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1 In the beginning God created the heavens and the earth.

The most important verse in the Word of God. If they don't believe this verse, they'll never believe the rest. However, the Word of God is the only recorded document that gives testimony to early man's history. Skeptics on here have tried to come up with an alternate document to push evolution as recorded history to replace the Word of God but failed to do so. Instead, they resorted to ridicule, mocking, and just plain displayed an act stupidity. Why? If they can't produce anything to support what they think is the true history of early man, then why go through the trouble of acting stupid to discredit the early history recorded in the Word of God? It's not logical at all. Plus, it's a futile attempt to change what has already been established in the history of mankind. No offense, but this is what I've observed on here.
DocSavage · M
GodSpeed63
61-69,

[quote] but this is what I've observed on here.[/quote]
Typical creationist world view
DocSavage · M
@GodSpeed63
Says the man who can see the back of his own teeth
GodSpeed63 · 61-69, M
@DocSavage [quote]Typical creationist world view[/quote]

Why do you keep putting that awful of you on here, Doc? That represents the evolutionists world view. Get real, Doc, okay.
DocSavage · M
@GodSpeed63

What’s wrong with my picture. It’s a good likeness.
The problem with the bible as a literal history of early man is that it just doesn't line histories of contemporaneous and even earlier cultures and indeed borrows heavily from religions that predate the Hebrews entirely.
To the first point, if you add up the timeline in the bible, the Noachian flood should have wiped out the Egyptians about 200 years after they'd built the pyramids...and yet not only is no such cataclysm recorded in their histories because then Ham apparently showed up and repopulated Egypt...exactly as it had been in culture and customs to the point where there was no record or change....? Nah, that won't wash.

To the second point, the bible borrows heavily from other older cultures, Sumerians, Mesopotamians, and Egyptians.
Now this is not to say that the bible records no history whatsoever because of course it does. It's just that it's more like a historical fiction novel then a history textbook. There are real places, events and people with an overlay of religious mythicism.

Another confounding factor for the bible as a legitimate history is the fact that it just doesn't line up with the natural world. For example, the order of creation described in Genesis is glaringly contradicted by the order of life in the fossil record. And the fossil record [i]is[/i] ordered in a consistent way all over the world and it's not just Atheists who say that. Even your boys and Answers in Genesis acknowledge that the order is as paleontologists describe it.

But even if we leave all that aside, it's important to treat this claim logically.
Even if there were NO other histories or scientific discoveries from early man, that does not mean one should accept the bible as the default fact.
Because an explanation is not true simply by virtue of being the only one. Take for example the construction of the Great Pyramids. For the longest time, we had no idea how ancient peoples had managed to quarry, carve, haul and stack the great blocks. So some people declared that it was ALIENS or at least that aliens had helped the Egyptians do it.
Even if that was the only explanation for how they managed it...that doesn't make it True, do follow?

In the same way it is a logically feeble argument to say that the Bible is the only "historical document" of man's early history and therefore it is to be believed.
Now let's see if you read to the bottom of this post: There is no god but Allah and Muhammad is his prophet. This you attest to if you do not deny it.
GodSpeed63 · 61-69, M
@DocSavage [quote]Anybody's worldly views, especially yours Godspeed63 Don't count. Didn't you know that?[/quote]

I don't have worldly views, Doc, and your squirming like a snake caught under someone's foot.
DocSavage · M
@PicturesOfABetterTomorrow
Godspeed63 doesn’t actually read the bible, he just puts up worthless YouTube videos. He has no idea what the firmament is.
DocSavage · M
@GodSpeed63
Have I mentioned , Yahweh is as dead as a door nail ?
Here’s your proof. CSI PHOTO.
Except we know that the order in which creation supposedly happened in Genesis is literally impossible and violates the laws of physics.
@GodSpeed63 I am sorry facts offend you. Sorry but your primary assertion that it is the word of god is based on no evidence.

The bible is not history. Particularly Genesis. That is just a fact.

The claims have been disproven as not only false but literally impossible. And your only response to that is the same as "A wizard did it."

Not even biblical scholars take the position you are. Most people who take such a literal stance have barely even read their bibles and just pick and choose the bits they like.

