!

Where are you finding these articles?

@Roadsterrider Newer and better evidence always trumps old. No buts about it. A major attribute of science is self correcting.

@Thevy29 A long list of wrong

You first need to establish that the full Moon does effect people, and in what way.

You first need to define and detail the ‘mind’, and then demonstrate if it affects the body

You first need to establish that twins share a connection

You first need to establish the existence of ghosts

There are several credible explanations for how the Pyramids and Stonehenge were constructed... all of them quite mundane, and none involving ‘aliens’.

Homo sapiens did not evolve from Neanderthals. Those two hominid species existed at the same time, and even interbred (around 3% of your genes are Neanderthal). All hominid species following common ancestry with chimpanzees originated in Africa.

Perhaps you’re unaware of the robotic exploration of the Solar System... I recommend any number of good reports and books about what has been found and learned and established. The explorations continue (spoiler alert: There are no alien-constructed ‘canals’ on Mars)

It is never a characteristic of science that it claims to know everything. On the contrary, the boundaries of the unknown expand as the area of established knowledge increases. That’s why science is dynamic and exciting.

@newjaninev2 You failed in English class didn't you

@Thevy29 You ask because..?

@GeraldVeritasSeeker "Throughout history, every mystery ever solved has turned out to be NOT magic."

Tim Minchin

@newjaninev2 please, look at the great art a theistic dispotion has historically produced. Life would be rather stale without the works that believers once produced.

@redredred for all I know, they might not even exist

@ravenwind43
As the ones saying about what they don´t know are enough I choose to silently think on it.

@ElRengo whatever floats your boat👍

@ravenwind43 Thank you!

@sirenofthesea How sexist. lol

@Starcrossed I like your perspective there, thanks for the feedback!

@AwakeningConfession221122 All science is observation and some things we just aren't capable enough to see and it's beyond our monkey limitations.

@Robynthebeautiful LMAO

Making up "facts" and saying these dismissive things shows that you have no idea about science.

But let's see...


Where do you get this statistic?

When a new area/regime is uncovered, a new phenomenon discovered, a new, promising theory which seems to *finally* explain something is put forth...in ALL.of these cases, there *naturally* arise a number of related questions.

This *has* to be so, because science is a network of questions, facts, conjectures/theories, data/measurements, analyses, results/conclusions.

As a *network*, a change is noticed by people who are well-versed not only in the immediate area of study, but also of closely-related areas & even distant areas which might be affected by the implications of something happening elsewhere. As a surface analogue, when you strike one part of a drum head, the whole surface is affected.


True.
• You have houses & other buildings which can be proved to be capable of withstanding given loads, including specified earthquakes, winds, snows, etc.

• You can determine how to heat, cool, ventilate, humidify/de-humidify, and light/power and plumb your buildings.

• You can have transportation more reliable & convenient than walking.

• You have communication more convenient than in-person conversations and faster than traditional mail.

• You have foods which are more hardy, etc., and which can be found fresh, locally, or stored via canning or freezing.

• You have tools & machines which help in performing many tasks--mowing lawns, building the houses, washing clothes, etc., etc., etc.

• And you (likely) are using one of the most amazing tools right now to read and respond/react to this posting...

Science has allowed MANY amazing things to happen.


I think you mewn scientists, but the anti-knowledge, anti-education, anti-thinking aspect of the last few years has really changed the notion of giving persons with actual knowledge of/training in/experience with some area their due.

I never thought scientists were viewed as "God"...except for a few with oversized egos. lol


To proceed "with an abundance of caution" IS the proper, conservative response to a disease either newly-discovered or newly found in a new species.

Experts are expert only in what is ALREADY known; they may try to project into the future, and even offer initial guidelines--very conservative guidelines!--for what people probably should do while the new disease is investigated.

For discoveries where health and safety are involved, this makes sense.

I'm sorry if your conception of "expert" has been, "they must be experts in every new thing, immediately", because that is simply not possible.

And so, likewise, people rushing to make pronouncements without data are typically fools. Science isn't often instantaneous.

@SomeMichGuy thanks for answering and agreeing with me in your own words

.in ALL.of these cases, there *naturally* arise a number of related questions

@Robynthebeautiful No. I disagree with your facile bullshit.

@ElRengo But I also said, ‘There are more things in heaven and earth, Horatio, / Than are dreamt of in your philosophy.’

@Fukfacewillie
True.
And THAT is how most of scientists look at the universe, their attitude about.
And why Science was born and rised since it´s divorce with First Philosophies.
Science is not only a kind of knowledge, is mainly about what we still don´t know.

Are you saying that not all is in the scope of Science?
I hope so.

@AthrillatheHunt Man you are going for the throat now rofl.

@ShadowWolf nah I’m playing. I respect all faiths. My dad was an Albanian Muslim and mom Roman Catholic and I lived in Israel so it’s all in jest.

@AthrillatheHunt Haha yes I know. I knew from the moment we started our banter :)

@stratosranger That is a fair point. But how many people can understand quantum mechanics and quantum physics on such a level compared to "You are cursed for entering a tomb"? 🤔

I think it comes down to that certain arrogance where so many things are dismissed by science because the scientists themselves have never experienced it. Anyone who thinks they understand the world we live in all too often has a rude awakening. Sadder still is they cannot share what they’ve experienced for fear of censure @ShadowWolf

@stratosranger I think an open mind is key. I agree.

@Elena05 👆👆👆

@DDonde Oh i bet. That's the thing though. Night terrors actually explain a ton of supernatural phenomena for things that go "bump" in the night. Once I learned about them (I have never personally had them), I was like... "yup that's it, it's clear that science rules now"

@ShadowWolf Yeah it's like having a psychotic episode. Your brain just turns on you

@DDonde That's what I read. That's wild. Combine that with sleep paralysis and you have the makings of a horror film rofl.

@Fukfacewillie I get my kicks out of everything you listed as well. However I am currently at odds with one of them that does provide more whimsy than the rest. "possibility of life". I'm afraid the Fermi paradox is ringing true. We haven't seen a Dyson Sphere, haven't had visitors in recorded history, and it's becoming more and more apparent life in our galaxy, nevermind local group, is isolated to us and us alone. If it's not, aliens are bound by the same laws of physics, and clearly have not developed the technology such as a warp drive to bend them. We can't use traditional means to approach the speed of light after all, since E=MC2. Infinite energy infinite mass. And it would still take 4.5 years at light speed to reach Proxima Centari.. the nearest star.

@ShadowWolf It is depressing the scale of the universe makes contact almost impossible. However, the discovery of water based planets in our galaxy makes the conclusion near certain, to me anyway, that life exists, and probably sentient life as well. And they are wondering the same thing, probably right now. I like that.

@Fukfacewillie Right, it makes it seem so lonely and empty. We are just here, on this rock orbiting around a ball of fire alone in a massive expanse. I can agree the discovery is a good sign. In line with the Fermi paradox, Earth is in a unique situation to support life, which is exceedingly rare among the cosmos. Many other bodies out there may have supported life in the distant past, especially considering the age of the universe. For all we know, there could be a civilization in Andromeda, and when the galaxies merge, future humans might end up with new neighbors!