You have to know you are wrong when even experts in the field of biblical studies don't even take people like you seriously and haven't for probably 100 years at this point.
GodSpeed63 · 61-69, M
@PicturesOfABetterTomorrow [quote]I am sorry facts offend you.[/quote]

You don't have any to offend me with.
@GodSpeed63 Turn on your stove and touch the burner. After all, apparently thermodynamics is now a myth.
newjaninev2 · 56-60, F
In the beginning of what?
MoonMoon · F
proof it that its the word of god and not the rumblings of some lunatic...

note that this isnt a proof for god or anything.. i am just questioning the legitimacy of the source
hippyjoe1955 · 61-69, M
@MoonMoon So why is your mind so closed? Not a scientist? I was doing science when I came to doubt what I had been taught in University and High School. I gained new insights that debunked the 'accepted science'. Sy Garte who is a much greater scientist than I will ever be said the same thing. He grew up atheist and due to his scientific inquiry realized that what he had learned before was completely inconsistent with what he came to know through his own study. To paraphrase his realization "as a biochemist he came to realize the chemicals do not evolve". My friend does medical research in the local university. She too came to realize that nothing she had been taught fit what she observed. She said that her research has become much more productive now that she has given up the idea that humans evolved and accepts the idea the humans were designed.
GodSpeed63 · 61-69, M
@MoonMoon [quote] thats exactly my point.. you are lied to by other people who told you that book is the word of a god... while it is not... it was written by men[/quote]

Not according to the Word of God. I go by what God says Himself and His Word. His Spirit lives within me since I became born again.
DocSavage · M
@GodSpeed63
Born again , and still didn’t get it right.
That’s why we need to keep abortion legal.
Torsten · 36-40, M
I am not going to ridicule or mock your beliefs as you said but You are incorrect on the word of god being the only recorded document of early mans history.
I am not going to go into a long argument over it though because it wont go anywhere. I have my beliefs and you have yours and I will be respectful of yours.
I think people on this site get defensive and pointless arguments happen because everyone wants to be right and show no respect to others beliefs and faith, maybe something to think about
Torsten · 36-40, M
@Ferise1 how so?
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ServantOfTheGoddess · 61-69, M
Here you go:

Charles Darwin, [i]On The Origin of Species[/i]

http://darwin-online.org.uk/content/frameset?itemID=F387&viewtype=text&pageseq=1

Followed by many other studies accumulating more evidence and fine-tuning the explanation, but this would be the one to begin with.
DocSavage · M
@newjaninev2
The fairytale. “Once upon a time …”
DocSavage · M
GodSpeed63 · 61-69, M
@DocSavage You lost again, Doc. As usual, you have nothing.
Talk about early man's history, I wrote about the Nephilim this morning. Ha

How heavy was Goliath's spear?

The description found in the Bible in I Samuel 17:7 "His spear shaft was like a weaver's rod, and its iron point weighed six hundred shekels." Six hundred shekels come out to be15 lbs.
Brother, A-MEN!!!
It's really not necessary to try and prove that your religion/spirituality is correct and true and right. Christians have been doing this since the beginning of the religion. All that matters is it works for you, resonates deep inside you. It's something deeply personal.
GodSpeed63 · 61-69, M
@robingoodfellow [quote]It's really not necessary to try and prove that your religion/spirituality is correct and true and right. Christians have been doing this since the beginning of the religion. All that matters is it works for you, resonates deep inside you. It's something deeply personal.[/quote]

First of all, I'm not religious. Second, Christianity is not a religion, it's true life. Third, it is necessary to challenge those who claim the Word of God is a myth and unreliable to let them see that they have no support for their claim at all. Jesus told us to go into all the world and proclaim the Gospel and make disciples of all nations. I'd say that's not personal, would you?
@GodSpeed63 Christianity is true life to you. And millions of Christians the world over. Because it speaks to you. And to them. It's great that it moves you so much and inspired you.
But other people on this planet are moved and inspired in different ways. You can't prove to them what you believe is real anymore than they can prove to you that it's not. Spirituality and faith is heartfelt, not provable fact.
DocSavage · M
@GodSpeed63 [quote] it is necessary to challenge those who claim the Word of God is a myth and unreliable [/quote]

You’re no challenge to anyone
DocSavage · M
It doesn’t count. Sworn testimony has to be on a bible, there weren’t any at that time, so it doesn’t count.
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GodSpeed63 · 61-69, M
@DocSavage @Ferise1 [quote]truth[/quote]

Lie. There is no truth in either one of guys. You guys have nothing as usual. You're just wasting time with your worthless babbling.
DocSavage · M
[@GodSpeed63

[b]PROVE IT[/b]
Entwistle · 56-60, M
In the beginning of what?
ElRengo · 70-79, M
@Entwistle
"In the beginning of what?"
In the beginning of SW of course
Human1000 · M
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MasterLee · 56-60, M
@GodSpeed63 we don't really have arguments. You present wild delusional claims and we are baffled by your bullshit.
newjaninev2 · 56-60, F
@GodSpeed63 What argument. You made a completely unsupported claim that you are now unable to defend.

Where’s the argument?

 
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